Report on McCain's relationship with lobbyist angers campaign
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Originally Posted by Psycho4Bud
Just like here in the forums....my social circle is predominately democrat. The majority are Clinton backers BUT there is one common theme. IF their candidate doesn't get the nomination they'll either NOT vote or vote for McCain. The ones going for McCain are once again predominately Clinton backers while the Obama ones would sit to home on election day. The more they flame each other the worse this will get.
As for the PAST split in the GOP....the New York Times has managed to strike the nerve that is uniting the party. Better to compromise with McCain than to back a bias lib rag like the New York Times. Like the old saying, "The enemy of my enemy is my friend". McCain may not be considered a "friend" yet but is surely an enemy of their enemies.
McCain is anti-Club Gitmo, anti-torture and unlike his Democratic contenders, hasn't been a slave to the earmarks. Seems from the debates last night both Obama and Clintons version of change doesn't include pork projects. There is nothing transparent in moneys allocated that haven't had a chance to be debated in either Congress or Senate.
Have a good one!:s4:
:wtf: Just because there is a division in your "social circle" doesn't mean there is a split nationally. Again, on EVERY poll I've seen ... the majority believe BOTH Hilary and Obama will make great Dem candidates. Hillary and Obama have both stated that opinion many times as well, including once again last night.
Again, you also have the fact that Obama is beating Hillary in recent states by more than McCain is beating Huckabee.
This would leave one to believe that so far the Dems have been more certain who their candidate should be than the Reps.
It will be interesting to see the next vote results ... To see if the Reps are indeed more in defense of McCain now. If this incident is suppose to unite more Reps with McCain ... then Huckabee should start losing votes and not gaining them.
I agree with McCain on the issue of "Pork" spending ... unfortunately that isn't a major political issue to me.
If the government is creating jobs, keeping them here, keeping us safe, protecting our rights, and remembering that they are civil servants of the people ... frankly, I don't care about the pork. If all American's were doing well ... I doubt they would care about the "pork". Besides, not all "pork" is bad.
I'd much rather have our government "slipping in" grant and financial assistance to local districts then watch them start trillion dollar wars.
We went to war with the last 2 Republican presidents we have had in this country .... In the past 15 years I've seen plenty of Rep politicians claim they are "Reagan-men" only to see them display the lack of patience that RR certainly did not have.
Report on McCain's relationship with lobbyist angers campaign
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Originally Posted by thecurious1
:wtf: Just because there is a division in your "social circle" doesn't mean there is a split nationally. Again, on EVERY poll I've seen ... the majority believe BOTH Hilary and Obama will make great Dem candidates. Hillary and Obama have both stated that opinion many times as well, including once again last night.
This is what I've been seeing too. Almost all Democrats would be happy with either candidate. The two are very close on most issues, so there is no issue wedge to split the party. Democrats are mostly excited about their choice, and will give thier full support to either one.
That's not the case for the Republicans. Many Republicans do not think McCain is a real conservative. The religious right does not trust him. Many hate him for his campaign finance law. And many others hate him for his position on immigration. There are deep issue differences between him and large segments of his party. I doubt he can get the full support of those groups. They won't vote for a Democrat, but if they aren't excited about McCain, they won't get out to raise the money, knock on doors, put up signs, handle the phones, and all the other things that win campaigns. They might not even go to the polls on election day. McCain is in serious trouble no matter who the Democratic nominee is.
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Originally Posted by thecurious1
If the government is creating jobs, keeping them here, keeping us safe, protecting our rights, and remembering that they are civil servants of the people ... frankly, I don't care about the pork. If all American's were doing well ... I doubt they would care about the "pork". Besides, not all "pork" is bad.
If you are strictly Kosher, then all pork is bad. I think they should have spending that accommodates those with dietary restrictions due to health, religious or moral beliefs. The should be a menu:
Spending
- Pork Spending
- Kosher Pastrami Spending
- Halal Lamb Spending
- Vegan Tofu Spending
* All spending served with a side of national debt and burden on future generations!
