Question about Nationalized Universal Healthcare
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Originally Posted by Dave Byrd
You won't get any argument from me that the hospital system needs fixing in the process. You're precisely right that the whole system has a grossly inflated racket going w/ equipment and billing. The same thing is true of billing to insurance companies. Pharmaceutical. This is how the current prices got so inflated.
What you're not realizing, though, is that this is precisely the big-business-ized system the Obama team and the new nationalized plan is going to have to address to cut the very costs you're talking about. The reason they're the only ones who can do that, as opposed to the Rs, is that the current system has grown up at the nurturing of the Rs.
"going to have to address" and calling for an internal investigation are two different things. The system is corrupt and untill a candidate states just that I can't see where nothing will be done to solve the root of the problem. I'm sure that his ties with the University of Chicago Health System will stand in the way of real "change".
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Originally Posted by Dave Byrd
I wish I could stay and explain this a bit longer, but I am on call and have to go stand over a couple of those very beds at, fortunately, a not-for-profit hospital. Will try to get back to this later in the week.
Not for profit....so at the end of the fiscal year when there is a couple million left in the kitty how do they handle it? I've found this system a myth as stated in my previous post.
Have a good one!:s4:
Question about Nationalized Universal Healthcare
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Originally Posted by Dave Byrd
Your wording here is so closely aligned w/ Republican talking points that I'm starting to think you're one of those folks who's getting a little honorarium from one of the get-out-the-R-vote organizations that's paying people on discussion boards to cover R-leaning subjects of discussion. . . . Are you?
Absolutely NOT! Unlike others I would REFUSE to sell my soul to any of the political parties. I find it amusing that if your not for Obama all of a sudden your either a racist, anti-med. marijuana, or a hired hand. I'm a free thinker and refuse to change any of my beliefs based on a party's platform.
I don't like or respect Obama because of many reasons:
-Pull out "most" of the troops from Iraq and leave the others for target practice.
-We won't gradually go away from oil usage...lets just jump into the fire and see if we get burnt. Drill like hell here and work on other fuel alternatives in the meantime.
-He states that he's against earmarks but has so far gathered over $200,000,000 in his short term as a Senator.
-Associations with Rev. Wright for over 20 years and didn't realize he was a racist piece of garbage. I don't buy it!
-His insinuation that we would be in Darfur which would basically put us in charge of protecting China's oil interests in the country. Why?
I don't like many of McCains positions but I DO respect the man:
-He's been to hell and decided to stay with his men instead of leaving them behind. That to me shows an actual love for country and his fellow troops. MUCH RESPEC!!
-Right wing views of abortion are NOT part of my agenda
-His views on gay marriage are outdated.
-His views on med. m.j. are outdated.
ONCE AGAIN it's not a vote for who we like but a vote against the other. I've voted for Republicans, Democrats, and Independents in the past and the only ones that I can honestly say that I "voted for" was Reagan, and Perrot. B. Clinton also received my vote in his second term due to who he was running against.
My problem with Obama....he has a seperate face for every occasion. A promise for everyones issues tells me one thing; the man is a typical politician who's ONLY agenda is getting his name into the history books.
I still hold firm that real change will ONLY happen with term limits on Congress and Senate.
Have a good one!:s4:
Question about Nationalized Universal Healthcare
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Originally Posted by Dave Byrd
The reason we're going to have to look at the question of nationalized health care is because big-business-ized health care isn't working and is out of the reach of more and more sick people.
there is little doubt that the health care and insurance industries are filled with abuse and inefficiency and is in desperate need of reform, but placing the entire mess in the hands of government will only serve to exacerbate an already desperate situation. you need only look to the other socialized services that the government provides to see what a mess that bureaucracy will make of things. the duty of government is to protect the rights of its citizens, not to micro-manage their daily affairs.
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Certainly it'll be paid for in one way or another, just like it's being paid for right now in our grossly overpriced system by the few who still have insurance and extra cash.
"one way or another"? we all know how it will be paid for, the same way every other faulty social program is paid for. the government way is to overtax the middle and upper classes to pay for the long term care of the poor. little, if any, attempt is ever made provide a means for those in poverty to gain some measure of self-sufficience, merely to entrap them in comfortable poverty. as long as health care is left in the private sector there will be choice. once government get its hands on it, choice disappears and is replaced with mediocrity.
