Why i think a Theory of Everything wont be ever made

Well... i wont re-quote the posts, or this one will be too long.

Naughtydreadz, the principle of relativity of Galileo says that the physical phenomena behaves the same way in all inertial referentials, inertial referentials being the places where the physical phenomena are being measured, and this places must be at rest or moving at constant speed.
It explains why when we are in a car at constant speed it seems it isnt moving... cause physically they are the same situation.

Greendestiny, i agree that a classical coin is deterministic, in the sense that all the relevant variables for predicting its result can be measured with a large degree of precision. So, if we were to make rigorous measurements, the tossing of a coin wouldnt be random. Its said its random because usually we dont know nothing about it and so we cant predict its result.

But there are phenomena that are actually random. The atomic processes are actually random, because the uncertainity principle says that its physically impossible to measure the variables with the required precision, and so there is no way to know what will be its result. Its a limitation of the physics, so it cant be fixed, no matter how good be our measurement instruments.

And this fundamental randomness doesnt is exclusive of the atomic phenomena... the cats experiment is an experiment that brings the atomic randomness to the "real life", so the cats life expectancy is actually random.

So dont abandon the randomness... cause i would say its more usual than the order... its only our mind that says the opposite...

And thank you and also Themetal1 for the kind words... "very deep thinker"... lol! most people thinks im a lazy pothead... but its cause they dont know what im doing when im sitting there stoned out of my mind, and staring at the space... :stoned::thumbsup::jointsmile::rastasmoke:

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Originally Posted by Coelho

So dont abandon the randomness...

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I'm heading out for work, but I read an interesting idea I awhile back about Order.

Basically, there is no such thing as "Random." All patterns and systems that fall into random order, are really just a highly sophisticated form of order. The more random the formation, the more ordered it is. Like you mentioned, it is our mind that decides it is an accidental pattern, when really we just can not comprehend the orchestration of the order. It is when we see basic patterns and formations, that we can identify that the object is in "Order."

Of course it is a bit more in depth than that... but I'm late. Daaammnnn Youuuu CannnCom!!! Haha

Anyone heard of this concept?

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Man... that an interesting idea... where did you read it?
I know that the Chaos theory says that many seemingly random things (like the weather, prices of stock, and things like this) are in fact chaotic, meaning that only their apparent behavior is random, but in fact this apparent randomness is generated by simple deterministic laws... thats the difference between random and chaotic... random is when something its actually random, and chaotic is when it only seems random, but follows some definite law.
The greatest difficulty of it is how to separate chaotic from random phenomena, as both seems random... there are some techniques to do it, but as the Chaos theory is very recent (at most some 40 yrs old), its still under developement.

Well, I just looked through every book I have out on my shelves (I have boxes full in storage) and I found the freaking PARAGRAPH that describes what I mentioned. I am pretty proud of myself. :jointsmile: Of course, it was the first book I looked in... didn't find it... then looked through the rest... didn't find it... went back to the first... FOUND IT!

Title: The Holographic Universe
by Michael Talbot

Pg. 44 paragraph 4
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As Bohm (physicist David Bohm) delved more deeply into the matter he realized there were also different degrees of order. Some things were much more ordered than other things, and this implied that there was, perhaps, no end to the hierarchies of order that existed in the Universe. From this it occurred to Bohm that maybe things that we perceive as disordered aren't disordered at all. Perhaps their order is of such an "indefinitely high degree" that they only appear to us as random (interestingly, mathematicians are unable to prove randomness, and although some sequences of numbers are categorized as random, these are only educated guesses).

The book has a ton of new ideas... well "new"... some have been around since the early 1900's. I still can't believe I found that shit. :thumbsup: Time to celebrate :jointsmile: I got some outdoor that smells like a pack of gum and puke. Haha... like my sig says...
If I don't have to be nervous about how much it stinks... I don't want it!!! :thumbsup:

Stay :D and Keep :jointsmile:

Awesome. I love the Holographic Model, and Talbot does a really good job of explaining complex things in everyday and easily understandable terms. The Holographic model explains so many things so well. It somehow combines science and spirituality in a very elegant way. I recomend reading The Holographic Universe it to everyone, it's an easy read and a very interesting way to look at reality.

One simple basic flaw with the very idea of a theory of everything is what use is a theory about an unknown quantity.
What is everything ?

bridging philosophy/spirituality and physics/science.

everyone's a Jesus!

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Originally Posted by psychocat

What is everything ?

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and good point! :thumbsup:

We are constantly discovering new things... unknowns... mysteries.

So how can we formulate an all encompassing theory of everything... when we have yet to realize what is included in that "everything?" Even if we were able, and reached a conclusion, we would undoubtedly encounter a new variable that was not included in previous hypotheses.

Brain Food...

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let's assume infinity exists.

everything would be just that, everything.

Let's also assume that there is a way to reach/harness infinity, what benifits could be brought of it?


Perfection comes to mind.

Nothing is perfect.

so let's now assume infinity and nothing are also the same thing.

Nothing cannot be defined; the softest thing cannot be snapped.


If everything is unlimited, then there is no way TO know everything, but if everything is unlimited, it is also safe to assume that ANYTHING is possible, can exist, and infinity is the golden rule.
Take a moment to think of what infinity could be... there are no wrong answers.

Well... i think i must explain a thing i didnt... the name "theory of everything" is a proof of the arrogance of many scientists, cause this theory, as they search for it, is only and just only a theory that describes the physical laws. But the physical laws are not the only ones needed for the universe to work, and the other laws (chemical, biological, etc), cant be deduced from only the physical laws... so the right would be call this theory "unified theory of physics"... and NOT theory of everything... cause surely physics is NOT everything.

Themetal1, very nice that quote from Holographic Universe... i didnt read it, but will try find some copy to read... so its thought that the universe has a kind of fractal order through it? its very interesting indeed... and also its one of the things discussed in one book i did read about science and occult.
There was said that occult is NOT what people thinks, like witchcraft, channeling spirits, rituals, etc, but an extension of the science... like if science were a subset of the occult... and its interesting that many recent physical theories are very similar to occult knowledges from long ago... so maybe science is just re-discovering things that were known already...
If you like to read mind-expanding things, and have the open mind for (very) unusual views, you surely will enjoy this book... and reading it stoned is even better! :jointsmile::rastasmoke::thumbsup: