Why I have a real problem trusting the US goverment.
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Originally Posted by FreshNugz
watch the movie "loose change".
That's what they're doing to you.
No offense, but that movie was pure one-sided garbage. For someone to even think that 9/11 was a conspiracy perpetrated by an oil/money hungry government is pretty absurd. I don't like Bush, and never voted for him, but to even assume that he'd even be intelligent enough to pull off such a conspiracy is really bordering on insanity. If you want REAL proof, with REAL facts, from REAL sources about what happened on 9/11/01... check this site out: Debunking 9/11 Conspiracy Theories & Myths
If that one isn't enough, here's another site for you to scratch your head over: 9/11 Myths
(Did you note how their facts were actually supported by verifiable documentation? Something most conspiracy theorists NEVER give you...)
I understand that many people may not be feeling patriotic with the circumstances surrounding our nation, and I'm not asking anyone to condone the actions/wars of the Bush administration. But I do ask that Americans show some sense of patriotism and get their facts straight before attempting to spread the word about ignorant/misinformed propaganda films like 'Loose Change'. At least be supportive of the troops, who are only where the are because they've sworn an oath to be there. If people are so worried about the way things are going, then maybe consider being proactive for a change. Encourage others to vote... it's a very effective way of letting your voice be heard. Write to governmental officials, don't forget to be patient, and they may just happen to write you back. (It's happened several times to me.) Support your community by donating time or money to local services and charities. Find a way to make a difference, and quit whining about how bad America has become.
...America isn't as bad as lots of folks make it out to be. Try spending a week in the slums of Moscow, or in Communist China or North Korea. Get informed for a change and see how well our government treats us compared to many other countries out there. Get a good look at poverty, and famine, and death that happens in the streets of many third-world nations. Then maybe these people learn to appreciate what this country is doing for them and has been doing for them since before they were even born.
November '08 is coming, and with it will come changes. How are you going to ensure that these changes benefit you?
Why I have a real problem trusting the US goverment.
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Originally Posted by Mr. Clandestine
No offense, but that movie was pure one-sided garbage. For someone to even think that 9/11 was a conspiracy perpetrated by an oil/money hungry government is pretty absurd. I don't like Bush, and never voted for him, but to even assume that he'd even be intelligent enough to pull off such a conspiracy is really bordering on insanity. If you want REAL proof, with REAL facts, from REAL sources about what happened on 9/11/01... check this site out:
Debunking 9/11 Conspiracy Theories & Myths
If that one isn't enough, here's another site for you to scratch your head over:
9/11 Myths
(Did you note how their facts were actually supported by verifiable documentation? Something most conspiracy theorists NEVER give you...)
I understand that many people may not be feeling patriotic with the circumstances surrounding our nation, and I'm not asking anyone to condone the actions/wars of the Bush administration. But I do ask that Americans show some sense of patriotism and get their facts straight before attempting to spread the word about ignorant/misinformed propaganda films like 'Loose Change'. At least be supportive of the troops, who are only where the are because they've sworn an oath to be there. If people are so worried about the way things are going, then maybe consider being proactive for a change. Encourage others to vote... it's a very effective way of letting your voice be heard. Write to governmental officials, don't forget to be patient, and they may just happen to write you back. (It's happened several times to me.) Support your community by donating time or money to local services and charities. Find a way to make a difference, and quit whining about how bad America has become.
...America isn't as bad as lots of folks make it out to be. Try spending a week in the slums of Moscow, or in Communist China or North Korea. Get informed for a change and see how well our government treats us compared to many other countries out there. Get a good look at poverty, and famine, and death that happens in the streets of many third-world nations. Then maybe these people learn to appreciate what this country is doing for them and has been doing for them since before they were even born.
November '08 is coming, and with it will come changes. How are you going to ensure that these changes benefit you?
Awesome post! Now if you'll excuse me I am gonna go jump in my black helicopter and hunt poor people for sport.:D
Why I have a real problem trusting the US goverment.
We often hear of British soldiers being fired on by US forces and the resulting injuries and deaths are put down to friendly fire.There's nothing friendly about being shot.
US troops get training to avoid friendly-fire attacks on British - Times Online
It's further proof that the troops are either badly trained or badly commanded or both. As far as I know British troops have not fired against thier allies and in the majority of cases it has been American troops firing on Brits.
Why I have a real problem trusting the US goverment.
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Originally Posted by psychocat
It's further proof that the troops are either badly trained or badly commanded or both. As far as I know British troops have not fired against thier allies.
Guess someone hasn't done their fuckin homework, eh?
Pardon me, but suffering from optical rectitis is treatable.
optical rectitis: Having ones head so far up their ass, all they can see is their own shit.
British troops â??kill Danes in friendly fireâ?? « Aftermath News
23 Coalition Troops Killed in Friendly Fire
Dutch Troops Kill 4 in Friendly Fire
LiveLeak.com - 'UK friendly fire' killed troops
This happens in every war. This war is no different, nor will the next one be. Does anyone really think there is a conspiracy by the Americans to slowly eliminate their allies? Does anyone think that mistakes don't happen, or that equipment never fails? Or that signals never get crossed, or situations never change, or that split-second decisions don't always end up like you would like?
Coalition troops are very well trained, and precautions are in place to help reduce the numbers of incidents, and yet even they realize...shit happens.
