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I agree, it will work OK...but if you want it to be puuuuurrrrrrfect..go with clean water everytime. It does'nt make sense to have the best lights, nutes, strains and techniques and then feed them tap water that most times contain high levels of chlorine, excess minerals harmful to plants and fluoride, etc. Invest the few hundred bucks in a good R.O. water filter it is literally one of the best possible things you can buy for your grow.
PS - your plants look great! :thumbsup:
I've always had a sick fascination with people that get so caught up on their own growing techniques and situations that they refuse to consider other methods might actually be as good or superior, depending on the individual grower's situation. Suddenly the ego gets kicked into high gear and "this worked for me" suddenly turns into "I'm right and you're wrong" or at least "my system is optimal and yours, while it will work, isn't nearly as good".Quote:
Originally Posted by FreeDaHerb
I've got grow going now with a strain that loves a LOT of food. It thrives at a TDS almost 30% higher than most other growers use. I've used distilled water for all my grows and yet every single time I've run this strain, it ends up showing cal-mag deficiency starting around day 10 of 12/12. By the time it's finally ready to harvest, the plant looks like a two week old corpse.
This time around I'm taking Stinky's advice and using tap water (mine runs ~180ppm right out of the faucet). I keep a bucket of water sitting under the sink to allow the chlorine to evaporate and I've been using that to top of my reservoir. I'll let you know in about 3 weeks if the tap water makes any difference.
But, no, distilled water doesn't always make for a "puuuuurrrrrrfect" grow.
just to be clear, icelandic tap water is probably the cleanest water you can get :thumbsup: We even have a "joke" about it, where some icelanders sent some water samples out of the country to get it diagnosed, and the reply they got was "Send us your real water, not distilled water!" :D
Also my brain doesn't understand those big plant growing words too well xD But thank you all for your advices!! :jointsmile:
"Wobster, the issue being asked about is pH, not TDS/PPM. I was aware of this but I don't think you were.
Well apparently you weren't aware that it DOES matter to monitor your PH. Sit down and shush until you can learn to spread good advice."
To Wobster, sorry for the ding, however it just looked at that moment that you were off topic. My apologies.
To daihashie, I was saying don't fight pH. Check if you want, it's good that people do, but I've grown some killer plants without checking either pH or ppm, so perhaps I should have said that to be clear and yes, I guess I'm a little biased. The words "don't fight the pH" shouldn't be confused with "don't check the pH." Not the same. I was surprised by the response my words received in this thread. I find it hard to believe that lowering ppm with aid in solving a problem. Wobster didn't state how long ppm should have been lowered, so it was confusing. Stinkattic has it right by simply saying she doesn't see anything wrong with the plants. This is what I meant when I said don't fight the pH. If you have the time to keep a 6.0 pH and it works for you, by all means, do it. It's funny I get told to shush when Stinkyattic comes along and contradicts those who are telling me to be quiet. So the pH stabilizes at 6.5? Why insist pH must be elsewhere when plants look good? I have grown six foot plants without checking a thing. I'd show you pictures if I had a digital camera. The only real problem we face is being unable to ask plants what they prefer. About molasses, doesn't that work only with bacteria in soil? There won't be much bacteria in hydro, right?
Molasses will work in hydro too, but personally, unless I were COMFORTABLE running a TRUE hydro-organic regimen with healthy reservoir flora (beneficial microorganisms), I would stick to something like Sweet.
6.5 is a perfectly fine pH for coco and there's no need to fret over it if it stays there.
This piece of advice is just bad practice. Especially to a person who is trying to troubleshoot a problem. It just so happens that this person didn't actually have a problem; however if they did and you told them don't fight the PH then you would've possibly sent them down the wrong path or worse... indirectly been the cause of screwing up their crop.Quote:
Originally Posted by polishpollack
There is no room for bias when giving advice. There is SOLID growing practices and then there is what we all do in our own grows based on our personal experiences.
If it's a personal experience then express it as such. Don't say something like that so nonchalantly like that is the best way to work with plants.
As I said; it was bad advice.
Well you said flat out in another thread that lowering it will kill a plant. Fact is that it will not kill a plant. Plants maintain their own stores of nutrients and can go a little while with water that has 0ppm.Quote:
The words "don't fight the pH" shouldn't be confused with "don't check the pH." Not the same. I was surprised by the response my words received in this thread. I find it hard to believe that lowering ppm with aid in solving a problem. Wobster didn't state how long ppm should have been lowered, so it was confusing.
This was another situation where you tried to state your personal opinion as irrefutable fact.
It was just bad advice.
Well first off I highly respect Stinkyattic; however what she says does not dictate whether I agree with her or not. She has worlds of experience over me but I am not dumb by any means and if I have my own thoughts as to what the issue may be then I will state it.Quote:
Stinkattic has it right by simply saying she doesn't see anything wrong with the plants. This is what I meant when I said don't fight the pH. If you have the time to keep a 6.0 pH and it works for you, by all means, do it. It's funny I get told to shush when Stinkyattic comes along and contradicts those who are telling me to be quiet.
And just 'works for you' may not be necessarily ideal for the plant. The key is to learn how to grow the correct way and not learn how to grow through a chain of decisions that are just convenient for you ie: growing at 6.0 ph when your correct ph range is between 5.3-5.8 (if in hydro.. this is just an example and has no relevance to the thread.)
Please show me where Stinkyattic contradicted me or anyone in this thread? Everyone that posted in this thread put up information that was relevant or supplementary information to what someone else said.
Sorry but don't pat yourself on the back just because you felt Stinky took up your side. I don't see it that way and even if she did it wouldn't change my thoughts:
Bad advice!
Just because something looks good doesn't mean that it is right, or that it's growing in optimal condition. If you know what you're looking for then a plant actually will tell you what it likes and doesn't like.Quote:
So the pH stabilizes at 6.5? Why insist pH must be elsewhere when plants look good? I have grown six foot plants without checking a thing. I'd show you pictures if I had a digital camera. The only real problem we face is being unable to ask plants what they prefer. About molasses, doesn't that work only with bacteria in soil? There won't be much bacteria in hydro, right?
Molasses is usable in hydro grows; however molasses has been known to clog the parts used in a hydro grow; therefore it's recommended people use Sweet, Boost or some other carb supplement instead of molasses.
I am really not trying to bust your ass or be mean. Just be careful about the advice you are handing out.
oh god.. Here let me disect this post. I really don't want to get into an argument over this so I will point out why what you did was wrong.
No worries polishpollack. I think some of the arguements arise from the way we translate things. We come from different corners of the world and use different terminology that can cause confusion. I think the reason ur getting pulled over a lot of the things you say is because you seem to state them as fact rather than opinion. Peace to all... we all got the same love afterall :hippy:
This is getting ridiculous. Why are we still arguing about 'you said this, i said that'?
Shoo shoo, everyone get moving along and go grow something.