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Doobee, Those things are for a differant type of grow, entirely. They are more for vegtables, and other smaller plants. I saw you got some Haze, strain seeds, usualy the Haze strains are sativas, meening in a grow , they will not do well in those boxes your talking about. the hight alone is to much, sativas grow long and stingy in comparison to an indica strain. But even if you do grow, Indicas, your space is severly limited, in those grow boxes.
With the NM regulations, the best way to grow is 4 flowering large plants, meening a big 600 or 1000W light is needed, with that said, you need alot of room. Height especialy, at the smallest a 4x4x6high grow tent.
Their are people such as the Urban grower, and the guys at green house seeds, who have had success in yeilding 2 lbs per light but even more so, over 1lb per plant, using this method. The time is longer such as harvest every, 4-6 months, but the yeild is greater. In a SOG (sea of green) method you produce more and harvest about 2 times a week, but for the NM rules and regs, a SOG system is not possible (4 flowering, and 3 vegging).
Their for the larger plant system is the way to go. With that said for indicas, your hight will be no more than 5 feet max per plant, but if you go Sativas, you height could be managed in a 6 foot room, anything less and you are going to have problems with height and heat.
Sativas hight can max out to a very larg plant upto 20 feet, if you let it. when you put a sativa to flower leaving it smaller is better cause you know you can manage it, when it gets big you have to bend and fight heat more. All this stress is bad casing problems , from hermi to desises.

They are very cool, though they control the ph too, very cool. But to tell you the truth all that stuff is easly lerned. PH and Nutes can all be perchased in a measure and pour type of method. for the begainer, learning things like PNK or any kinda nutrient stuff, is just best in buying a measure and use type of nutrient. their are many types, Such as the "flora" or "Maxi", which you give you the option, of 2 differant bottels or bags, of nutrient, one for veg stage and one for bloom/flower stage.
I recommend starting with those, all you do is balance your filtered, measured water, and mix in the nutrient, wether it is powder or liquid. After you have a successfull grow you can spend time in learning the nutrients.
And for balancing nutrient you buy a ph test kit, for 10 dollars at AHL, they have many differant ones, I like the little bottle one with solution my self, you drop I think 3 drops into your specimin cup and look for the color and match it to the color on the indicator. Sounds confusing but when you get a ph test kit, you will see what I meen.
building a grow room is easy if you are gonna spen 2000 on one of those nice laberator type grow boxes, you would be better off spending that cash on a small grow tent or even better converting a 4x6xx8 room into a grow room, it could be 4x4x6 I just think having the extra 2 feet of hight has a big deal, especilay with those sativa strains.

So just to recap, those grow boxes are usualy a max hight of 4 feet, and can be some what wide, they are not the grow option to go for NM medical, your yeild will be small, harvest will be about every 3 months, and keeping a mother plant is also hard when growing like this, this meens for the NM type of grow, either clones or fem seeds would be the best way to go.

You can stager your plants so you harvest every month or however you like, but the yeild will be much less, as if harvesting more on the later 4-6 month larger plant option. YOu can also stager these palnts as well so you can harvest every month or month and a half, but you yeild will be much greater, in the 1 lb or more per plant. So you see for our regulations in NM medical program the larger plant system will work better.

Box I think your talking about
HYDROPONICS 32 PLANT FLOWERING GROW BOX CHAMBER SYSTEM - eBay (item 360108038645 end time Apr-15-09 17:00:38 PDT)

grow tent

HYDROPONICS GROW TENT 4x4x6.5 FT GROW BOX CABINET - eBay (item 250392103021 end time Mar-21-09 13:08:34 PDT)

Hydro set up for 4

DripBucket4.2 Hydro System 4 Plant + Control Bucket!! - eBay (item 370047780303 end time Mar-26-09 20:01:16 PDT)

600W light/w digital ballest and cool system

600 watt MH HPS Lumatek Grow Light Air Cooled Kit - eBay (item 360140614187 end time Mar-22-09 20:59:04 PDT)

remeber in buying a light sytem that a 220V is better than a 120V it is cheeper to run, much cheeper, some are inter changable, but most are not, so make sure to get the 220V over the 120V. you can get all of this stuff at AHL as well, but prices on Ebay are the best. also places like better grow hydro or hydro warewarhouse they sypply all the places in town so you wana get something that can be replaces or fixed in a pinch, buy going to the store in town

one more thing I see nothing in those grow lab type boxes to regulate temperature, meening they have no air conditioning they have no heaters, they might have outlets or controllers for these but they do not have them in the unit. Those things are more for dorm room type setups, where space is limited. envermental contorls can be perchased for small rooms too, instead of paying 1000 dollars for timers and controller computers you can go with the much cheaper unit type contollers. in total you will save alot more than half I think.

