Ron Paul excluded from Fox News Debate

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Originally Posted by bestbet

By the By, I now support Obama, as i did b4 i discovered Ron Paul

and hilary scares me as beng someone who will do whatever it takes to win, just like Giulliani, Romney and the rest,
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I agree with just about everything you said in both your posts. I will probably end up voting for Barrack Obama in the presidential election because Dr. Paul will more than likely not be on the ballot. However, I will do everything in my power to help Dr. Paul get the republican nomination.

But yes, I agree Obama is my 2nd canidate of choice although its looking unlikely that he will get the democrat nomination either.

We could be looking at a 3rd Clinton administration. Not that it would be awful, anything is better than allowing another of the Republicans to get into the White House.

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Originally Posted by AZExplorer

I agree with just about everything you said in both your posts. I will probably end up voting for Barrack Obama in the presidential election because Dr. Paul will more than likely not be on the ballot. However, I will do everything in my power to help Dr. Paul get the republican nomination.

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do everything in your power to help him get the nomination but you ARENT going to vote for him??? that! is the speaking of an idiot.

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Originally Posted by bestbet

i was once a supporter of Ron Paul, but i have awaken from my slumber and see that Ron has ZERO chance of getting even 5% in the polls.

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So you vote based on how other people vote, how pathetic, why even vote at all?

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Originally Posted by FlyGuyOU

do everything in your power to help him get the nomination but you ARENT going to vote for him??? that! is the speaking of an idiot.

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Maybe you should understand American politics before calling someone an idiot.

Let me explain. We have Primary elections, where each party (democrat, republican, ect) will use to determine their canidate. Each party only picks 1 canidate to represent it. Therefore Ron Paul has next to no chance to actually appearing on the final Presidential ballot. Unless he changes his party and runs as an independent.

Yes, I will be voting for Ron Paul in my states Primary election. However unless he is on the final Presidential ballot in November, I will be voting for Barrack Obama, if Obama doesnt get the Democrat nomination, then I will not be voting for anyone at this time. I havent gone as far to pick a 3rd canidate.

But thanks for calling me an idiot because you have no understanding of the subject matter.

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Originally Posted by bestbet

i was once a supporter of Ron Paul, but i have awaken from my slumber and see that Ron has ZERO chance of getting even 5% in the polls.

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That's foolish of you.

This is not true. This event does not exist. You Decide 08! Scroll down to "Candidate Calender" and you will see there is no debate scheduled. This was canceled 3 weeks ago. I'll be outside sign waving during the ABC debate on the 5th in NH.

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Originally Posted by Zimzum

This is not true. This event does not exist. You Decide 08! Scroll down to "Candidate Calender" and you will see there is no debate scheduled. This was canceled 3 weeks ago. I'll be outside sign waving during the ABC debate on the 5th in NH.

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A TRUE Ron Paul supporter.....thanks for keeping it real!:thumbsup:

Have a good one!:s4:

GOP candidates to meet at NH forum

Thu Dec 27, 5:42 PM ET

WASHINGTON - The New Hampshire Republican Party is sponsoring a forum for Republican presidential candidates on Jan. 6, two days before the state's first-in-the-nation primary.

The forum, where the candidates will be questioned by Fox New Channel's Chris Wallace, will be held a day after ABC holds back to back Democratic and Republican presidential debates.

"Never underestimate New Hampshire voters' appetite for politics," said Fergus Cullen, the chairman of the state Republican Party.

Participating in the forum will be Rudy Giuliani, Mike Huckabee, John McCain, Mitt Romney and Fred Thompson.

Unlike a debate, the candidates will face questions from Wallace around a table in a studio on the campus of St. Anselm College in Goffstown, N.H.. The 90-minute encounter will air live beginning at 8 p.m. ET on the Fox News Channel and on Fox News Radio.

GOP candidates to meet at NH forum - Yahoo! News


Ron Paul NOT excluded from Fox debate
Some sloppy reporting, instant web indignation, and holiday vacations produced a surge of hysteria that might have been avoided.by William Westmiller
(Libertarian)

One of the hazards of instant mass communication is that incorrect stories can get distributed immediately. A particular hazard during holiday vacations.

There is NO NH DEBATE on January 6th. Ron Paul was NOT EXCLUDED. That event was canceled three weeks ago. [See Update7]

Ron WILL participate in the January 5th ABC/WMUR GOP debate in New Hampshire.

So, what happened?

Months ago, NH GOP chairman Fergus Cullen had been in touch with FoxNews about a possible forum on January 6th. He had even contacted all the GOP candidates to see whether they were available. However, plans for the ABC debate were finalized with all candidates early in December and Cullen "threw in the towel." See "OUTFOXED" in the NH Union Leader of December 16th.

At that time, Cullen had not received a response from Ron Paul, who had committed to a conflicting luncheon at the NH Liberty Forum at the same time.

Skip ahead to December 27th, when the Union Leader reported that all candidates had agreed to the ABC/WMUR debate and reporter Garry Rayno added a confusing paragraph about Giuliani finally agreeing to the (canceled) January 6th forum, which had already been converted into a simple state GOP brunch.