This is a war, not an ice cream social. Our guys in theatre are getting fired upon from all sides. (including from those at home, that claim to have been in the service, yet slam the military every chance they get. I'm sure you were real popular in your unit.)
Moronic.
Why I have a real problem trusting the US goverment.
The loose change comment was a joke man.
I'm not a lefty.
Pls don't chew me out for sayin it. sorry it seemed serious.
Why I have a real problem trusting the US goverment.
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Originally Posted by FreshNugz
Pls don't chew me out for sayin it. sorry it seemed serious.
Sorry for jumping on you, man. I didn't even realize you were Canadian when I responded, which partially explains the misinformation. And which is also why I went back in at the last minute and edited all of the "yous" that were originally written, and replaced them with "Americans".
Anyway, I hear 'Loose Change' being defended all too often, and all too often it is by American citizens who should know better... though for some inexplicable reason, many of our citizens want to play the conspiracy card, but don't want to research the actual facts behind the theories they so desperately try to defend. My tirade wasn't meant to be directed towards you, but rather to anyone foolish enough to defend their allegations based on just watching this idiotic film.
I watched it a few years ago, and remember thinking to myself at the time, "Hmm...some of this actually makes sense." But not one to be misled, even by nifty documentaries with trippy background music, I did my own research and came up with a lot of the same facts that the "Debunking..." websites now have. A little later, "Debunking 9/11" was released, and confirmed a lot of the things I had suspected to be true in the first place. Dad after day, damn near every myth from the documentary began to fall apart, and even the film-maker admitted that most of his film wasn't based on any fact whatsoever. He was just looking to get a rise out of gullible people, and to make some money in the process. It's easy to see where his loyalty lies, which is why I get a little irate when I hear someone defend his film.
Sorry again for the rant. But believe it or not, many Americans are still genuinely upset about 9/11, and don't like to hear anyone "joke" about it... especially when referring to 'Loose Change' as a basis for their political arguments.
Why I have a real problem trusting the US goverment.
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Originally Posted by 8182KSKUSH
Awesome post! Now if you'll excuse me I am gonna go jump in my black helicopter and hunt poor people for sport.:D
lol, I hear that the elderly and small children make for easier (slower) targets! No sense in wasting valuable killing time on those who can run from you. :jointsmile:
Why I have a real problem trusting the US goverment.
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Originally Posted by Rusty Trichome
Guess someone hasn't done their fuckin homework, eh?
Pardon me, but suffering from optical rectitis is treatable.
optical rectitis: Having ones head so far up their ass, all they can see is their own shit.
British troops â??kill Danes in friendly fireâ?? « Aftermath News
23 Coalition Troops Killed in Friendly Fire
Dutch Troops Kill 4 in Friendly Fire
LiveLeak.com - 'UK friendly fire' killed troops
This happens in every war. This war is no different, nor will the next one be. Does anyone really think there is a conspiracy by the Americans to slowly eliminate their allies? Does anyone think that mistakes don't happen, or that equipment never fails? Or that signals never get crossed, or situations never change, or that split-second decisions don't always end up like you would like?
Coalition troops are very well trained, and precautions are in place to help reduce the numbers of incidents, and yet even they realize...shit happens.
This is a war, not an ice cream social. Our guys in theatre are getting fired upon from all sides. (including from those at home, that claim to have been in the service, yet slam the military every chance they get. I'm sure you were real popular in your unit.)
Moronic.
Moronic is calling names over the net.
The MAJORITY of friendly fire incidents involve US troops firing on thier allies , it does happen with others but it seems more likely to happen when US troops or airforce are around.
Why I have a real problem trusting the US goverment.
Wonder how many Loose Change movies they will have to do?
There's a second re-make already set for distribution. (third movie of the "series") Pretty soon after all the lies, red-herrings and deciept are removed, it'll be a five minute list of movie credits.
Any responsible documentarian of fact would have done background research prior to the making of the film, or at least include the reasons for removing the original debunked content, side by side with what the real evidence had shown. I have a feeling they are just tweaking their facts to squeeze all of the loose change out of liberal pockets. But hey...if liberals are gullible enough to keep paying to see the same people in the same movie, cry the same conspiracy crap, the kids that made the movie will keep the revisions coming.
9-11 Review: Hoax-Promoting Videos
"The makers of Loose Change have finished the third edition of their film, Final Cut. The Second Edition was significantly different than the first, but Final Cut is an even more significant departure still. Although it has far fewer errors than Second Edtion, it has received far less publicity."
Far fewer errors...? How about striving for no errors!
Why I have a real problem trusting the US goverment.
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Originally Posted by psychocat
Moronic is calling names over the net.
The MAJORITY of friendly fire incidents involve US troops firing on thier allies , it does happen with others but it seems more likely to happen when US troops or airforce are around.
What I was calling moronic was your statement " As far as I know British troops have not fired against thier allies."
Does not take long to check your 'facts'. (at least it didn't take me long to check your facts)
If not moronic, then how about shady, or at the very least, misleading?
Disingenuous was the word that first came to my mind, but moronic was quicker to type.
I'm sure it has nothing to do with the fact we have the lions share of troops and weapons in-theatre. Wouldn't make sense that any of the other forces would have more FF incidents, now would it?
FF incidents also happen in police situations, too. Any comments as to that fact? Just a couple of references:
Police rethink ââ?¬Ë?always armedââ?¬â?¢ policy - Crime & courts - MSNBC.com
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