Police Batter Down Teenager's Door, Blow Off Dog's Head Without Warning

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Originally Posted by Psycho4Bud

The also had a warrent, she had pitbulls; "gentle mutts who were running away in fear". SURE they were....somebody strange busts in the door and two pitbulls are going to go runnin' away. Simple logic says thats a load of crap.

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Originally Posted by mctokin

I'm siding with P4B and H4H. I don't think the dogs would have just run away. They would have attacked, which would justify having to shooting them. I feel bad that the dogs had to die because the woman was a drug user, but in the end it was her fault that this all happend.

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:rolleyes:

*This is in no way a personal attack upon any other member:*

To think that any and all pitbulls are going to automatically attack anything that comes busting through a door would be ignorant. I personally know very "scary" looking pitbulls who act like any other dog. Hell, I've scared a (full grown) pit into another room by swinging open a door and shouting. Mind you, I didn't have full tactical gear on, a gun drawn, and another body with me either.

There were two though!

? Two men. Two dogs.

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Originally Posted by OLDE ENGLISH '800

i know my dogs would attack thats what i train them for and i would be right behind them with the steel...

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Originally Posted by pisshead

yes, it was her fault the cops busted down her door for having a personal amount of drugs to use in her own home...she could have been working with al qaeda, they probably should have just killed her right there as well...she could have instantly started a terrorist attack...

i guess people just need to learn to love the new freedom of tyranny.

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Ahhh...she was using coke! Of course! You can't trust anybody who uses coke...so you'd better kick her door in, shoot two of their dogs in the face in front of them; then promptly arrest the woman and her teenage daughter in the dog's blood......

What? Personal amount found? No guns? No violence? (except for the cops) Her daughters were studying? Bahh! Hogwash! Kick the doors in and come in with guns blazin'!

Whenever I've owned dogs it's always been two at a time; they seem to stay more active and also have a companion then. I never "trained" them to be aggressive but I can definately say that NOBODY would be busting in the doors. Myself, I always had Sheppard or a sheppard mix......I can't imagine a fighting dog being such a pussy in comparison.

I got a friend with a pit...doesn't train her to be a fighter but once again, NOBODY would be crashing in the door watching the dog run away.

Also, since when in Canada or the states do cops bust through doors just for a lil' "personal use" drugs? She was probably doing a bit of business for this to happen.

Have a good one!:s4:

NYtimes.com - Police Raid Wrong Man's House and Kill His Dogs

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Aaron Peterson, Mr. Miller's 15-year-old son, said he was asleep on the couch beside his Rottweiler when he heard banging on the door. "I was just getting ready to get up and the door flew open," Aaron told The Philadelphia Daily News. "They had their guns up. They said, 'Get the dog!' Then they shot him four times." 'Put His Foot on My Neck'

Officers also killed a Labrador retriever. Mr. Miller said the dog was running away from the officers and trying to hide under the dining room table.

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Damn pussy dog.

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Family irate after police raid home, killing their pit bull

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"They never afforded us the opportunity to restrain Max before shooting him in close range," Perry said. "Anyone who has met the dog will tell you he has never acted in an aggressive manner."

The family pleaded with officers to let them restrain the dog, she said, describing the animal as a 5-year-old American pit bull. Max was barking as any dog would if confronted by a dozen strangers with automatic weapons, Perry said.

Perry and other family members adamantly denied the dog lunged at officers.

"The running family joke is that he is a poodle dressed as a pit bull," she said. "He was a big, gentle baby who never had any problems."

The dog was shot because he was a pit bull and the breed has a reputation for being menacing, Perry said.

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Good thread, hot topic........but to both sides of the issue: Lets keep this civil. :thumbsup:

Have a good one!:jointsmile:

So according to what some of you are saying, if she had only marijuana, it would've been wrong for them to shoot the dogs, drag her daughter through their animal's blood at gunpoint, and hold her overnight subjecting her to a strip search...? But since she had a personal amount of cocaine that was all justified? WTF?

This is severely fucked up, I hope they pursue a lawsuit and win.

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Originally Posted by Markass

So according to what some of you are saying, if she had only marijuana, it would've been wrong for them to shoot the dogs, drag her daughter through their animal's blood at gunpoint, and hold her overnight subjecting her to a strip search...? But since she had a personal amount of cocaine that was all justified? WTF?

This is severely fucked up, I hope they pursue a lawsuit and win.

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Not at all........if it were up to me everything would be legal but this IS the mentallity of law enforcement. If your doing BUSINESS with the white lady they'll put on the smack down.

