Al-Qaeda leaders admit: 'We are in crisis. There is panic and fear'

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Originally Posted by Rusty Trichome

Ft. Dix six ring a bell? How about the Twin Towers? The Pentagon, Shanksville...? Any recollection perhaps of Haroon Rashid Aswat and his attempts to organize a terrorist training camp in Oregon?
Your memory sounds quite clouded with denial. Perhaps this would help:
Memory Training and Memory Improvement Information

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Why would i be in denial? :wtf: This has nothing to do with me personally. YES 9-11 happened. I accept and understand that. However if you're assuming that because they hijacked a few jet planes that somehow because they were successful in that attempt that they will now be successful in invading our country as a whole...? Like i've said over and over again they don't have the means to do so. Without an air force or a navy how will they and all of their weapons get here? Do they plan on swimming across the atlantic? :cool: It's just impractical. It's like saying that Iran is a real threat!
Oh, and way to point out many ATTEMPTS... they are called attempts because they are not successful :thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by Rusty Trichome

Yeah...I'm sure you scare the piss out of 'em. Perhaps enough to avoid you alltogether, and just hit your kid's school instead.

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Unfortunately i don't have any kids! :D And if you're scared about your kids getting shot up at school the only way to do that would be to keep them at home. I'd be more afraid of crazy americans or other kids in the school that are a risk to kids than Osama sneaking in to shoot up a school.

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Originally Posted by Rusty Trichome

So, in your mind it's perfectly ok for you to have a plan to defend your borders, but not ok for the USA to do the same? Typical selective reasoning. Quite a naive and selfish statement.

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I don't even know what you're trying to say or prove. I never said America shouldn't secure its borders. My original post was somewhat of a sarcastic response to the original thread. I was trying to make a point that we have not been successful, and by this point we should be much more successful than we are currently.

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Originally Posted by benvortec

somehow because they were successful in that attempt that they will now be successful in invading our country as a whole...?

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Not what I said. Just because our government uncovered the plots against Ft. Nix, and the terrorist training camp you really believe that those that mean to do us harm are not paying attention? You think they will step-back and say "gee mohammad, Allah may not favor us killing innocent Americans?" Denial.
I am sure glad we have people in office that, thru a co-operative effort between the US and multiple international allies, are hunting down and dealing with those that mean to do us and our allies harm.

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Originally Posted by benvortec

Like i've said over and over again they don't have the means to do so. Without an air force or a navy how will they and all of their weapons get here? Do they plan on swimming across the atlantic? :cool: It's just impractical. It's like saying that Iran is a real threat!

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Swim? No, our southern border would do.
Impractical?
A guided missle is pretty cheap:

A few drums of diesel gas: $450.00 (at $3.00 gal)
A couple pallets of ammonium nitrate: free (stolen from local farms)
A rental truck: $29.99 a day. (could even use a legit credit card, gonna die anyways)
A fanatical murderer: 29 virgins.
A martyr video for friends and family: priceless.

Impractical?
You likely won't take my word for it. There's shit-loads of fatwas these jokers come up with, from being ok to lie to infidels, Dhimmi Watch: D.C. Watson: Qurâ??an in American courts? to killing us infidels altogether.
Summary/Review of Reports Concerning Threats by Osama Bin Laden to Conduct Terrorist Operations Against the United States and/or her Allies - 02 Feb 98 to 16 Jun 98 (includes original February "fatwa")

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Originally Posted by benvortec

I was trying to make a point that we have not been successful, and by this point we should be much more successful than we are currently.

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Do I wish we hadn't had to go in? Sure. I'd have voted to invade N. Korea, first.
But how long do you think it takes to stabilize a country? To help them remove the cancer that is islamic extremism? To hunt down those that still plot, still murder, still openly threaten us? Considdering the circumstances the military has been thru, I believe some modicum of respect is definatelly deserved.
Also, had Saddam not convinced his neighbors (and the world) that he had nukes, most of this may have happened differently.
And those spouting crap that we fabricated the Saddam nuke story are factually impared, or suffer from optical rectitis.
Interrogator Shares Saddam's Confessions, Tells 60 Minutes Former Iraqi Dictator Didn't Expect U.S. Invasion - CBS News

Yeah, all the way up to the last paragraph, that's the truth! Hubba hubba!:jointsmile:
What's spaghetti without the sauce? Noodles.

My good friend who is currently serves over there says that the only reason people are cooperating with us is because we are basically paying everyone(the different tribes and etc.) to behave.
He says nothing is really getting done and alot of these reports are bullshit.

Well hell, now that we all know the truth, I guess that pretty much wraps it up! Thanks for letting us all know that it's bullshit, according to your friend!:thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by zeitgeist

My good friend who is currently serves over there says that the only reason people are cooperating with us is because we are basically paying everyone(the different tribes and etc.) to behave.
He says nothing is really getting done and alot of these reports are bullshit.

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And you didn't get curious enough to check the web for additional info, but preferd to come here and grace us with his insight? Gee...thanks. A little gossip is good for the soul.

Paying everyone? With what...infrastructure? (Hospitals, schools, electricity, water treatment, security...)
https://www.rebuilding-iraq.net/pls/...IEW_041607.PDF
Is this the bribery your "friend" refers to? Or was your "friend" refering to the practice of paying locals for valid info regarding weapons bunkers, criminals, murderers, thiefs and terrorists?
In the states, we call that a reward.

I live in a predominatelly military community, and we often see news stories of our local heros re-upping to go back to be a part of the re-building process. Might want to check the info coming from your "friend" next time, and form your own opinions.

