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The experiance argument is a moot point now. I'll let my friend Jon explain.
YouTube - The Daily Show 9/3/08 - Jon Stewart Puts Newt Gingrich on the Hot Seat
Give up now Mcsame and ApPalin :stoned:
One more thing to add: O'Reily is an asshole
YouTube - Jon Stewart on The O'Reilly Factor
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Originally Posted by Reefer Rogue
I guess?
It seems really funny that the democrats were so stupid the first 5 days she was out in crying out loud how "she has no experience etc...." and now they realize, "Oh, fuck me!! We better leave that alone, she has more experience than Obama! Fuck!!!!"
And now it's come down to just flat out trying to smear her, as is the case whenever the liberal left cannot compete in the arena of ideas, which is often.:D
As for the video, I love Newt, and John. They are both sharp as tacks, and both are very interesting to listen to. (Just happens to be one is right all the time and funny, and the other is a clown and good for a laugh, I think he's the only clown I know named John.)
So I guess the point is we are done trying to debate Palin's experience/accomplishment/record, since it makes Obama look like a rank amateur. (Still waiting for Obama supporters to provide a list of accomplishments/experience/record. STILL!)
I think that's funnier than the video. Now what, is it going to be "she wasn't properly vetted".
Anyone got a fork?
I think the democrats are done, probably for at least 8 more years, maybe 16.
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Originally Posted by Reefer Rogue
Um...
Maybe you should start a whole new thread about how you want to make out with John Stewart?
This one is supposed to be about comparing and contrasting Palin's experience/accomplishments/record with Obama's. Now if only Obama had any to compare to hers.:D
I was almost ready to vote for McCain, until he picked Palin. My thoughts, when this occurred, are mirrored in the excellent articles by Sam Harris, which are in the following thread: http://boards.cannabis.com/politics/161676-palin-average-isn-t-good-enough.htmlQuote:
Originally Posted by 8182KSKUSH
Support Palin? I wouldn't even want to talk to her!
Nietzsche said that if you have not been hurt by religion, then you probably wouldn't understand the objections and disgust with it in the context of experience by those who have been . I think that he would say the same thing if were he alive today. Palin epitomizes the sheep mentality and dumbing down accomplished by superstitious, primitive thinking, suppression of intelligence and rational thinking that has been instilled in the hordes of believers - guaranteed to destroy everthing that is good.
It would be a huge understatement to say that the Founding Fathers would not not pleased with this state of affairs.
Why would they not be pleased? They said freedom of religion, not freedom from religion. Also I understand what you're saying but aside from her stance on Abortion and Creationism can you tell me what legislation she's passed that you can directly attribute to her influence from God and how was that legislation bad for the citizens of Alaska.Quote:
Originally Posted by Breukelen advocaat
She's allowed to be religious and she's allowed to say she talks to god, as a matter of fact many people do. While it sounds a bit crazy to me I do not judge these people because it is their religious belief, which is protected under freedom from religion.
Seperation of Church and state simply means Seperation of Church and State. Meaning do not let the Catholic Church control the government etc etc. aka don't become a theological government.
Freedom of religion, not freedom from religion.
Listen, when you see her in her church, which is like an insane cult, and you don't get nauseous, then there's nothing I can say to persuade you.Quote:
Originally Posted by daihashi
I could argue that the Founding Fathers were Deists, a very progressive philosophy for their time, and that Palin's crew would not be with them, but that's not going to convince anybody that does not know this already.
There wouldn't even have been a United States of America if the Founders had thought like her - and there might not be any in the future if the power is given to those of her ilk.
I believe in freedom from religion, as did Washington, Jefferson, and their colleagues. Palin's thinking is exactly the opposite. I'd suggest that you read the Sam Harris articles, if you havn't already. He's also written books and a number of other excellent articles about the danger of religion in politics and everyday life.
uhh, did you see her in church? I think we've only seen Obama's Trinity church :P.Quote:
Originally Posted by Breukelen advocaat
Whatever their belief, they did not force it onto others and believed people had the RIGHT to form their own beliefs seperate from the government. This is some of the freedom they fought for. But I doubt that will convince you since it should be apparent that our nation was formed under people's individual freedoms.Quote:
I could argue that the Founding Fathers were Deists, a very progressive philosophy for their time, and that Palin's crew would not be with them, but that's not going to convince anybody that does not know this already.
And the founding fathers believed in Freedom of Religion and Seperation of Church and state which is completely different from Freedom FROM religion. I doubt they would say that Sarah Palin does not have a right to run for office due to her religious beliefs.Quote:
There wouldn't even have been a United States of America if the Founders had thought like her - and there might not be any in the future if the power is given to those of her ilk.
I believe in freedom from religion, as did Washington, Jefferson, and their colleagues.
Show my credible evidence otherwise and I will retract my statement.
You did not address my question btw Breukelen
Here it is for you again if you missed it:
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Also I understand what you're saying but aside from her stance on Abortion and Creationism can you tell me what legislation she's passed that you can directly attribute to her influence from God and how was that legislation bad for the citizens of Alaska.
I'm not against everthing she did in her little world - it's her mentality. She is not sane.Quote:
Originally Posted by daihashi
I remember people objecting to JFK's Catholicism. He did everything he could to convince the voters that he did not intend to do the bidding of his religion. Palin is exactly the opposite - she believes that she's acting for God, Christianity must prevail, and that she is "chosen" by a supernatural being. This is not someone who should be the leader of the most powerful nation on earth.
by that account are you against anyone who says they talk to god? Are they insane? I'm sure you know but many people claim to form a personal relationship with God/Jesus. Personally this sounds weird to me but I don't think they are crazy. Most of what I hear from highly religious people sounds nuts to me, but I don't judge their sanity as a person outside of their religion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Breukelen advocaat