In the beginning was the Word . . .
I can see that, natureisawsome. How about we go through these in context? S.L.O.W.L.Y let me get a feel of where 'you' are coming from. :cool:
There is no doubt in my mind that Jesus came in the flesh. That is not where we are in disagreement. Christ revealed to us the truth and he showed to us the light of God. Through His life, His death, and His resurrection, we have heard the â??word â??of the father, and have been made known the power, the all encompassing love of God, which is the good news of Christâ??s gospel.
Junk
In the beginning was the Word . . .
Take this in jest but.....
BIBLE FIGHT :p
In the beginning was the Word . . .
aliright Junkyard, let's start with this one:
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John 20:27-29
27Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.
28And Thomas answered and said unto him, My LORD and my God.
29Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.
This is crazy junkyard, there is no other interpreation. I showed you numerous examples. JUst believe. JEsus Christ is God, and if you deny him you deny the father. Why do you think they called him LORD? That's a title for GOD. " We have seen the LORD".
Here we ahve god speaking to his son, clearly adressing him as God. No confusion here:
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But unto the Son he [God] saith, Thy throne, O God is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. Hebrews 1:8
In the beginning was the Word . . .
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Originally Posted by Hardcore Newbie
Take this in jest but.....
BIBLE FIGHT :p
No fight here, Hardcore. The man might be on to something. :smokin:
In the beginning was the Word . . .
JY,
Check out the link below to my current grow log. Don't overlook the video in the first post. :jointsmile:
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The biggest misconception about God is that he is three "persons". This is NOT sound doctrine. God is ONE.
I hear some preachers on here saying that Jesus is God, but not the Father.
If Jesus is God, but not the Father, then you are saying that there is more than one God. This is not true, cause God is ONE.
The most important teaching that most people fail to understand is that Jesus is both son of man and Son of God.
If you understand what this means, you can understand God.
The Son of God is God himself. God is a Spirit. The Lord is that Spirit. There is ONE Lord. Jesus is LORD.
The Son of God has no beginning of days or end of life. He has no decent. No father or mother. He abideth a high priest continually.
We know that Jesus (son of man) was born through Mary his mother, and Joseph was his father.
According to the bible, only the Father is to be worshipped. Didn't believers fall down and worship Jesus?
Jesus says that where two or three are gathered together in his name that he is there in the midst of them.
How can Jesus be present with them if he isn't the Holy Spirit?
Jesus says that if you see him, you see the Father. You don't see qualities, you see an image. Jesus is the image of the invisible God.
In the beginning was the Word . . .
Pass that s**t,
You are right that God is one and that Jesus is God.
But I just want to mention that I feel your user name is very crude, and I don't feel good about not saying aything. I feel It's not something Christ like and If God is in you I think it isn't a very good way to let Christ shine through you to the rest of the world. Not trying to attack you or anything, but just saying I can't possibly consider Christ saying " pass that s**t.
In the beginning was the Word . . .
I'll attempt to explain my view as good as I can, cool?
The first scripture you quoted shows the separation between the son of man, and the father's Spirit dwelling in the Son of man; Thomas recognized both, Jesus as Lord, (Master) the inner dwelling of God's fullness the other. "My Lord and my God"
Jesus was the son of man, [Flesh] Christ the son of God. [Spirit] Christ means annointed one; annointed also refers to spirit, and/or oil in biblical language. Jesus would be correctly referred to as "Jesus the annointed one" Not "God"
Then there is Hebrews, and the part you failed to post:
Hebrews 1
1. IN MANY and various ways God spoke of old to our fathers by the prophets;
2. but in these last days he has spoken to us by a Son, whom he appointed the heir of all things, through whom also he created the world, or [ages]
Here, the author who is 'unknown' speaks about God's son. [Christ] "Through", which is a very curious word implies a primary preposition denoting the channel of an act; through (in very wide applications, local, causal, or occasional):
--after, always, among, at, to avoid, because of (that), briefly, by, for (cause)...fore, from, in, by occasion of, of, by reason of, for sake, that, thereby, therefore, X though, through(-out), to, wherefore, with(-in). In composition it retains the same general import.