Due to the timing of this article, there was no way to confirm who will or won't attend the brunch, but it is not a broadcast debate and has nothing to do with FoxNews. Nevertheless, a blog in Washington picked up the story, scrambled it and their "BHDC Staff" reported a list of the candidates who would be attending, which did not include Ron Paul (he hadn't officially confirmed, due to the conflict).

That story was picked up by the AP Newswire, which added some information that it had from a month earlier about the format being discussed.

Finally, the AP article was picked up by Lew Rockwell and passed along to DailyPaul.com, with all the errors intact. Of course, a firestorm ensued on all the Ron Paul nets before the information could be verified. Immediately, thousands of messages went to FoxNews and the NH GOP protesting the exclusion.

Unfortunately, the Ron Paul campaign didn't sort out the facts before sending out a news release blasting Fox for their "outrageous" conduct, even if they did note that the information had not been confirmed. From there, the report spread into dozens of blogs and news commentaries.

An unfortunate false alarm. Lesson: Fast news is sometimes "bad" news. Faux News is worthy of criticism for what they have done, not for what they haven't done. Look before you leap.

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Update1: Not all MSM is bad. For some favorable coverage of Ron Paul, see my "Media Ears" articles: ABC, Newsweek, PBS & Cable 47

Update2: The New Hampshire GOP website makes no mention of any events on January 6th, but it does promote the NH Liberty Forum scheduled for January 5th, where Ron Paul will be speaking. I'm informed that the campaign was working with Forum sponsors and Cullen to accommodate any possible NHGOP event.
Fox News does mention the January 5th ABC debate on their schedule, but nothing in New Hampshire on January 6th.
There does appear to be some residual confusion about the GOPNH brunch on the 6th, which may occur, where some candidates may attend, and which Fox may cover as a news item, but it certainly isn't a live, broadcast debate or forum. [See Update7]

Update3: If you believe there is an error in my report, please provide a link. The story from the Big Head DC blog, linked in the article, may be a satirical fabrication intended to distress Paul supporters, which is their inclination. As for St. Anselm College, their schedule show no events whatever on January 6th.

Update4: This gets more interesting. The source for the original story was the Big Head DC blog, run by one Rob Capriccioso. At first, I thought he had just made an innocent error, but his wife says he is "working on a cutting-edge blog war strategy.

""Blog wars were so lame before my husband came around. It was just people making fun of each other or posting unflattering pictures. BORING! But then my husband figured something out: posting full names and job names really scared people and can potentially disrupt their lives. So exciting!"

Then, I discovered that Capriccioso was responsible for "outing" Trent Lott, apparently with fabricated emails from a purported homosexual lover. Did he decide to spoof the entire Ron Paul story, just to "disrupt the lives" of Ron Paul supporters?

Update5: WorldNetDaily has confirmed the accuracy of this report. In a review of other candidate websites and news schedules, no such event exists.

Update6: Further evidence of Fox Newsâ?? apparent innocence (this time) is their sponsorship of the January 10th GOP Debate in Myrtle Beach, South Carolina. It would make no sense to exclude Ron Paul on January 6th, but to reportedly include him in a debate four days later.

This report does not conflict with the RP press release, in which Kent Snyder states that they are "continuing to make inquiries" to determine why Paul was "apparently excluded." I totally agree with his reasons why Paul should be included in all broadcast debates.

Thanks to Mondoreb at Death by 1000 Papercuts for the compliment and some cute stock photos. This report, he writes,

"... is as accurate as we have been able to verify at this point in time. It may prove to contain errors, but we couldn't find any, based on what DBKP knows at this moment."

Apologies to Chris Brunner of Lew Rockwell for incorrectly identifying him as the author of the WorldNetDaily post, which is not attributed. Thanks to Jane Aitken, a huge RP booster in New Hampshire, who will be following up with the NHGOP.

Update7: NHGOP Press Secretary Barney Keller, in transit to New York City on his cell phone, says all candidates have been invited to attend and "say a few words" at the noon Sunday "Presidential Brunch" event, which may be covered by C-Span. Independent of that event, says Keller, Fox News has arranged for the use of a television studio at St. Anselm College for possible interviews with presidential candidates that evening. There will be no public audience and, to the best of his knowledge, all candidates have been invited. That session is totally under the control of Fox News, he says, which may be taped or done as a live broadcast. Awaiting return call from Fox VP John Moody. [12/30/07 02:30 pm PT]

Ron Paul NOT excluded from Fox debate

Thanks for the updates.

Im going to get to Home Depot some time this week and make up some festive Ron Paul signs and post them along the highway for about 40 miles all the way to Phoenix. Hoping to put 1 about every 7-8 miles.

Im debating what to put, I want to put "Ron Paul" then underneath put "Unfuck America 2008".. but im figuring the police would probably pull up the signs for saying "fuck". so I think I might go a little more conservative and put "Ron Paul" "For Change 2008"

If you can think of something better, please comment. Im completely open to a catchy slogan. Im hoping to make each sign on some sort of ply-wood with spray painted letters.

Ive seen some pretty cool "Ron Paul Revolution" signs as well.

Ive seen more Ron Paul signs than any other canidate so far, so its definetely a good sign for us.

Keep up the great work guys :D

"Google Ron Paul" may seem silly to you at this point, but ridiculous as it sounds, a lot of people have not heard of him yet.