Planned Parenthood's free publicity

Good to know torog is looking out for our interests :buzz_saw:

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Originally Posted by birdgirl73

HighTill, I'm afraid you're the one here who has no idea what you're talking about. You're also the one who needs to read both our constitution and the Declaration of Independence so you won't be attributing information that neither document remotely addresses (your so-called "big government," which people who parrot what they've heard other say about free-market economics and univeral health care but who don't really understand how our health care economy works now love to shout about). Right now, you're putting the decisions about your health care, if you're lucky enough to have any at all, in the hands of big insurance, big pharmaceutical companies, and big hospital corporations. The assumption that private, for-profit industry is going to make decisions on your behalf, be a better steward of your money, and do justice by your personal health is just laughable. Talk to the people who need care now and you'll find out just how unfairly this is working currently.

Only the really uninformed are the ones who're frightened about "socialized medicine" or a "socialist state." I can already tell you that our future health care system--and it's coming eventually, one way or another--will have to be built around the privately structured system we have now. It'll most likely be a combination public-private system. That'll be very different from what you're imagining. You'd do well to read more, learn more about our current health care economy, and do far less fear-mongering until you know a lot more about what you're discussing. The right to choose these matters, by the way, lies in your hands and not in anyone else's. You elect your own government.

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i'm sorry I will have to agree to disagree... as a citizen who can receive full government benefits, i think i have great knowledge of health... especially as my mother is/was an Rn, who has a doctorate in hospital managment, both of my grandfathers were physicians, and i have an uncle who is an xray tech... oh did i mention i have had cancer, and pnemonia NUMEROUS times... oh and i have never once used my insurance, except for a few trips to county clinics... i manage my health with mostly natural cures... but maybe i'm magic

lol, sorry for being a jerk, i digress

first, any vetran knows, government health care is a joke... absolutely... you can wait, or just recieve innadequate care... i have supplemental insurance OF COURSE, from a smaller, state targeted company

A TRUE free market, encourages large amounts of competition, and options, for any service free market is applied to. With less demand on one company, they must increase benefits, or drop prices, to maintain assets... very simple...

where as the alternative basically stunts all of this... do you know how much taxes canada and france have taken???? as compared to the average amount of benefits an individual will actually recieve????


lol tell me i do not understand money... hahahahhaha

Actually, what I was saying was that you didn't understand the Declaration of Independence or our constitution.

I'm the sixth generation to enter medicine in my family, so I know of what I speak of, too, and I'm married to a physician who's been in practice for 23 years. I've also been a very avid consumer of medical services thanks to an unfair share of health issues myself and am a skilled navigator of both our current medical system and the world of health insurance.

I understand free-market economics better than you may realize. I'm working on my fourth degree and am 46 years old. I also understand that 43 million uninsured people who need health care don't benefit from a system like our current one, which is at the mercy of big business and answers to shareholders, not patients in need or their health-care providers.

Yes, I know how other countries' tax rates are. I've traveled to or worked in 22 other countries at one time of another. How many have you spent first-hand time in learning about the benefits and drawbacks of their systems?

You continue to hold onto the misconception that our future health care system in this country will be a completely government-held, government-controlled institution. It will not. Talk to hospital administrators and insurance companies and the health insurers who cover people through Medicare, Medicaid, and children's state-offered health insurance programs today. Read, as you so generously encouraged someone else to do earlier. Mark my words. It's coming. And it'll be a combination private-public system built on the system we have now. There'll still be competition, and people will still have choices. Yep, there'll be bumps in the road. It won't be perfect. It's far from perfect now, however. At least the huge percentage of people who go without care today will have access to it in the future. That, by the way, will drive our medical and health care prices down.

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Originally Posted by Torog

Planned Parenthood's free publicity

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Wow! Cool!
Planned Parenthood rocks!
Thanks for helping to publicize the good work they are doing!

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Originally Posted by psteve

Wow! Cool!
Planned Parenthood rocks!
Thanks for helping to publicize the good work they are doing!

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Howdy psteve,

By "good work",do ya mean genocide of the pre-born ?

Or do ya mean that it's good to have PP in black neighborhoods,gittin rid of black children ?

Or maybe ya mean that ya can go nail some jailbait and git off scott-free for committing statutory rape ?

Say..do y'all got alot of that there 'free love' goin on in Oregon,Netherland ? Yer gonna need a PP on every street corner,if that's the case.

Have a good one ...

first don't assume what i know, that isn't fair.
i haven't really carified my real source of issue with a mandated health insurance... so maybe you can help me through my thinking...

i should be at liberty not to have to pay for anyone's health care, i also think it is against the intrest of freedom, almost all forms of welfare. There will be bumps in the road, but one day we will conceive that... now i have lived far below the poverty line, and as a child i had no insurance for a number of years... yet i was able to receive major medical care, for free thanks to charitable hospitals...

chastize me for using terms such as "big government", but i will never accept that i need to be ran as intricately as i am told i should be...

and you seem hesitant of free market insurance competition... why is governmentized the best option? how will the insurance companies avoid the competition, and consumer guiding, that affects every other market, including auto insurance... (which prices are driven UP in most states, because they are told by the government they must have auto insurance.

by the way, i should also say my uncle and grandfather also owned a state farm office for about 30 years, i also have some knowledge of the insurance systems... but i am willing to be you are an expert

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Originally Posted by birdgirl73

Actually, what I was saying was that you didn't understand the Declaration of Independence or our constitution.

I'm the sixth generation to enter medicine in my family, so I know of what I speak of, too, and I'm married to a physician who's been in practice for 23 years. I've also been a very avid consumer of medical services thanks to an unfair share of health issues myself and am a skilled navigator of both our current medical system and the world of health insurance.

I understand free-market economics better than you may realize. I'm working on my fourth degree and am 46 years old. I also understand that 43 million uninsured people who need health care don't benefit from a system like our current one, which is at the mercy of big business and answers to shareholders, not patients in need or their health-care providers.

Yes, I know how other countries' tax rates are. I've traveled to or worked in 22 other countries at one time of another. How many have you spent first-hand time in learning about the benefits and drawbacks of their systems?

You continue to hold onto the misconception that our future health care system in this country will be a completely government-held, government-controlled institution. It will not. Talk to hospital administrators and insurance companies and the health insurers who cover people through Medicare, Medicaid, and children's state-offered health insurance programs today. Read, as you so generously encouraged someone else to do earlier. Mark my words. It's coming. And it'll be a combination private-public system built on the system we have now. There'll still be competition, and people will still have choices. Yep, there'll be bumps in the road. It won't be perfect. It's far from perfect now, however. At least the huge percentage of people who go without care today will have access to it in the future. That, by the way, will drive our medical and health care prices down.

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Howdy birdgirl,

If you are claiming that PP of Austin,Texas..doesn't exist..then you'd be wrong about that,maam.

Here's a link to their site: Planned Parenthood - Our Health Services

If you are claiming that another Texas location doesn't exist,please let me know.

I did some more digging yesterday and found out that the claims of 10,000 women dying from coat-hanger abortions,used to git RoevWade passed,was totally false and not only that,the advocates for abortion,admitted such..but not until well after the passage of RoevWade.

I've found quite a bit of material on this subject,do I have to post a gigabyte of articles to prove my points ?

Have a good one ...

Wtf, WHY would you want to force random pregnant women who you don't know to ave a baby that they dont want???! That is just cold hearted. You have to think about the womans life. You cant expect someone to go around with something living in her stomache for 9 months, if she doesnt even want it!!!
seriousley i cant beleive your trying to convince us to be "anti- abortion" by saying that PP is raciest, and that the founder went to KKK rallies. i mean seriousley what the fuck does that have to do with abortion??! your using irrelivant shit to try and get people to say "ooooh... maybe abortion is bad, if it's to be associated with the KKK"
well abortions have nothing to do with the KKK (obviousley) abortions are a godsend to women all around the world, and if you were a woman i bet you'd be comforted to know that you dont HAVE to live with a baby in your belly
so yeah, thats my 2cents

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Originally Posted by Turtlez

Wtf, WHY would you want to force random pregnant women who you don't know to ave a baby that they dont want???! That is just cold hearted. You have to think about the womans life. You cant expect someone to go around with something living in her stomache for 9 months, if she doesnt even want it!!!
seriousley i cant beleive your trying to convince us to be "anti- abortion" by saying that PP is raciest, and that the founder went to KKK rallies. i mean seriousley what the f*ck does that have to do with abortion??! your using irrelivant sh*t to try and get people to say "ooooh... maybe abortion is bad, if it's to be associated with the KKK"
well abortions have nothing to do with the KKK (obviousley) abortions are a godsend to women all around the world, and if you were a woman i bet you'd be comforted to know that you dont HAVE to live with a baby in your belly
so yeah, thats my 2cents

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Howdy Turtlez,

I have not been pushing the racism issue..that's what liberals usually do,when they want to discredit a thread or kill the debate on one.

There are more than enuff folks to raise un-wanted babies,so don't think that approach is gonna work,either. I told my daughter a long time ago,that if she gits pregnant,not to abort,that I would raise the child myself. But I don't expect that to happen,because my daughter would never murder her child,just so that it won't 'cramp her style',and she's smart enuff and wise enuff,not to git herself in that position to have to make that decision. What's the other women's excuse ?

Just because a woman is gonna be uncomfortable for 9 months,don't mean that she has the right to murder a new life,that is only temporarily using it's mothers body.

I can't believe that you actually have the gall to say that "abortion is a godsend" !:mad:

I'm pretty dang certain,that God doesn't want irresponsible parents,rapists and incestors,to murder the children that He breathes Life into,by way of abortion and the horrific manner in which it is conducted.

Since RoevWade,over 40 million children have been murdered by abortion and that works out to around 1000 to 1500,children a day,over one million a year..Stop the genocide ! Stop the infanticide ! :mad:

May God have mercy on us all ! :(

Have a good one...

I have a couple things to say to you Torog. First of all, you should be embarrassed, because you constantly start threads on this forum bashing all liberals or left sided issues. You do remember that "Premier Bush" just spent two terms becoming the most hated president in history.

Secondly, my sister in law manages over 10 Planned Parenthoods, helping thousands of women get birthcontrol at an affordable price, and yes an abortion, without the limits of the law.

While I don't agree with all abortion (depends on the age of the fetus and how it will be done), but there are times when an abortion is the ONLY choice. Where do you or any other man have the right to tell a woman that she will die if she has a baby. My girlfriend, for example, cannot have kids. If for some miracle that she does get pregnant (we never use birthcontrols because shes supposed to be sterile) I will support her 100% in SAVING HER OWN LIFE.

Your right sided crap gets annoying. You should probably find some bush-buddie forum and set up shop there, because you don't have many supporters here.