The Church and Sexual Repression.

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Originally Posted by JaggedEdge

Lol, I wasn't judging, I was trying my hand at dry humor.

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I really meant, "Hysterically, yes." Not technically.

This is an interesting topic to me because I want to do research on human sexuality after I'm done with school. Coincidentally, I'm reading about child sexual development right now, and how a repressive upbringing can cause serious issues for an adults sexual development and relationships. It can result in serious trust issues and even make the child more vulnerable to abuse. This continues into adulthood, with the individual seeking out abusive relationships because they see that as the norm.
As for myself, I was raised in a very religious family who held very firm and unrealistic beliefs about what was appropriate and inappropriate sexual activity. I was taught that anything aside from kissing was wrong before marriage. Because of this I was left very uninformed when I was trying to figure things out during my adolescence. I didnt have anyone to turn to or ask questions of because I knew that I would be judged harshly as an immoral sinner. As a result I was in an abusive relationship and was easily taken advantage of. I still have serious trust and body image issues, which have a very detrimental effect on my current relationship.

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Originally Posted by JaggedEdge

I was reading a passage in the book I mentioned in the other thread and it really got me thinking about my own child hood. The circumcision aspect really got me thinking. Luckily for me, at around 16-17 a began realizing things just didn't add up. The guilt subsided and I was able to freely explore sex without the threat of fire and brimstone. So luckily, it really didn't play an aspect in my relationships the way it did with some of the guys you knew BG. My fear of women did it. haha.

It's almost like it's a game, to see how taboo they can make normal sex acts. I was always taught priests are expected to remain celibate because loving a woman intimately would detract from their loving relationship with god. Moving pedo priests around so they don't get caught is o.k., but screwing a hooker is strictly forbidden. The hypocrisy of it all.

I also learned in "god is not Great," that there were several babies in NY that contracted the herpes virus from a moil (can't find the correct spelling) how followed an ancient Jewish tradition where the sucks on the circumcision wound.

That isn't really in relation to this post, but I just remembered that and thought it was interesting.

My mind feels like scrambled eggs right now...

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Please explain the part in bold. I guess your brain was on drugs on that moment due to the poor grammar.

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Originally Posted by jdmarcus59

as a well read christian, do I think you will go to hell for um...spanking the monkey?
NO, no you wont.

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Well, that is what is taught irregardless of the fact the Bible does not mention masturbation.

Here is my story of Christian extremism.

YouTube - Re: Jesus Camp Trailer

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Originally Posted by JaggedEdge

Why are most religions so insistent on repressing natural, sexual urges?

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has nothing to do with religion at all, but with human nature. Humans naturally want to control and dominate over other humans. Religions are just the most popular forms of control humans use on one another.

Take Christianity for example, it doesn't clearly say in the bible sex is evil, so why do so many Christians think so? Because their parents taught them so, and it just follows down the line. Really has nothing to do at all with religion, but more about parents afraid of talking to their kids about sex, that's really what it's about. They don't trust them enough so they use the fear of hell to scare them into doing what they want them to do, which is, not have sex until they are married.

Maybe, you are supposed to look for love and pleasure, not find it within.

You know the famous word of the Potheads: Share.

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Originally Posted by Nailhead

has nothing to do with religion at all, but with human nature. Humans naturally want to control and dominate over other humans. Religions are just the most popular forms of control humans use on one another.

Take Christianity for example, it doesn't clearly say in the bible sex is evil, so why do so many Christians think so? Because their parents taught them so, and it just follows down the line. Really has nothing to do at all with religion, but more about parents afraid of talking to their kids about sex, that's really what it's about. They don't trust them enough so they use the fear of hell to scare them into doing what they want them to do, which is, not have sex until they are married.

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Kill Gays
"If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives." (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)

Kill adulterers
If a man commits adultery with another man's wife, both the man and the woman must be put to death. (Leviticus 20:10 NLT)

Burn her to death
A priest's daughter who loses her honor by committing fornication and thereby dishonors her father also, shall be burned to death. (Leviticus 21:9 NAB)

And the man she had sex with has to...Oh, it's not a sin for a man to fornicate only for women.

Kill women who are not virgins on their wedding night
But if this charge is true (that she wasn't a virgin on her wedding night), and evidence of the girls virginity is not found, they shall bring the girl to the entrance of her fathers house and there her townsman shall stone her to death, because she committed a crime against Israel by her unchasteness in her father's house. Thus shall you purge the evil from your midst. (Deuteronomy 22:20-21 NAB)

But if she broke her hymen through exercise or masturbation, I guess she is screwed. Wait, not screwed, stoned. The kind where they throw rocks at you until you die.

God punishes gays
26For this reason God gave them over and abandoned them to vile affections and degrading passions. For their women exchanged their natural function for an unnatural and abnormal one,
27And the men also turned from natural relations with women and were set ablaze (burning out, consumed) with lust for one another--men committing shameful acts with men and suffering in their own [a]bodies and personalities the inevitable consequences and penalty of their wrong-doing and going astray, which was [their] fitting retribution.
Romans 1:26-27 (AMP)

Horny for women? going to hell
27"You have heard that it was said, 'Do not commit adultery. 28But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart. 29If your right eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell.
Matthew 5:27-29 (NIV)

Gays go to hell
9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals,nor sodomites, 10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God.
1 Corinthians 6:9,10 (NKJV)

Penalty for rape: a fine
If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her.

(Deuteronomy 22:28-29 NLT)

What kind of lunatic would make a rape victim marry her attacker? Answer: God.

Death for not screaming while getting raped
If within the city a man comes upon a maiden who is betrothed, and has relations with her, you shall bring them both out of the gate of the city and there stone them to death: the girl because she did not cry out for help though she was in the city, and the man because he violated his neighbor's wife.
(Deuteronomy 22:23-24 NAB)

Hey, "God" said it, not me.

One more thing, with all the laws written in the Bible with some really obscure specific things (there is a law saying you cannot eat any insects except for katydids, locusts, grasshoppers), I have not found one against molesting children. I guess all priests go to Heaven.

^I haven't read as much of the old testament as I would have hoped...sorry, I just found part 2 a bit more interesting lol

I don't want to change the topic by suggesting Christianity has been manipulated to fit in with popular thinking, but even if Christianity didn't exist, there would be some other popular religion condemning natural human behavior, (sex).

I felt uncomfortable with my own sexuality until about a year or two ago. Going from being a kid and being told that sex and masturbation is evil and then suddenly having everyone tell you "Oh it's okay, everyone does it" can be one helluva mind job.