"We Muslims Living in America are getting sick of this crap

Torog:
First and foremost, I never called anyone a racist redneck, because I'm not the insulting type. Second, don't assume you know anything about my liberal psyche. I don't feel the need the make friends with everyone. I feel the need to treat everybody equally initially and build relationships. I feel the need to correct people when they make gross generalizations about cultures they don't understand.

You say you've been to Saudi Arabia, and I'll tell you this: the only thing worse than making assumptions about people you've never met is making assumptions about people you've barely met. I many muslim friends, some were born here, some immigrated. None of them hate the US (well, not before Bush, anyway...) and none of them believe Islam to be a violent religion.

The only christians to violent are those attacked? Violence does not limit itself to acts. Words can cause far more terror and hatred and pain than actions.

You know, here's problem #1: Americans such as yourself seem to think there's only 2 sides to everything. Just because I don't like what you're saying, doesn't mean I'm supporting the other side. I denounce hatred and misinformation on all sides. If I could talk to one of the terrorrists (assuming I wouldn't seriously injure him first), I'd argue with him a million times more than I do with you.

I don't support propaganda, I support the truth. The articles you consistently put up here are pure propaganda, and are half-truths. That's what's the most frustrating. They always start with something that might be true but then don't reveal the entire concept. Let's take Libertarian Toker's example of the red apple. Sure it's red, nobody can deny that. But it is completely red? Is there a green spot? Is it big, small, round, oval? Is it smooth, bruised, thick or thin skinned?

I'm far from being a bleeding heart liberal. Think hard before you throw that out.

Libertarian Toker:
You do the same thing Torog does. Just because I said Christianity is violent, doesn't mean I don't think Islam CAN be violent.

What I'm saying is that Islamic terrorrists are about as religiously correct as David Koresh. They are equally disturbed and both dangerously misinterpret the Bible or the Koran.

Maybe you should read something written about Islam that is NOT written by an American. Don't you realize that politicians and their journalists will tell you exactly what you want to hear? So many people sadly think as you do, and the media constantly reinforces their view by presenting it as fact. Think outside the box, buddy, you might be surprised at what you find out...

torog hurts my head, so i called him a racist redneck, i doubt he just hates musslims im sure he hates all arabs. and if you cant tolerate someone different than yourself and believes different things than you, you are a redneck, thats what the definition is in my book.

hey torog, dont feel bad just because they are inferring that you are a facist, i can think of plenty great leaders who were facists, Hitler, Mussolini, Bush... its not really a bad thing

"Tell me Ghost, what good does it do to post a prejudice saying to protest a prejudice article?"

I remember asking why youre sticking up for this kind of thing, I dont rememeber making any prejudice remarks.

Secondly, I dont think any kind of prejudism is right, and no, I dont hate Torog, I just hate some of the things he says. Trust me, if somebody came on here saying "All Christians are evil, murderous, blah blah blah" I would disagree with it, also. But they didnt.

Thirdly, why is everyone saying I called Torog a redneck? I think Torog's an alright guy, I just dont like the fact that he hates who hes told to hate, and does it with a passion. Hes probably never even met a muslim, but he hates them all. Hes definately never needed an abortion, but hes against the idea of abortions. He probably has no homosexual friends, and yet he believes theres a big homosexual conspiracy going on. He probably hates black people, jewish people, and people with large feet, too. He needs to start thinking for himself.

"your liberal psyche believes that you must make friends with everyone"

Damn. I'd love to make friends with everyone if I could, and im fucking proud of it. In fact, I cant think of a single reason why anyone WOULDNT wanna make friends with everyone.

^Because its easier to blow them up.

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"Just because I said Christianity is violent, doesn't mean I don't think Islam CAN be violent."

I didn't say what your implying I said or did. I said you were excusing islams violence, not claiming it didn't exist.

"What I'm saying is that Islamic terrorrists are about as religiously correct as David Koresh."

Naw, what you seemed to be saying was muslims are not so bad if ya compare them to christians. You parade your ignorence of muslims, and then do the very thing you claim Torog should not do, and that is to think you know the whole because you have met a few. I don't know about you, but in my book living in a country that is run by islam kind of spanks having a few muslim buddys in Canada.

"They are equally disturbed and both dangerously misinterpret the Bible or the Koran."

Yep, that's true enough.

"Maybe you should read something written about Islam that is NOT written by an American."

Maybe you should not assume I haven't.

" Don't you realize that politicians and their journalists will tell you exactly what you want to hear?"

I understand that a lot of people will do that. It is not confined to politicians and their journalists.

"So many people sadly think as you do"

And what is it that I think?

"and the media constantly reinforces their view by presenting it as fact."

Sorry, but it truely is a fact that islam is violent. Good grief man, wake up and smell the folgers. It's not the media, it's the muslims doing the reinforcing. If islam is not part of the violence, why does the majority not denounce the terroristic eliment in their ranks that use violence? Islam uses violence. If you can't see that, your blind.

"Think outside the box, buddy, you might be surprised at what you find out."

You may want to practice what you preach a little. Propaganda is not limited to just the right. You sound like so many others I have discussed this with. That leads me to believe that your all eating from the same dish. Mind control??? Propagation??? Who is and who isn't effected by it? Do you think your not? I can see the propagation in your words the same as you can it in Torog's. So what does that mean? Am I wrong, and you really do hold the actual truth?

Toker

Your right ghost, I mixed you up with the other guy. My mistake. I apologize for that mix up.

"He probably hates black people, jewish people, and people with large feet, too. He needs to start thinking for himself."

Then you go on to say some hatefull shit like that. Why would you make acusations against someone you don't know are true if you want to make friends with everyone and your proud of it? I happen to know that he doesn't hate his girl friend.

Toker

LT, you know exactly what I meant by what I said. Most of Torogs opinions come from either the Bush administration or his religion.