[quote=Rusty Trichome]And you didn't get curious enough to check the web for additional info, but preferd to come here and grace us with his insight? Gee...thanks. A little gossip is good for the soul.

well if its on the net, it must be true right? unless you have been there yourself, you have no idea what is going on overthere. so why speculate. you just go ahead and believe everything your gov. tells you, be a good little sheep,baaa baaa. i dont know why people argue this stuff. the gov. is going to do what it wants and when it wants reguardless of what the people want.

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Originally Posted by Rusty Trichome

Not what I said. Just because our government uncovered the plots against Ft. Nix, and the terrorist training camp you really believe that those that mean to do us harm are not paying attention? You think they will step-back and say "gee mohammad, Allah may not favor us killing innocent Americans?" Denial.
I am sure glad we have people in office that, thru a co-operative effort between the US and multiple international allies, are hunting down and dealing with those that mean to do us and our allies harm.

Swim? No, our southern border would do.
Impractical?
A guided missle is pretty cheap:

A few drums of diesel gas: $450.00 (at $3.00 gal)
A couple pallets of ammonium nitrate: free (stolen from local farms)
A rental truck: $29.99 a day. (could even use a legit credit card, gonna die anyways)
A fanatical murderer: 29 virgins.
A martyr video for friends and family: priceless.

Impractical?
You likely won't take my word for it. There's shit-loads of fatwas these jokers come up with, from being ok to lie to infidels, Dhimmi Watch: D.C. Watson: Qurâ??an in American courts? to killing us infidels altogether.
Summary/Review of Reports Concerning Threats by Osama Bin Laden to Conduct Terrorist Operations Against the United States and/or her Allies - 02 Feb 98 to 16 Jun 98 (includes original February "fatwa")


Do I wish we hadn't had to go in? Sure. I'd have voted to invade N. Korea, first.
But how long do you think it takes to stabilize a country? To help them remove the cancer that is islamic extremism? To hunt down those that still plot, still murder, still openly threaten us? Considdering the circumstances the military has been thru, I believe some modicum of respect is definatelly deserved.
Also, had Saddam not convinced his neighbors (and the world) that he had nukes, most of this may have happened differently.
And those spouting crap that we fabricated the Saddam nuke story are factually impared, or suffer from optical rectitis.
Interrogator Shares Saddam's Confessions, Tells 60 Minutes Former Iraqi Dictator Didn't Expect U.S. Invasion - CBS News

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Do you realize that everything we do now will affect us in the future. You should study the blow-back affect. It's alot more complex than just going over there and "hunting down" the mean guys.
I think you've watched one too many movies my friend... oh wait I KNOW NOW! Maybe you're living in a movie... do you know any of these guys?
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AMERICA FUCK YEAH!!!

Although you almost had me with the credit card analogy :cool: i still have a question for you. You say that they will take advantage of our souther border? Let me ask you where you think Iraq is. It's not in mexico or south america. They'd still have to swim to mexico with their AK's on their backs. Like i've said they'll either have to have planes or ships to get them here and they have neither. And if you're really concerned about americans safety then you should want the troops at home DEFENDING HOMES AND BORDERS! And what in the fuck gives us the right to go "stabilize" other peoples countries? Maybe you need to lay off the smoke... i think you're getting a little paranoid.

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Originally Posted by job1.5

well if its on the net, it must be true right? unless you have been there yourself, you have no idea what is going on overthere. so why speculate. you just go ahead and believe everything your gov. tells you, be a good little sheep,baaa baaa. i dont know why people argue this stuff. the gov. is going to do what it wants and when it wants reguardless of what the people want.

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So if one persons remarks fit in with your views or preconceptions, you are confident they must be right? End of story?
With daily reviews of quite a few publications, the preponderance of the evidence points away from this gossip.
Would love to see your any links to back up the statement "only reason people are cooperating with us is because we are basically paying everyone(the different tribes and etc.) to behave.
He says nothing is really getting done and alot of these reports are bullshit."
I'll be waiting with baited breath.

Ben:
Regarding the southern border, and extremists swimming to Mexico...? Yeah...that's exactly how they'll do it.
How about showing some forethought and reality? Global transportation allowed intercontinental enemies to avoid swimming 50 years ago.

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Originally Posted by Rusty Trichome

And you didn't get curious enough to check the web for additional info, but preferd to come here and grace us with his insight? Gee...thanks. A little gossip is good for the soul.

Paying everyone? With what...infrastructure? (Hospitals, schools, electricity, water treatment, security...)
https://www.rebuilding-iraq.net/pls/...IEW_041607.PDF
Is this the bribery your "friend" refers to? Or was your "friend" refering to the practice of paying locals for valid info regarding weapons bunkers, criminals, murderers, thiefs and terrorists?
In the states, we call that a reward.

I live in a predominatelly military community, and we often see news stories of our local heros re-upping to go back to be a part of the re-building process. Might want to check the info coming from your "friend" next time, and form your own opinions.

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Its definatly not gossip. Ive asked plenty of random soldiers about this and they say its completly true.
Yeah and when I mean paying yes its to help rebuild but there is a shit load of bribery just to keep people from killing each other.
Perfect example he gave me: Someone from tribe A goes and kills someone from Tribe B. To prevent a big as battle that will destroy the city, the US army has to be the police. They convince Tribe B not to retaliate by getting Tribe A to give up the murder + Cash. Thats basically the way shit works over there. Everyone is money hungry

Im not saying its like this in every community but it is where there are still 2+ factions.

And why are you trying to act like my friends info is bullshit when infact you are getting your info the same way? Oh the irony