Doobee I cant set up a room for you but if you take pics or ask questions I can give you the answers you need. Wether its questions to ask people at lowes or qestions to ask the AHL guys, or questions on building or ordering or mixing and growing.

I am still convinced that hydroponics is the best way to grow.:thumbsup:

All I've read and been told is hydro produces a more potent strain and the harvest time is shorter.
The plants yield more bud and THC also.
The roots are misted and no rot problems, etc.

I'm not all giddy up'd to pay $2,000 plus for a well made set-up but there is a way to get 'er done for alot less.

The LED lights are a must in my opinion.
More expensive....... yes.
But the savings in electrical bills each month will have paid for the LEDs in months.
The so very little heat from an LED is plus and then some.

Alot easier to maintain ambient temperatures when not combating extreme heat from the high intensity lights.

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one more thing I see nothing in those grow lab type boxes to regulate temperature, meening they have no air conditioning they have no heaters, they might have outlets or controllers for these but they do not have them in the unit. Those things are more for dorm room type setups, where space is limited. envermental contorls can be perchased for small rooms too, instead of paying 1000 dollars for timers and controller computers you can go with the much cheaper unit type contollers. in total you will save alot more than half I think.

Doobee I cant set up a room for you but if you take pics or ask questions I can give you the answers you need. Wether its questions to ask people at lowes or qestions to ask the AHL guys, or questions on building or ordering or mixing and growing.

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I think that the future is in LED's for grow, but is still off in bud production/ yeild. but if your set in those boxes, you are set. I know people that use em and are happy with what they have comming out of them. I only know of one person using the LEDs and hes usuing the bigest UFO type, and I do notice a differance in yeild (less yeild), but he also says that the electricity bill is almost normal, as in not much more than what he pays regulaly when the box is off. The people I know that use these boxes all share clones, and usualy keep one mother, but only for a year or so, and their mothers are all in soil. Always keep your mother in soil, after a year of hydro even the best flushed system can get root, and algee problems. But I have also seen mothers in a hydro unit. Also Indicas are what you wana grow in their, which is probly what you are going for anyway, I am an Indica guy my self, the sativas give me a racing heart kinda thing sometimes thats not to cool.

The LEDs have the best technology for spectrum correct light and thus will offer the best for any plant grow.

So far as your friend and the yield?
Should the grow have been less in production, then the factors are many and just what was off is up to more than faulting the lights alone.

My preference is sativa and the more so the better.:thumbsup:

Indicta makes me so lazy, it takes me an hour at least to get up for a drink of water.
With sativa, I can easily regulate many areas of its effects.
That is, I may be getting hungry...munchies...and one or two small hits will take away the hunger for a few more hours.
If I get sleepy then all I have to do is take another hit or two an I'm awake for a few more hours.
Good high grade sativa removes my joint/body aches all the while giving me more energy and motovation.

BTW.....

You asked about my having skin cancer and how to cure with cannabis and all....
How is you've never heard of Rick Simpson for all the warrior work done in the years you have is wild.

Cure Cancer with Hemp Oil - Phoenix Tears

THC cures cancer and brain tumors and a host of other deadly illnesses as you likely know.
I have basal cell carcinoma and had surgeries to try and remove the cancer when it shows up.
Now?
Now I can simply and easily rub a dab of THC oil/concentrate on the cancer spot(s) and place a bandaid over it to keep from rubbing off and re-apply a few times in the course of a week and in 3 to 4 days...the cancer is GONE.

GONE...as is gone...no trace or even blemish.:jointsmile:


If ANYONE here has cancer then please let me know so you too can be rid of the cancer.

No mess and no fuss.

