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I don't care too much who'll be president since they'd ALL be absolutely horriffic, but ANYONE but Mitt Romney is good enough for me. Thank god he dropped out. I mean seriously, a mormon as president? Are you fucking joking? I think it's high time we had a president who straight up didn't mention his religion at all; even better would be an atheist or at least agnostic president, but of course that's never gonna happen.
Agreed. I don't want to be brash and attack someone who might be enthralled with Obama for whatever reason. But hearing about all the hate that his reverend spews, and knowing that Obama has proudly been a member there for however many years, it should make even his supporters question where the mans loyalty lies.Quote:
Originally Posted by Psycho4Bud
As for his wife, she grew up in a two family home, got good grades in school, and is now a lawyer. What in the hell would she know about discrimination? She's as spoiled as her husband...
Wow...so it's ok to bash mormons without cause? Are you joking? I suggest you list your reasons for this insult, or offer an apology. So what has the Mormon church done to you to enable you to form such hate and closed-mindedness?Quote:
Originally Posted by DaBudhaStank
Exactly what is it about Mormons you disagree with?
Have you ever studied their doctrine?
Ever been to any Mormon services?
Have you ever been inside a Mormon church?
Ever heard anything beyond bigoted sophmoric gossip from equally bigoted friends, that would justify your remarks?
Did your theological undergraduate studies end in the 1800's?
How about your American political history? Ever check to see exactly what Mormons vote for in the house and senate?
Anti-Mormon Propaganda
The Mormon God and Jesus
I for one, would much rather someone that actually has a strong moral compass run this country, than an agnostic, an atheist, or a bigot. And oh, by the way...my wife is an active Mormon, and I will be looking for the apology.
I've said it before, I'll say it again...McCain/Romney '08.
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Originally Posted by Rusty Trichome
I am a believer myself, but I dislike the implication that non-believers can't have a strong moral compass. Religion isn't the only place to form your morals and ethics, and many churches teach less than christ-like beliefs (as this post proves).
It's just something to think about, considering you're asking that girl for an apology while simultaneously insulting non-believers.
As for Romney, as a resident of Massachusetts, I got to see how he runs a political office up close and personal, and let me say, it ain't pretty. It has nothing to do with his beliefs, he's just a terrible candidate for ANY office.
I second both these statements. :thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by katyowns
My name is Mister Clandestine... and I approve of this message. :thumbsup::thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by Rusty Trichome
I claim no church, and I attend no house of worship, but yes, I do still get my social bearings from my peers, most of whom are mormon or christians.Quote:
Originally Posted by katyowns
Not that I'm a non-believer, but am a non-believer in most 'organized' religion. In my opinion, religion has been watered down thru all of these offshoot churches designed to fit a clique, (and fill their coffers) rather than offer spirituality thru christ. We've got a religion for everyone. The Trinity United Church of Christ is a great example of this 'selective spirituality'.
Anyway, I didn't say non-believers can't have a moral compass. But yes, I am more likely to trust voting for those with truly judeo-christian values, morals and ethics, over the NOI or the Trinity United Church of Christ. (aren't they the same thing?)
As for Romney, I sure could do with a bit more conservatism in his tax and healthcare philosophies, but at least we know exactly what he is, and what we might expect he'd do. :jointsmile:
You've personally interviewed 99% of these religious folks? I'm not saying you can't be an atheist (or agnostic) and not encompass moral values, but it's sort of silly to make the claim that those who base morality on teachings of their religion are devoid of humanity, too weak to distinguish between right and wrong on their own, or whatever you said.Quote:
Originally Posted by DaBudhaStank
Romney is in favor of civil-unions for gays, and monogamous relationships for heterosexuals. Lots of people played roles in the demonization of marijuana over the years, and I don't see this problem being addressed by any candidates. McCain certainly isn't pro-cannabis, but that shouldn't be the primary reason not to vote for him. Religious preferences, and similar party issues aside, we should vote for who we think would be the best candidate to represent America, and her interests. National security is a big issue for me, and I don't see either of the Democrats looking to play any role in keeping us safe. If either of them become President, countless terrorists throughout the world will declare victory against America... and will likely become emboldened. They're bold enough as it is, and I'll be voting for someone who I know will bring the fight to them before they have the chance to bring it to us again.
Simply not voting isn't going to solve any of our problems. In fact, it'll probably only compound them. We have to take baby steps towards becoming the America that we all envision... it's not just going to happen overnight.
I had a long post earlier, but due to it's content it was deleted. I'm allowed to repost it, but I'm way too lazy. Suffice to say, katyowns has very valid points, but I'm not a girl, not sure where that came from, lol. Also, Mormons are one of the key contributors to the condemnation and demonization of marijuana in the U.S. Yadda yadda yadda, Romney would probably push for polygamy after he bans gay marriage, because if your a man, 8 brainwashed wives is better than 1 husband, etc etc etc, I wont mention Warren Jeffs or his crazy fucked up buddies over there in Utah (a state I refuse to even drive through if possible). So all in all, yes, I avoid Mormonism like the plague, and it wasn't the South Park episode that did it. Though, it was incredibly funny and accurate. All in all, religion means nothing and has no bearing on morality or the ability to have good judgement. Lastly, people need to stop voting so as to make a point, being that the governement needs to get off it's ass and actually start taking into consideration what people want as a whole instead of doing it's best to divide us. I can't really remember everything I wrote before, I had a hefty bong bowl between now and then. And no, I won't apologize. I'll never apologize for my viewpoints, as I doubt Mitt Romney would if I met him in person. Ugh, just thinking of meeting him in person makes me sick, like the medical marijuana patient with crippling spinal pain and injuries that incapacitated him who couldn't even get the time of day from him. There's a youtube vid up there somewhere, but I'm not very computer savvy so I have no idea how to put it here. It's on here somewhere.
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Originally Posted by Rusty Trichome
You would be surprised?