The Great Depression the New Recession Alcohol and Cannabis
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Originally Posted by dragonrider
I didn't make that conclusion --- you made that conclusion. Please don't put words in my mouth and then say I'm wrong. I said that if weed were legal, then the governemnt would save money on catching, prosecuting and imprisoning people for pot crimes that would no longer be illegal. I think that is true. Even if the rest of the so-called "War on Drugs" were to continue the same as it has, it doesn't change the fact that there would be a savings from not having to enforce pot laws if pot were legal.
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Again, that's another thing I never said. I said the government would save money. I didn't say they would gve it back to us. I agree with you there --- I don't think they would necessarily give it back.
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Well, the fact is those people locked up for marijuana crimes are getting out eventually no matter what. I doubt there are many people in prison for life without possibility of parole for strictly pot crimes. So, yeah, they may be a bit screwed up after their prison experience, but in my opinion they should never have been in there in the first place. And I don't see any good reaaon to keep sending more into prison for the same crimes, just to get screwed up by thier prison experience and eventually be let back out. It is another one of the social costs of criminalization. We end up sending people to prison for relatively harmless marijuana crimes, and while they are there they get turned into REAL criminals and get let back out. I think we should stop doing that.
well first off I would like to say I don't know how to quote so I will apologize in advance.
As for the first portion, you did indeed say that. if you look at post permalink 5, you did indeed say that, no you didn't say "theory" but you agreed with someone else's deduction enlightening you to feel the same way. the use of theory is then rightfully justified, as it the your conclusion, stated in such post.
the second quote. that was rhetorical, i was just elaborating a realistic consequence being effected by this debate. but understand your response.
the third is pretty much how I feel. of course there not in for life, but theres a bit more too it which I think you touched on some of it.
for the rest, I say well rebuddled. this is one of those subjects that is tied together with a multitude of others, making it a difficult knot to untie. legalized or not, it is going to do positive and negative, but the government and the people, both have to be ready for that change. and unfortunately right now I dont believe we are ready for it.
The Great Depression the New Recession Alcohol and Cannabis
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Originally Posted by solid6
well first off I would like to say I don't know how to quote so I will apologize in advance.
As for the first portion, you did indeed say that. if you look at post permalink 5, you did indeed say that, no you didn't say "theory" but you agreed with someone else's deduction enlightening you to feel the same way. the use of theory is then rightfully justified, as it the your conclusion, stated in such post.
the second quote. that was rhetorical, i was just elaborating a realistic consequence being effected by this debate. but understand your response.
the third is pretty much how I feel. of course there not in for life, but theres a bit more too it which I think you touched on some of it.
for the rest, I say well rebuddled. this is one of those subjects that is tied together with a multitude of others, making it a difficult knot to untie. legalized or not, it is going to do positive and negative, but the government and the people, both have to be ready for that change. and unfortunately right now I dont believe we are ready for it.
Thanks for clearing that up a bit.
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The Great Depression the New Recession Alcohol and Cannabis
What you are failing to understand is that all Senators and Congressmen in Washington DC are paid in campaign contributions to protect the "Big Pharma" industry. Marijuana is a direct competitor to Big Pharmas money making products.
Who is the Marijuana Lobby and how much do they bribe (contribute) to the political campaigns compared to the Big Pharma lobbiests?
A US Senator must raise well over $10,000 per day in office just to support the next election campiagn to keep thier job. You cannot realistically expect them to ever support legalization of Marijuana when they already know it will cost them thier job.
Stop being so simplistic and wasting all your time enumerating the logic behind legalization. LOGIC DOES NOT APPLY HERE!
regards,
Max Blast
The Great Depression the New Recession Alcohol and Cannabis
The Great Depression the New Recession Alcohol and Cannabis
Yup. We should start with repealing all federal laws regarding cannabis.
Also, if we got rid of the IRS, then everyone would have more money to save and spend. The government does not need the money from us. If you took the money they got from the IRS out of the current budget, they would be back at 2000 levels.
Ending the war in Iraq would save the country a lot of money. Money that could be used to repair our infrastructure.
Also the Federal Reserve keeps printing more money, thus causing inflation, and devaluing all our dollars.
The Great Depression the New Recession Alcohol and Cannabis
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Originally Posted by angry nomad
Also, if we got rid of the IRS, then everyone would have more money to save and spend. The government does not need the money from us. If you took the money they got from the IRS out of the current budget, they would be back at 2000 levels.
I've heard you say this before but I never remembered to ask, where does the rest of the government's revenue come from? I would have thought that the majority of the government's revenue comes from the IRS. If there was no revenue from the IRS, but the governemnt would still have the same revenue as it did in 2000, where would the rest come from?
The Great Depression the New Recession Alcohol and Cannabis
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Originally Posted by dragonrider
I've heard you say this before but I never remembered to ask, where does the rest of the government's revenue come from? I would have thought that the majority of the government's revenue comes from the IRS. If there was no revenue from the IRS, but the governemnt would still have the same revenue as it did in 2000, where would the rest come from?
Less than half comes from the IRS. All the other taxes such as consumption taxes, and corporate income taxes make up the rest.
The Great Depression the New Recession Alcohol and Cannabis
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Originally Posted by angry nomad
Less than half comes from the IRS. All the other taxes such as consumption taxes, and corporate income taxes make up the rest.
I don't think that is true. I think it's about 75% personal income tax and about 25% total for corporate income tax, excise taxes, estate and gift taxes, customs and other miscellaneous. And of that, aren't corporate income taxes and estate and gift taxes collected through the IRS too? I'm guessing if you ditch the IRS, maybe you'll get 10% of current revenue.
The Great Depression the New Recession Alcohol and Cannabis
It is disgusting how uninformed everyone is. THE US GOVERNMENT CAN NOT JUST LEGALIZE WEED! There are international treaties which ban such things. Everyone on here bitches about being informed and you all dont even pay attention.
The Great Depression the New Recession Alcohol and Cannabis
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Originally Posted by HerbalConfusion
It is disgusting how uninformed everyone is. THE US GOVERNMENT CAN NOT JUST LEGALIZE WEED! There are international treaties which ban such things. Everyone on here bitches about being informed and you all dont even pay attention.
What treaties do you speak of?
And if such treaties exist, what would other countries do to us if we did re-legalize it? bomb us?