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I think that the future is in LED's for grow, but is still off in bud production/ yeild. but if your set in those boxes, you are set. I know people that use em and are happy with what they have comming out of them. I only know of one person using the LEDs and hes usuing the bigest UFO type, and I do notice a differance in yeild (less yeild), but he also says that the electricity bill is almost normal, as in not much more than what he pays regulaly when the box is off. The people I know that use these boxes all share clones, and usualy keep one mother, but only for a year or so, and their mothers are all in soil. Always keep your mother in soil, after a year of hydro even the best flushed system can get root, and algee problems. But I have also seen mothers in a hydro unit. Also Indicas are what you wana grow in their, which is probly what you are going for anyway, I am an Indica guy my self, the sativas give me a racing heart kinda thing sometimes thats not to cool.

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Rick Simpson? the name does sound familure but I dont think I have heard of him.

I did not know of cannabis being a cure, I have heard of helping by making the way of life much more comfortable, which in itself can be a cure. This is the first I have heard of a cure from cannabis, but like I said it does not supprise me, their is so much we dont know about this plant. It is amazing the things you learn every day, I will definitly be asking and telling pepole about this. I dont have much experiance with cancer (luckely) but I know even for kemo that cannabis helps a great deal both in fighting the bad effects of kemo, and helping with lving a bit more normal of a life. I hope you have a good first grow, you realy might wana start flower when your plants are only a foot or less. I wouldnt even let em get bigger than 6 inches, because when they flower there gonna finish big. For Sativas I like the NYC deisle it was my fav last year, also a strain called bluegass which I only tried once and that 1/8 went very quick (it was at the 2004 CUP). Bluegass is blubery X NYC Desile, very mix of sativa and indica, but indica is sstill alot in the blue gas.
best of luck hope you feel well, again if you got questions, let em fly if I cant answer em, their are so many people here who specialize in hydro only. Me I wana try hydro while brewing my own tea or nutes. I dont have experiance with this, but have heard very promissing things about growing with truly organic nutrients in a hydro setup. I cant wait to get my room going, gotta get that medical card though, I already know my first crop, gonna be the cheese, and probbly white rhino, and if I feel like getting another strain in their definitly bubblegum. I think 2 of each strain will do though, I just dont wana ask for seeds from a freind have him ask hey how is the bubble gum and I didnt even get it started, so I just might go with the 2 of each strain instead f 4 differant ones or even 3 differant ones.

Good read, interesting thread, nice to see you being so helpful MS, a joy to see your patience and kindness to spread the skill! rep 2 U!

West Coast Green Leaf: is a paper on the west coast of Calif. that speaks of some cancer cures with THC. The bottom line was; Not enough THC=no response to cancer. Too much: Same result--either way it was a very moderate amount that cured it. Mostly it was brain cancer and did have an effect on Altzheimers. So, when in doubt--more THC! When they study it, it will be tincture under the tongue doseage, surely!! :thumbsup:
:hippy:

Rick Simpson is a healer not a dealer and no relationship to Homer or Bart.:smokin:

Cure Cancer with Hemp Oil - Phoenix Tears

Look up "The Rick Simpson Story" and there will be 7 short videos about Rick and the great costs he paid many times over for his undying efforts to help cure cancer patients (many who were in their final throws of death) and others.
Thanks to Rick, Canada is now contracting with a US pharmaceutical company to grow cannabis over seas to then make THC oil concentrate, to then sell to their citizens with cancer.

My earnest guess is the US will follow suit and will have the THC oil legalized by prescription within the next three to five years....max.
WHY?
Because the cure for cancer is getting out and THE CURE is CANNABIS/HEMP OIL.
Already by now there are patients who have been cured of their deadly cancer and they talk.
I am one of those patients now and I talk with alot of heart, tenacity and passionate arrogance.