VERY wide applications, imo. Consider also [world] which means "a Messianic period" or age
3. He reflects the glory of God and bears the very stamp of his nature, upholding the universe by his word of power. When he had made purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high,
Again, this speaks of Christ who is now sitting at the right hand of the Father. If Christ was God, how can he be sitting at the right hand of the father?
o.k. so my head is hurting from research, lol.
Resume tomorrow?
Junk
In the beginning was the Word . . .
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Originally Posted by Pass That Shit
JY,
Check out the link below to my current grow log. Don't overlook the video in the first post. :jointsmile:
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The biggest misconception about God is that he is three "persons". This is NOT sound doctrine. God is ONE.
I hear some preachers on here saying that Jesus is God, but not the Father.
If Jesus is God, but not the Father, then you are saying that there is more than one God. This is not true, cause God is ONE.
The most important teaching that most people fail to understand is that Jesus is both son of man and Son of God.
If you understand what this means, you can understand God.
The Son of God is God himself. God is a Spirit. The Lord is that Spirit. There is ONE Lord. Jesus is LORD.
The Son of God has no beginning of days or end of life. He has no decent. No father or mother. He abideth a high priest continually.
We know that Jesus (son of man) was born through Mary his mother, and Joseph was his father.
According to the bible, only the Father is to be worshipped. Didn't believers fall down and worship Jesus?
Jesus says that where two or three are gathered together in his name that he is there in the midst of them.
How can Jesus be present with them if he isn't the Holy Spirit?
Jesus says that if you see him, you see the Father. You don't see qualities, you see an image. Jesus is the image of the invisible God.
I can go with most of what you say, only the language bothers me. Christ was the manifestation of God's spirit; I get that. The fullness of deity dwelt within Him bodily; I get that. The son of man, son of God, I get that too. Only, the son of God was just that, the "son" of God. Can you separate "Christ" from Jesus; yes! He did it, and so can we. Can you separate God from Christ; yes. He did it, so can we. Jesus never exalted himself, but always sought to glorify the father. I imagine that when people worshiped him, they worshiped the Father within...not the image of the man!
Tell me, are you what you look like? Is your appearance you, or are you something else? Our bodies are images, PTS but they are not who we are. We are much more than our shells. We are defined by our characters, qualities, and spirit.
When I die, I pray God I'm not remembered by what I look like, lol. I pray I will be remembered by my contributions, my character, my inner qualities, and by the spirit I walked in. This is where God is in us, and we in God. All and in all through his spirit.
Jesus is Lord, or [Master] but he is not God himself; Christ was the essence of God, but only by the indwelling of God's spirit. Jesus was a Vessel, but not the father himself, only a full representation of the father "inwardly".
God's spirit is God's Word; Christ carried His Word to the cross. God raised Jesus from the Grave and several days later, he ascended to sit at the right hand of the father.
That's the beauty of salvation. A son of man exalted to such a level is not a thing to overlook. If he were infact God, our faith is in vain (IMO) Jesus conquered his human attributes through God's spirit, and we are to follow in his footsteps. He did not leave us comfortless, he is recieving us to himslef daily.
The Bible is fairly clear about who christ was, and about his relationship with the Father.
God is the source, all things radiate from God. God's spirit is God's essence, and Christ was the manifestation of God's essence. All of which share a common bond . . .
Love
In the beginning was the Word . . .
natureisawesome,
Don't let my screen name offend you. I selected that name when registering in here as a joke. I would have liked to change it, but as far as I know, the site does not allow it. Besides, to me, words are not curses. Cursing is when you curse God in your heart, which I do not.
By the way, are you a Cannabis user?
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To the site moderators.....
Do you consider s**t a curse? Cause I was told that curses are not allowed in thread titles so I'm wondering why I was allowed to select this screen name? Can my screen name be changed so others don't take offence to it?
In the beginning was the Word . . .
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Originally Posted by natureisawesome
Pass that s**t,
You are right that God is one and that Jesus is God.
But I just want to mention that I feel your user name is very crude, and I don't feel good about not saying aything. I feel It's not something Christ like and If God is in you I think it isn't a very good way to let Christ shine through you to the rest of the world. Not trying to attack you or anything, but just saying I can't possibly consider Christ saying " pass that s**t.
But do you believe that Jesus is God the Father?
Most christians on here say that Jesus is God, but deny that he is the Father. If you deny that Jesus is the Father,
you are in agreement with Junk without knowing it.