Report on McCain's relationship with lobbyist angers campaign
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Originally Posted by yokinazu
i remember a time wen i could watch th news, no matter wich station, and get a good storie that was fact and formulate my own opinion. then at the end of the broadcast the last 3 min or so someone, usally like senior editor, would come on and give a short commentary on his opinion. now the entire program is nothing but opinion. its a sad situation in our press
AMEN to that one!:thumbsup: People bitch about FOX, I bitch about MSNBC.....but I still watch both so I get both sides though. There's times when I could drive my foot through the screen with MSNBC but still gotta check it out. LOL....same goes for FOX on certain issues.
Just gotta pile up all the bullshit and then try to look for the proverbial hidden needle.
Have a good one!:s4:
Report on McCain's relationship with lobbyist angers campaign
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Originally Posted by thecurious1
:wtf: Just because there is a division in your "social circle" doesn't mean there is a split nationally. Again, on EVERY poll I've seen ... the majority believe BOTH Hilary and Obama will make great Dem candidates. Hillary and Obama have both stated that opinion many times as well, including once again last night.
Again, you also have the fact that Obama is beating Hillary in recent states by more than McCain is beating Huckabee.
This would leave one to believe that so far the Dems have been more certain who their candidate should be than the Reps.
There was more of a turnout with the GOP when there were more candidates. Since the field has narrowed down it seems that the "lock" is being taken for granted.
Then there are those like me that voted for Clinton in the primary with the feeling that she is the weaker candidate and also to keep them at war against each other. :D
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Originally Posted by thecurious1
I agree with McCain on the issue of "Pork" spending ... unfortunately that isn't a major political issue to me.
Everybody is speaking of "change" though. Part of change is getting ahold of the budget. How can a person proclaim himself/herself as being the leader of change when they ARE, and have been, part of the current problem?
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Originally Posted by thecurious1
We went to war with the last 2 Republican presidents we have had in this country .... In the past 15 years I've seen plenty of Rep politicians claim they are "Reagan-men" only to see them display the lack of patience that RR certainly did not have.
Shit is starting to fly in Kosovo again.......when did Clinton get us into that one. War is a bipartisan issue. Hell, Obama is all about bombing Pakistan whether they like it or not. Not to mention his current proclamation about ending the genocide in Darfur. How do ya end that without troops on the ground?
Have a good one!:s4:
Report on McCain's relationship with lobbyist angers campaign
Good Cartoon from Boston Globe re NY Times
Report on McCain's relationship with lobbyist angers campaign
Correction: Boston Herald.
Sorry 'bout that!
Report on McCain's relationship with lobbyist angers campaign
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Originally Posted by Psycho4Bud
AMEN to that one!:thumbsup: People bitch about FOX, I bitch about MSNBC.....but I still watch both so I get both sides though. There's times when I could drive my foot through the screen with MSNBC but still gotta check it out. LOL....same goes for FOX on certain issues.
Just gotta pile up all the bullshit and then try to look for the proverbial hidden needle.
Have a good one!:s4:
[COLOR="Green"]I used to peek at fox but they've gone too radical for too long to be believed on any subject, white house talking points are the norm, plus the only show I basically watch on MSNBC is Keith Olberman. I watch some of their other commentary shows and political wanks, But Keith does it for me. His commentary on the current regime is outstanding and seems to mirror my sentiments exactly, Go Obama![/COLOR]
Report on McCain's relationship with lobbyist angers campaign
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Originally Posted by medicinal
[COLOR="Green"]I used to peek at fox but they've gone too radical for too long to be believed on any subject, white house talking points are the norm, plus the only show I basically watch on MSNBC is Keith Olberman. I watch some of their other commentary shows and political wanks, But Keith does it for me. His commentary on the current regime is outstanding and seems to mirror my sentiments exactly, Go Obama![/COLOR]
Seriously though, don't ya find him as being the left version of Hannity? Personally I can't hardley handle watching the dude.
Have a good one!:s4:
