To prohibit Federal grants to or contracts with Columbia University

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Originally Posted by Torog

Howdy Y'all,

I appreciate yer comments on this subject. :)

The flaw with this legislation,is that it only targets one university,it should apply to all universities,because there are many universities,where anti-American and subversive activities are going on.

Denying and banning recruiters and the ROTC from campus's,is contray to citizenship in this country,as all American citizens are expected to do their part in defending the country,if called upon. I don't know about the rest of country,but down here in the South,we see such things as bordering on treason..a deriliction of duty,on the part of American citizens who choose to be whiners and complainers and aiders and abbetters of the enemy.

Ahmadinejad is not an American citizen and does not deserve to be accorded the rights and liberties of an American citizen. Despite the bad publicity,ahmadinejad still benefits from giving him a chance to speak in our country,it elevates his prestige elsewhere.

Have a good one ...

PS: the black and white photo,shows ahmadinejad in '79,one of the ring-leaders of the hostage crisis..where he got his start.[/]

As far as I know, they haven't had the draft since around '71', so I say keep all military dictators off campuses. It is a voluntary Army so if you want to volunteer, I'm sure you could find a recruitment station off campus.[/

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Howdy medicinal,

If universities want to refuse to participate in the duties of being a citizen,then they should lose their federal funding and their alumini should cut off all donations too..many of whom,are veterans. Despite liberals efforts to the contrary,there are still students who do believe in serving their country and they should not have to be required to go off campus to find a military recruiter.

You act as though you think that universities should be declared to be like a foreign embassy,where when ya walk through their doors,it's considered to not be American soil.

I dang sure don't want my tax dollars to support those who ask "What has my country done for me ,today ?"

Have a good one ...

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Originally Posted by medicinal

Howdy medicinal,

If universities want to refuse to participate in the duties of being a citizen,then they should lose their federal funding and their alumini should cut off all donations too..many of whom,are veterans. Despite liberals efforts to the contrary,there are still students who do believe in serving their country and they should not have to be required to go off campus to find a military recruiter.

You act as though you think that universities should be declared to be like a foreign embassy,where when ya walk through their doors,it's considered to not be American soil.

I dang sure don't want my tax dollars to support those who ask "What has my country done for me ,today ?"

Have a good one ...

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Ha! Good lord man, as an advocate of the defence of a nation supportive of free-speech, this is utter hypocricy! You insist that military recruiters should be able to come on campus and try to convince us to fight in wars initiated by the current administration. That you seem to equate loyalty to administrative decisions with patriotism is rediculous enough, but then you turn around and say we should ban the student's right to hear arguments that counter the pro-war propoganda.

I used to respect your opinions Torog, even if I disagree'd with them, but now you're blatant bias in favor of the right has become so absurd I can no longer respect your cantor. Everything you've advocated in this thread indicates that somebody speeking against the war is conspiring with liberals and terrorists and should therefor be disallowed; then you turn around and say anybody speeking in favor of war and military recruitment should have every right to propogandize students! It's unbelievable, everything you've been saying has just been rationalizations for why right-wing propoganda needs to be everywhere and left-wing propoganda should be banned. Free speech my ass, you just advocate indoctination of one strict line of thinking; and that is the totalitarian dictatorship mentality we should all fear, a lot more than ahmadinejad.

I am just curious Torog what you believe will allow you to enter the Kingdom of God? Your post's in this thread sound like you may preach a lot of hate too anyone who is not a Christian. Being a Christian or a member of any other religious group does not earn you free passes into heaven.

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Originally Posted by epxroot

I am just curious Torog what you believe will allow you to enter the Kingdom of God? Your post's in this thread sound like you may preach a lot of hate too anyone who is not a Christian. Being a Christian or a member of any other religious group does not earn you free passes into heaven.

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OMFG. One word. Owned. Seriously, in the best way too.

Wait, you didn't get the memo? Oh my bad. Torog speaks directly to God, I thought that was obvious? :S2:

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Originally Posted by Torog

Ha! Good lord man, as an advocate of the defence of a nation supportive of free-speech, this is utter hypocricy! You insist that military recruiters should be able to come on campus and try to convince us to fight in wars initiated by the current administration. That you seem to equate loyalty to administrative decisions with patriotism is rediculous enough, but then you turn around and say we should ban the student's right to hear arguments that counter the pro-war propoganda.

I used to respect your opinions Torog, even if I disagree'd with them, but now you're blatant bias in favor of the right has become so absurd I can no longer respect your cantor. Everything you've advocated in this thread indicates that somebody speeking against the war is conspiring with liberals and terrorists and should therefor be disallowed; then you turn around and say anybody speeking in favor of war and military recruitment should have every right to propogandize students! It's unbelievable, everything you've been saying has just been rationalizations for why right-wing propoganda needs to be everywhere and left-wing propoganda should be banned. Free speech my ass, you just advocate indoctination of one strict line of thinking; and that is the totalitarian dictatorship mentality we should all fear, a lot more than ahmadinejad.

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Howdy Gandalf,

I don't think that answering the call of duty,is propaganda..defending this country and our allies,is not propaganda..it's the right thing to do.

Do you not agree,that freedom ain't free..that it requires constant vigilance to retain and keep our freedoms ? Are you in agreement with councilman Sandoval in San Francisco,that we should eliminate our military ? Do you think that it's only Americans whom have hearts of evil ? That no evil would be committed in the world,if it were not for America's foreign policy ? Do you even acknowledge that evil exists ? Maybe yer one of them that believes nothing bad would ever happen,if only we all had perfect childhoods ?

Left-wing propaganda,is wholly invested in defeat and counter to all traditional values that have stood the test of time and made this country the greatest country in the history of Man.

Have a good one ...

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Originally Posted by Torog

Howdy KevinFinnerty,

Boy Howdy ! I wish that I could see the look on yer face..:eek:when ya cross over to the Other Side and ya git met by a couple of dead relatives and an angel or 2..and ya suddenly realize that the Bible wasn't just a fairy tale..lol. :)

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You seem to be confused. How am I gonna go to heaven when I adamantly don't believe in the bible? I was under the impression that if you don't buy into that jesus shit, you burn, no matter how perfectly altruistically and morally correct you live your life. Are you saying otherwise? Because that would be pretty blaspehmous. Every "good" Christian knows that the Gandhis of the world are either rotting in hell right or will be as soon as they die.

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Originally Posted by Torog

My belief in God and Jesus,won't be what leads to the downfall of the world,it will be the muslim who believes that he will be rewarded with 72 virgins,for murdering non-muslims..and folks like you,who are eager to excuse any atrocity committed by them,for the glory of Allah.

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Suggesting that the 72 virgin thing is an accurate representation of Islam is like somebody saying that the numerous neonazi-type groups who use Christianity to promote their beliefs are accurately representing Christianity. I'm not excusing atrocities caused by Muslims who use their religion to justify their actions, I'm just saying that shouldn't be an excuse to condemn all Muslims any more than atrocities caused by Christians (or Jews, etc.) who use their religion to justify their actions should be an excuse to condemn all Christians. Goodness knows there are other reasons to condemn religion as a whole as idiotic.

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Originally Posted by Torog

The last thing that I associate with liberals,is common sense..and I ain't too sure about logic and reason,either. Yer trying to use the Christian 'taliban' argument,when in fact it's liberals whom seek to usher in a brutal,oppressive,socialistic and wholly secular,goverment that would crack-down on folks of faith and attempt to ban all religion. Btw,there are plenty of liberal Christians on yer side,as well as liberal Jews,that are in the process of re-writing God's Words to be politically -correct..such as rejecting God's warning about homosexuality and women preachers,some who are gay themselves.

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If you don't respond to anything else I write, answer me this: wouldn't common sense say that Christianity is no more credible than Islam, Judaism, Buddhism, Hinduism, etc., and that it's stupid to believe one religion over another? If you can't honestly answer yes to this question than you're obviously too far gone to make any sort of debate worthwhile. What liberals are trying to crack down on is the government using religion as the basis making decisions and policies, something that Republicans and the Iranian government clearly both have no problems with. You conservatives try to impose on the rest of us morals that have no justification other than that they were found in some random book that you claim was written by a higher power, then you're actually surprised when people take issue with them. One other thing, you getting all worked up about liberals rewriting your precious bible is hilarious considering "God's Words" were rewritten PLENTY of times centuries before you were even born (wait, or was it actually God who was rewriting it those times, but not this time?).

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Originally Posted by Torog

You act as though atheists are a majority in this country,thankfully-they ain't..and alot of em,are too lazy to git out and vote,whereas we have a conservative Christian voting block that is gonna give some candidate a huge number of votes as long as they are pro-life,anti-gay marriage,pro-gun and pro-America and pro-family,as well as believeing that Peace can only be secured through strength.

Have a good one ...

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Two hundred years ago abolitionists weren't a majority in this country, so I guess you would have said to yourself, "gee, I'll just believe what the majority is believing, it must be right." See, this is a perfect illustration of why idiots like yourself continue to believe in Christianity. You think "well, my parent's and their parents and their parents all believed it, so it must be true" which, needless to say, is a stupid reason to believe in something if everything else points to the contrary.

Anybody who supports this bill is an idiot.

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Originally Posted by KevinFinnerty

One other thing, you getting all worked up about liberals rewriting your precious bible is hilarious considering "God's Words" were rewritten PLENTY of times centuries before you were even born (wait, or was it actually God who was rewriting it those times, but not this time?).

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BINGO! Common sense ftw.. it is funny to watch him try to argue his point though, check out the best reply he has for having common sense:

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Originally Posted by Torog

The last thing that I associate with liberals,is common sense..and I ain't too sure about logic and reason,either.

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lmao

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You act as though atheists are a majority in this country,thankfully-they ain't..and alot of em,are too lazy to git out and vote,whereas we have a conservative Christian voting block that is gonna give some candidate a huge number of votes as long as they are pro-life,anti-gay marriage,pro-gun and pro-America and pro-family,as well as believeing that Peace can only be secured through strength.

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And it's sad that we will never know their REAL beliefs. Haha, I bet you still can't see how (any/every) religion ruins societies. These people have to believe that way if they have any hope of being elected, because this overwhelming 'Christian vote' of followers who can't make up their own mind..

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BINGO! Common sense ftw.. it is funny to watch him try to argue his point though, check out the best reply he has for having common sense:

lmao

And it's sad that we will never know their REAL beliefs. Haha, I bet you still can't see how (any/every) religion ruins societies. These people have to believe that way if they have any hope of being elected, because this overwhelming 'Christian vote' of followers who can't make up their own mind..

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amen.

Torog, I'm still waiting for a response to my post. What's the point of starting all these threads if you're just going to run away when shown to be completely wrong?