G is for gun: Texas in a class of its own

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Originally Posted by fishman3811

WOW if you guys feel the need to arm teachers then its time to evaluate your society.Having teachers packing heat is wrong on soo many levels its just a shame that you dont see it that way.

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What exactly is soo wrong about it?
A gun is a tool, same as a hammer. It is the user that is the problem, not the inanimate object.
And guns don't kill, bullets do, unless you get beat over the head with it.;)

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Originally Posted by McDanger

Hooray for Texas!!! Your students will be safer because of it. The teachers are not forced to carry, and the volunteers will be trained.
One little correction Daihashi, you do not have to apply to get a gun, you have to pass a background check only. You have a RIGHT to own as many guns as you wish. Guns in the hands of the law abiding are NEVER a bad thing. Guns stop far more death than they cause in this country. (sorry, but this is one of my hot buttons):D

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Guns stopping people being killed with guns ??????? mmmmmmmm
No matter how many times I read that it still strikes me as something of an oxymoron.

Two people with guns who open fire on each other are inevitably going to kill each other and possibly a few innocents as well.
The more weapons there are the easier they are for anyone to acquire.
I am only guessing but I would be willing to bet that most of the weapons used in school shootings are owned by the culprit and also fully legal.

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Originally Posted by psychocat

Two people with guns who open fire on each other are inevitably going to kill each other and possibly a few innocents as well.

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I hear this argument all the time, and let me ask you this:


What's going to get more people killed? A few hit in the cross-fire as a teacher defends against a mass-shooter, or a helpless population of fish in a barrel being intentionally targetted with no means of stopping it? It's just common sense; intentional slaughter is going to yield far more deaths than accidental collateral damage.

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Originally Posted by Gandalf_The_Grey

I hear this argument all the time, and let me ask you this:


What's going to get more people killed? A few hit in the cross-fire as a teacher defends against a mass-shooter, or a helpless population of fish in a barrel being intentionally targetted with no means of stopping it? It's just common sense; intentional slaughter is going to yield far more deaths than accidental collateral damage.

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I suppose that would depend on a few factors.
Who is the better shot.
Who has the element of suprise.
How good the teacher is.
How good the assailant is.
Fire power.
Number of assailants.

I can just see it.
In the red corner,, 3 heavily armed psychotic teenagers and a pile of automatic weapons ,
AND !
In the blue corner the combined teachers of Nowhere High

A weapon in the hands of a fool is a dangerous thing and in the hands of the unstable you just know it's got to go pearshaped.

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Originally Posted by Gandalf_The_Grey

I hear this argument all the time, and let me ask you this:


What's going to get more people killed? A few hit in the cross-fire as a teacher defends against a mass-shooter, or a helpless population of fish in a barrel being intentionally targetted with no means of stopping it? It's just common sense; intentional slaughter is going to yield far more deaths than accidental collateral damage.

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So true! I think all schools should allow their teachers to carry concealed weapons.

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Originally Posted by psychocat

I suppose that would depend on a few factors.
Who is the better shot.
Who has the element of suprise.
How good the teacher is.
How good the assailant is.
Fire power.
Number of assailants.

I can just see it.
In the red corner,, 3 heavily armed psychotic teenagers and a pile of automatic weapons ,
AND !
In the blue corner the combined teachers of Nowhere High

A weapon in the hands of a fool is a dangerous thing and in the hands of the unstable you just know it's got to go pearshaped.

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In most cases it only takes one bullet. I would much rather have a CHANCE of saving many students lives then the CERTAINTY that if they weren't stopped right away they will kill more then if they were shot in the back of the head at the start.

It's simple really.
Party A has a fight with party B.
A punches B so B gets a stick and whacks A over the head, A get's really pissed so he gets a bigger stick to hit B with.
Thats how it starts and it ends with the current world situation of MAD.
The problem is made worse by the fact that the criminals will not hesitate to buy weapons that the law abiding can't buy, you have an AK so the crims buy something bigger and better that it would be illegal for you to buy.

It's definately a my dicks bigger than yours issue.

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Originally Posted by psychocat

It's simple really.
Party A has a fight with party B.
A punches B so B gets a stick and whacks A over the head, A get's really pissed so he gets a bigger stick to hit B with.
Thats how it starts and it ends with the current world situation of MAD.
The problem is made worse by the fact that the criminals will not hesitate to buy weapons that the law abiding can't buy, you have an AK so the crims buy something bigger and better that it would be illegal for you to buy.

It's definately a my dicks bigger than yours issue.

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Like I said it only takes one bullet. The analogy you used isn't really relevant here, because how you say it it would be the same two people that were doing the fighting. Well in reality it would be different people every time so I don't think they would get anything that they already can't get now.

Lets assume for a second that I am a gunman determined to kill a few schoolkids.
I know some of the teachers may be armed so what do I do ?
Simple , I nail them first, if they don't see it coming it's impossible to stop.
I wait till lunch and while they're eating I spray thier lunch room with the fragrance of Uzi .. :D :thumbsup:
I promise you that arming teachers you will not put an end to school shootings , as long as nutters can easily access weapons there will be more killings.

I find the analogy very fitting.
The beginning of a school based arms war, very similar to cops being outgunned by crims , what's to stop the kids getting bigger and better firepower.

Whats wrong with cops patrolling schools rather than untrained teachers....