Have a good one!:s4:

We live in a world with laws. I for one feel that the laws that govern our societies are absolutely necessary. It is every human beings decision on this planet to make a decision on whether or not to obey the laws that have been implaced. If you make a decision to obey the laws, then you have nothing to worry about as far as living your life without fear of the police. If on the other hand you make a decision to not follow laws that are implaced, then you subject yourself to the consequences of disobeying laws. I know this, you reading this know this, and the woman that this discussion is about also knew this. She knew this when she decided to break the laws concerning possesion of cocaine and marijuana. Breaking a law has consequences, which I am sure we can all agree on, the consequences in this situation were having the police show up with a warrant. The police were not wrong in doing this, a mother with children using cocaine is not right in the eyes of not only the law, but me as well. The police show up with a warrant, and a police officer when going to serve a warrant prepares for the worst. Imagine yourself in a situation where you are going to arrest a criminal, you do not know what awaits you behind a kicked in door, it could be a mother with two children and two pitbulls. It could also be many armed drug addicts with automatic weapons. So a trained professional prepares for the worst, in this case the threat that these police officers faced (and remember, an assualt team has to make split second decisions when breaching a room) was two pitbulls, dogs react differently to different situations. I am sure we can all agree that none of us were there, and therefore cannot comment on how the two dogs in question reacted. Speaking as someone who has trained in room clearing, I can say that neutralizing the threat is of the utmost importance. The two dogs in the room after making a decision in a matter of seconds appeared to be the biggest threat, therefore they were neutralized. The two dogs were killed, for the police officers in question there is no more threat to their safety, now arrests can be made without any people getting killed. After arrests were made look at what really happened. Two animals were killed which was unfortonate, but a mother who was a hard drug user was taken into custody and her children who were subjected to a hard drug user are no longer in that situation. This mother knew the consequences of her actions, she knew that her children might possibly be taken away from her based on her decision to use cocaine. she ignored this fact, which makes me question her devotion to her children. Really what is more important, your children...or drugs?


To me, the good outweighs the bad, two animals were killed, yeah that sucks, but in the end two children are no longer being subjected to a mother who is a hard drug user who apparently cares more about using drugs than the possibility of losing her to children to the consequences of her actions.

therefore i still do not feel bad about this situation and feel that the police officers in question have done NO wrong.

We need a citizens army to face the war on excessive force as long as its organized we could make all kinds of mistakes and get away with it just like them

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Originally Posted by higher4hockey

To me, the good outweighs the bad, two animals were killed, yeah that sucks, but in the end two children are no longer being subjected to a mother who is a hard drug user who apparently cares more about using drugs than the possibility of losing her to children to the consequences of her actions.

therefore i still do not feel bad about this situation and feel that the police officers in question have done NO wrong.

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How do you know that she was a bad mother? She could use cocaine once a fucking week, maybe when her kids go to their father's, or grandmother's house or some crap. There was a roof over their head, they were apparently in a livable environment...I know several people who pick up a small amount of cocaine from time to time for them and their spouse, they have children, and they are wonderful parents, the same as a non drug using parent. It's just that cocaine gives them something that they enjoy, like cigarette smokers, or beer drinkers, or pot smokers...they like the way it makes them feel.

For god sakes, she had a personal amount...She was no drug dealer, she was a drug user.

Now I'm sure she's going to get her children taken away from her and will probably face prison time.

fuck the fucking laws. they're stupid. In a free country, you should have the right to do what you want if you're not hurting anybody..

I like what ron paul said..."Saying no is good, but letâ??s find out whoâ??s supposed to say no. I'm tired of the federal government telling us what we should do and shouldn't do."

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Originally Posted by higher4hockey

We live in a world with laws. I for one feel that the laws that govern our societies are absolutely necessary. It is every human beings decision on this planet to make a decision on whether or not to obey the laws that have been implaced. If you make a decision to obey the laws, then you have nothing to worry about as far as living your life without fear of the police. If on the other hand you make a decision to not follow laws that are implaced, then you subject yourself to the consequences of disobeying laws.

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You contradict yourself. You tout that this woman should follow the law, that there are consequences for not following the law, therefor the police are justified in breaking the law. You don't see the problem here? You're advocating a society where people strictly abide by the law, but those who break it shouldn't be punished accoring to the law; just the whim of angry cops. Laws aren't just in place to dictate actions, they decide how we should be punished. Can't have it both ways.