Indeed, I (and we) will take on those to be at the UNM Cancer Research Center.....very soon.:thumbsup:
I will set up a time to speak with the key doctor(s) at the center and share the before and after photos of my own success with curing basal cell carcinoma, along with the facts remaining from Rick and a host of other sources.
Then, expecting a less than welcome and openly dishonest discourse, I will instigate a media confrontation.
The three main media outlets...channel 4, 7 and 13 will be contacted and notified there will be a news worthy confrontation at the UNM Cancer Research Center.
With media in tow, go on camera and confront the doctor or doctors who scurry out to save face...or not.
They will be offered a public challenge for all to see.
We get a cancer patient willing to be cured and the Cancer Center can document the progress.
Progress that takes days, not years, and one that cures.
Allow the controversy to run its course all the while some one got cured of their cancer.
I sincerely as ever have no doubt that many will tune in and many will seek more about the hemp oil and its short but proven history to be a cure for cancer.
The sweet victory in doing this is, it will be a win/win no matter if the doctors take part in a controlled test or not.
If they do...success will be seen.
If they do not...then the success will be seen without them and they in turn will be seen as the closed minded doctors they are.
Bottom line the public in the Albuquerque and greater New Mexico area will learn about cannabis and the THC oil that cures.
Hopefully this action will grow legs with the national media and will take off accordingly.
May not but to whatever extent it does will be enough to gain much in the concerted efforts to legalize cannabis.

To be a warrior on the cannabis legalize front, one sincerely needs to be informed and up to date.
This is intended to say we all have a duty as it were to be well informed with the facts about cannabis as they relate to all in many a diverse ways.

Cancer, brain tumors, MS, depression, anxiety, Parkinson's as but a few and the list goes on, within limits, but none the less many cures are well documented.

Chemo kills 60% plus of the cancer patients who go that route and less than 10% benefit.
Further more, cancer patients who go thru chemo therapy have greatly reduced their life span where other wise without chemo they'd live longer regardless.

My fun will be taking on the crappy American Cancer Society!

These assholes know damn good and well cannabis oil is curing cancer patients and they lie boldly saying there's just too much research needed for it to be promising and they are there to help patients find a cure and not false hopes.
My mother dies of breast cancer when I was 9 years old in 1960.
The ACS has not improved the life of cancer patients since then and make no bones about it...they don't want to.:wtf:
Too much money in placating a decease that reaps fortunes year after decade after one life then another and another.

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Rick Simpson? the name does sound familure but I dont think I have heard of him.

I did not know of cannabis being a cure, I have heard of helping by making the way of life much more comfortable, which in itself can be a cure. This is the first I have heard of a cure from cannabis, but like I said it does not supprise me, their is so much we dont know about this plant. It is amazing the things you learn every day, I will definitly be asking and telling pepole about this. I dont have much experiance with cancer (luckely) but I know even for kemo that cannabis helps a great deal both in fighting the bad effects of kemo, and helping with lving a bit more normal of a life. I hope you have a good first grow, you realy might wana start flower when your plants are only a foot or less. I wouldnt even let em get bigger than 6 inches, because when they flower there gonna finish big. For Sativas I like the NYC deisle it was my fav last year, also a strain called bluegass which I only tried once and that 1/8 went very quick (it was at the 2004 CUP). Bluegass is blubery X NYC Desile, very mix of sativa and indica, but indica is sstill alot in the blue gas.
best of luck hope you feel well, again if you got questions, let em fly if I cant answer em, their are so many people here who specialize in hydro only. Me I wana try hydro while brewing my own tea or nutes. I dont have experiance with this, but have heard very promissing things about growing with truly organic nutrients in a hydro setup. I cant wait to get my room going, gotta get that medical card though, I already know my first crop, gonna be the cheese, and probbly white rhino, and if I feel like getting another strain in their definitly bubblegum. I think 2 of each strain will do though, I just dont wana ask for seeds from a freind have him ask hey how is the bubble gum and I didnt even get it started, so I just might go with the 2 of each strain instead f 4 differant ones or even 3 differant ones.

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I am skeptical about he US going in with anyone to get a cure out of Cannabis, thier has been a cure for skin cancer and some say all cancers for close to 10 years now, and still we have no idea that it exzists, the same for HIV. Their is a working cure however it is not public and sofar only cured 2 people that I know of, and thier story is not being heard. I know it had something to do with a bone marrow transplant that made it public, but before that it was in a chmical form of cure that I heard about.


Good luck and godspeed you are definitly putting in your work as a cannabis warrior. When the fact is over 90% are cured from cannabis oil they can not deny the truth, and if they do if well documented the truth will be in everyones face, and that is undenyable.