Barack Obama's Involvement with ACORN

McCain at ACORN conference

But wait, did you know that even if the person that is collecting the voter registration REALIZES that it is a fraudulent voter registration application, he HAS to submit it anyways, because it is illegal for anyone but an appointed election supervisor to throw them out? But you guys wouldn't do any research that would make it seem like they were actually doing their jobs, would you? Nah, it's much easier to just put out a few press releases that make it seem like they're a bad organization and such. Did you know that in Nevada, ACORN actually went 1 step further in their efforts to combat bad registrations, that they attached a cover sheet to each registration that they thought was invalid, and the Nevada people that actually process the registrations into the systems (the people that ARE allowed to throw them out) just threw out the cover sheet? But wait.....that makes it seem like they were set up? What happens when you take a bad check to the bank? they tell you to cash it and find out, even if you asked them if it was bad, and even if they know it is a bad check, they can't tell. But when they find out it's a bad check, the bank doesn't get in trouble, the person who GAVE it to them does.

But really, McCain supports them just as much as Barack, which makes sense, since they would give them both access to droves of poor voters, which there are seemingly more and more of everyday in this bush economy.

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Originally Posted by AspenGrow

But wait, did you know that even if the person that is collecting the voter registration REALIZES that it is a fraudulent voter registration application, he HAS to submit it anyways, because it is illegal for anyone but an appointed election supervisor to throw them out?

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Here where I live in my county, ACORN was found to have registered 4000 DEAD PEOPLE.

Their job is to take valid voters registrations.. not to make up fake voters, advocate underage people to register to vote or have an individual community organizer part of their organization register a person 126 times (yes, happened here in my city).

Perhaps you're the one that needs to take some time out to find out exactly what is going on.

Illegal to throw out voter registrations.. yes it is... illegal to refrain from participating in registering underage voters and the deceased.. no it's not. They are perfectly entitled to respect the law :thumbsup:

Now if the same guy got registered 3-4 times by 3 to 4 different people then I can understand how that might of happened.. but over 100 times by the the same person. Something is fishy there :wtf:

ask me for a link to source my claims and I'll provide one. My internet at home is poor and it takes a long time to load any pages at the moment; so I'm choosing to refrain from doing any unnecessary web searches.

My point in the matter is this, daihashi:

If you're not ALLOWED to throw away bad voter registrations, how is it your fault that they get submitted?

I mean......if you're found to have violated the voter registration act, doesn't that carry some pretty salty penalties?

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Here's those penalties, as copied from the 1993 Voter Registration Act.

SEC. 12. CRIMINAL PENALTIES.
A person, including an election official, who in any election for Federal office--
(1) knowingly and willfully intimidates, threatens, or coerces, or attempts to
intimidate, threaten, or coerce, any person for--
(A) registering to vote, or voting, or attempting to register or vote;
(B) urging or aiding any person to register to vote, to vote, or to attempt to
register or vote; or
(C) exercising any right under this Act; o
(2) knowingly and willfully deprives, defrauds, or attempts to deprive or defraud
the residents of a State of a fair and impartially conducted election process, by--
(A) the procurement or submission of voter registration applications that are
known by the person to be materially false, fictitious, or fraudulent under the laws of the
State in which the election is held; or
(B) the procurement, casting, or tabulation of ballots that are known by the
person to be materially false, fictitious, or fraudulent under the laws of the State in which
the election is held, shall be fined in accordance with title 18, United States Code (which
fines shall be paid into the general fund of the Treasury, miscellaneous receipts (pursuant
to section 3302 of title 31, United States Code), notwithstanding any other law), or
imprisoned not more than 5 years, or both.

Title 18 says:

I cannot find? I hope it's some exorbitant fine, though.

for those that object to 'guilt by association', if you think those associations
are no big deal, how come you're not offended by his lieing about those
associations? isn't that a big deal? doesn't it bother you that, if he were just
another guy applying for a government job, he wouldn't pass the security
clearance? shouldn't the man we elect to the most powerful job in the free
world have some integrity? or is being a pretty speaker enough?

Obama is a gifted speaker, a rousing orator promising to save you from the big
bad Bush! the problem is, it hasn't been Bush that's been the biggest problem
these last 8 years. and i'm not saying that in defense of Bush, i don't like him
either.

the fact is, it's the Democrats who are responsible for this financial crisis that
we're all living through right now, with Dodd and Frank leading the way.
and considering that, in just 3 years, Obama has taken more money from Fannie
and Freddie than every other politician except Dodd who's been taking money
from Fannie and Freddie for 20 years, and, considering that 2 of his top advisors
were top executives at Fannie and Freddie, well, i just wonder what we don't
know.

if Obama gets elected, we are in big trouble! he's proven himself to be a liar!

