What's stopping big brother from tapping our internet connection?

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Originally Posted by jakez

LOL are you serious? They are spending what $450 billion a year on the military, $50-60/hr are you kidding me, is that it? An algithorem(sp?) is entirely possible and most likely (unless there is a better method) correct. It's what Google was INVENTED ON YEEEAARSSSS ago. No offense seriously, but you obviously are spreading a lot of misinformation in this thread.

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But unlike everyone on this thread, I am apparently the only one using an ounce of logic. the 50-60/hr is a conservative estimate. It's probably a lot more.

450 Billion is for the entire military. There are thousands of programs, other than personnel, infrastructure and maintenance costs, which eats up the big part of the budget.

Just using the 50 rate, for one analyst, that's 104000 a year, including overhead costs. How many analysts would it take to monitor 1 million people? They're human, to adequately track, compile and interpret the logs would require quite a bit of time, and cost.

You can pull a load of information, but how much information does one have to sift through?

These are elements no one on this thread has even considered. It's just paranoia for the most part. It would be a fiscal waste to do to monitor 300 million people.....they'd have to pick and choose.

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Originally Posted by Anubis10012007

What the government is doing is illegal. They must have a warrant to do a tap or to get ISP records.

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Since when has that ever stopped them?

thcbongman, like I said, it is entirely possible to monitor people tracks online. You act as if there would be someone sitting at a computer watching other people on their computer remotely, of course that is probably impossible. You say you're using logic in your post but I fail to see any logic whatsoever, why would they literally watch what you do lol? That would be ridiculous, it's called technology bro.. think about it like this, they don't need a single person working monitoring this stuff until certain things are triggered through the filtering system. I've already watched videos of current FBI agents showing this technology to a room full of nerds so the point you're trying to make is pretty null.

Well, if "the authorities" can see everything i've written, here and elsewhere, WHY have i not had a visit from the pigs? Coz beleive me, the stuff i talk about with mates is MORE than illegal. They'd nick me instantly - but i've had no shit from anyone.

Who would "they" tap first? out of 300 mil peeps?

and why? Thats just out of the United States! Who would you tap?

privicy! dam privicy!

its illegal to tap phones!

whats next electronic commodes to measure, daily, phat, sugar intake for us all? Check the shit at the door!

The FDA just made a big turn around for revamping their programe

yeah right!


Loose lips still sink ships((


Gorge Bush thinks hes livin in 1874 and wants that "dam gold "in them black hills! This time its oil !

will it come to oppression or depression?

the bible says the birds will b eatin our carcasses!

I better watch that one~~

First off, I'm not LE, but if I were there is so much info here regarding most of us that it would take less than 4 minutes to track down most who use this site. Everything being equal, most people respond truthfully to questions asked here. "Where do you live, where do you work (job type), "send in a picture of yourself," not to mention my space references ( which sadly does list a person's hometown-most often-), additional things I'm forgetting at the moment. Then ISP's and that sort of thing. My guess is that the gov't have bigger fish to fry than people who smoke.

First off, it should be obvious the govt. isn't worried about marijuana growers on the internet... don't think that marijuana is that big of an issue to them. Sure they will use the internet, and they do fight some marijuana crime with it... but be logical.

second, it is obvious that most of the people who hold the power to do so, will trample on any rules, laws, or morals, to continue to prosper.

third, how can you simply think that losing your rights makes you safer? do you really think the public can't protect itself? do you feel unable to protect yourself? please tell me you don't add the terrorist attacks of the past century, or even any major conflict/war, into your thinking...

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Originally Posted by jakez

thcbongman, like I said, it is entirely possible to monitor people tracks online. You act as if there would be someone sitting at a computer watching other people on their computer remotely, of course that is probably impossible. You say you're using logic in your post but I fail to see any logic whatsoever, why would they literally watch what you do lol? That would be ridiculous, it's called technology bro.. think about it like this, they don't need a single person working monitoring this stuff until certain things are triggered through the filtering system. I've already watched videos of current FBI agents showing this technology to a room full of nerds so the point you're trying to make is pretty null.

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Yeah, the technology is Optical Character Recognition (OCR), and in the case of hand-written documents Intelligent Character Recognition (ICR). I done testing on it to implement it for a database. I'm sure it's worse than the technology the CIA, and other intelligent agencies possesses, but I know it's far from perfect. Even in that case, it's doesn't recognize what the data is for. Raw data is useless without standardizing and reconciliation. That's why you need an analyst to interpret it.

Now, you are trying to say I said this isn't possible. I never said that. I said it's fiscally impossible to implement such a system to monitor 300 million Americans at once. Keep constant track of them adequately without anyone falling through the cracks. That's frickin' impossible.

Sure, they can collect a shitload of data, but what would exactly a big log of data do without human interpretation? It's not 24 where they type in someones name, and they have all the current information on that person. Data has to be collected, and reconciled consistently. I can imagine in the future, like 20 years from now, a computer would be able to fully reconcile data. Until then, you need analysts, quite a few of them, and they don't come cheap.

I also want to make clear that I do believe in big brother spying on certain groups of people. They definitely have the capability if they established a target. But if they wanted to start a full-on program to do it to all Americans, at this point in time, it's fiscally impossible.

yeah thanks to the patriotic act, and i dont know if im getting paranoid, but latley ive been seeing cameras going up on every intersection, and there not the cameras that take pictures when you run a red light, there the cameras that are constantley recording things.