I don't understand how 6 years of republican majority leading us into this crisis = democratic party fail. Please explain how the republicans tried to avoid this problem while they were in the majority, and then maybe I'll listen to the whole "BUT IT'S THOSE DAMN LIBERAL'S FAULT!!!"

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Originally Posted by AspenGrow

I don't understand how 6 years of republican majority leading us into this crisis = democratic party fail. Please explain how the republicans tried to avoid this problem while they were in the majority, and then maybe I'll listen to the whole "BUT IT'S THOSE DAMN LIBERAL'S FAULT!!!"

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it's a fact that in 2001 Bush tried to introduce legislation to impose stiffer
regulations on Fannie and Freddie. it's also a fact that it was the house
Democrats that killed that bill and several others put forth by republicans,
with John McCain among them.

haven't you seen any of the clips showing Barney Frank and several other
Democrats talking about how healthy Fannie and Freddie were?

the Democrats have spent the last 8 years dedicated to making Bush look
bad, even if it meant America would suffer. they were willing to do whatever
it took to regain power.

now it appears they're even willing to steal the election!

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Originally Posted by AspenGrow

My point in the matter is this, daihashi:

If you're not ALLOWED to throw away bad voter registrations, how is it your fault that they get submitted?

I mean......if you're found to have violated the voter registration act, doesn't that carry some pretty salty penalties?

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You seem to have missed the point of my previous post. Yes if some guy got registered multiple times by multiple people.. unknowningly then yes; that's fine. No fault to those people or the organization.

But when individuals are being registered over 100 times.. when the deceased are being registered to vote, when the Dallas Cowboys are being registered to vote in Nevada for some really unknown even to the Dallas Cowboys.. then yes; there is a problem.

They cannot throw away voters registration; but they can avoid doing something illegal, immoral and wrong as described above. The above is what everyone is talking about.

Your point still doesn't prove the organizations innocence or even their naiveity. It seems they are going out of their way to register anyone who will even talk to them; and if that person will allow it.. register them well over 100 times.

The more I hear and read about it though, they were actually giving out cigarettes or dollars (which is illegal in and of itself) to get people to register to vote. I heard on the radio this morning, one gentleman, from Nevada, who said he registered 73 times because each time, he got a dollar, and that he didn't think it was wrong, because he was getting paid. I still feel that there was no massive conspiracy to try and register all these people, just a bunch of idiots who were trying to make a quick buck (both on the registree and the registrant side) that got too greedy, and now it's where it is.

I still don't understand how even though the republicans had a majority it was the democrats fault?

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Originally Posted by AspenGrow

The more I hear and read about it though, they were actually giving out cigarettes or dollars (which is illegal in and of itself) to get people to register to vote. I heard on the radio this morning, one gentleman, from Nevada, who said he registered 73 times because each time, he got a dollar, and that he didn't think it was wrong, because he was getting paid. I still feel that there was no massive conspiracy to try and register all these people, just a bunch of idiots who were trying to make a quick buck (both on the registree and the registrant side) that got too greedy, and now it's where it is.

I still don't understand how even though the republicans had a majority it was the democrats fault?

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you ever heard the word 'Filibuster'?

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Originally Posted by AspenGrow

The more I hear and read about it though, they were actually giving out cigarettes or dollars (which is illegal in and of itself) to get people to register to vote. I heard on the radio this morning, one gentleman, from Nevada, who said he registered 73 times because each time, he got a dollar, and that he didn't think it was wrong, because he was getting paid. I still feel that there was no massive conspiracy to try and register all these people, just a bunch of idiots who were trying to make a quick buck (both on the registree and the registrant side) that got too greedy, and now it's where it is.

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Earlier you posted the voters registration act.. it says that coercion is not allowed.

Giving someone money and cigarrettes is coercion. Granted I would not register if someone told me they would give me money; but that's me. At the same time I cannot say I fault the individual to the same degree that I fault Acorn. The organization should not be using these tactics in the first place.

When a cigarette vendor comes into a bar and says they'l give you free stuff for filling out a survey... I can't say that I blame them and it's human nature to see many people flock to these vendors. Free... cigarettes..

The organization ACORN are manipulating people by the very nature of humans themselves. This is not right and furthermore is illegal.

So now we've done a 180; before you were defending ACORN and now, at least to some degree, agree with the manipulative, corrupt and illegal methods they are using to register voters.

I'm glad that you were able to see the situation for what it is finally; if even on only a small level.

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