If god was real?

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Originally Posted by MajMike

I see folks say here that they don't believe in God, or 'hate' God, or Jesus, or religion in general, and that certainly is their right. But I wonder whose God or what religion they are talking about, because what they are really angry at is what men have done in God's name and how they use religion to divide mankind rather than unite them.

There are those of all faiths (and none), who speak and act as if they alone have Truth. Bombasts and fanatics from all sides shout at those of us in the middle trying to make some sense of it all, as each wo/man must eventually do for themselves.

Holiness, or spirituality, is in right action. Any man who cherishes peace, brotherhood, and charity is my friend, no matter his beliefs.

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first, i don't base anything off man... every, EVERY religion claims to have a loving wise god...

my thoughts come directly FROM the thought of a loving god.... how could any loving god let such travest and tragedy happen day in and day out? .... it's really a question no believer ever cares to answer.... instead they push it off with something else... as an example "it's god's will" or "god's plan"...

which of course only furthers in my mind you have no idea what the hell your worshiping and are only doing so out of many many many many many generations of 'habbit'

i'd love for any religious person to explain it to me, but simply, it CANNOT be done... the only two explinations are A. there is a god, but he doesn't give as much of as everyone makes it out to be, or B. there is no god... and human's just NEED something to explain why they're here instead of just a chance occurance...

it's as simple as that... i can't prove anything... but i do believe my cases for 'no god' are a hell of alot stronger then any believers case for 'there is a god' are, have ever been, or ever will be... which is where i derive my faith from...

do i believe in a 'high power'? yeah... do i believe in any god that any religion has explained? not really... the closest thing to describe my beleif is a cosmic force of right and wrong, and equalization...

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Originally Posted by Pass That Shit

If you are real, then God is real too. How did you get here?
If science can't even prove the beginning of man how can it prove the beginning of God?
If you don't see proof, look around. If you still don't see it, that's all you're gonna get.
And if you keep screaming F God, it will be the oil man getting F'd in the end.

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If you are real, then the Tooth Fairy is real too. How did you get here ?
If science can't even prove the beginning of man, how can it prove the beginning of the Tooth Fairy ?
If you don't see proof, look around. If you still don't see it, that's all you're gonna get.
And if you keep screaming FUCK the Tooth Fairy, it will be you getting FUCKED in the end.

I understand your position, and I agree there is no way to prove the existence of a God to you or anyone else.

The human perception of 'God' is subject to the same limitations we are, so whenever one speaks of 'God' they are talking about something so beyond their comprehension as to be ridiculous. And what understanding we do have is so diluted and corrupted by man as to be almost useless, and we must get it from a variety of middlemen of all stripes.

I believe in God, but accept that I will never in this lifetime completely understand Him. I am a Christian, but I believe in the Jesus from the Sermon on the Mount, the loving and merciful Healer, not the one who will send to hell all who do not accept Him here on this Earth.

Those who worship from habit, and cannot even express their beliefs are the false ones, and they have soured me towards organized religion all my life. They don't even know what they really believe, but are more than willing to tell me what to believe. I understand your disgust, and share it too.

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Originally Posted by darth stoner

If you are real, then the Tooth Fairy is real too. How did you get here ?
If science can't even prove the beginning of man, how can it prove the beginning of the Tooth Fairy ?
If you don't see proof, look around. If you still don't see it, that's all you're gonna get.
And if you keep screaming FUCK the Tooth Fairy, it will be you getting FUCKED in the end.

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lmfao... despite our 'diffrences' dude you crack me up...

This shit has been beaten to death..

We dont know if there is or is not a god..

just LIVE and then find out once you die..

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Originally Posted by MajMike

I understand your position, and I agree there is no way to prove the existence of a God to you or anyone else.

The human perception of 'God' is subject to the same limitations we are, so whenever one speaks of 'God' they are talking about something so beyond their comprehension as to be ridiculous. And what understanding we do have is so diluted and corrupted by man as to be almost useless, and we must get it from a variety of middlemen of all stripes.

I believe in God, but accept that I will never in this lifetime completely understand Him. I am a Christian, but I believe in the Jesus from the Sermon on the Mount, the loving and merciful Healer, not the one who will send to hell all who do not accept Him here on this Earth.

Those who worship from habit, and cannot even express their beliefs are the false ones, and they have soured me towards organized religion all my life. They don't even know what they really believe, but are more than willing to tell me what to believe. I understand your disgust, and share it too.

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not cuz you 'agree' with me, but i can respect you... i respect anyoen like you... imo, to believe in a god as christianity (or any modern religion) has described, is just kinda ignorant... there's just way too many inconsistancies...

if you were to label me it would have to be athiest... but even the slightest diffrence in anything could of mean there would of never been earth, much less life.... and how we got here here in the first place...

maybe it's the human need to explain the unexplainable... i don't believe in 'god' but i do believe there i somthing out there, far higher and more complicated then the human mind could even begin to grasp... it honestly just doesn't make sense to think otherwise...

but i accept i'll never be able to explain it, i accept humankind will probably never even advance enough to begin to comprehend it, and i accept even thousands worth of the research could never really explain any of it...

i do what is right, and i let morals guide me, not a book written by man, and not living in fear of a magical man in the sky (as christianity has taught for thousands of years... you know, B.C./A.D. was only a refrence of time, i see alot of atheists talking about how jesus created christianity... when in reality it'd been around much longer before him..

but that's also how you can tell those who've read the bible (actually gave it all a chance) and those who have never bothered... i mean even in the begining it talks about people living 5-700+ years... alhtough not direct, that adds nearly another milenia alone... so it's been around for awhile...

anyways... i even admit i COULD be wrong, there COULD be a god up there just as all is explained, i just don't think it's likely, and i'm ready to face the consequences for eternal damnation..

i think alot of atheists do too... like i said, if god were real, it would be far beyond our comprehension level... so there's no way we could even know what would happen...

i honestly believe hell is to keep people in check (and tha'ts why it was brought up) and heaven is to help greiving families... maybe our said 'creator' doesn't even care either way, maybe it doesn't even have power over anything other then starting it all...

again, this is some ultimate being.. if it were to be true as detailed and explained, we'd be far off from even being able to contemplate it.. shit, there are things humans can do that even take computers years to calculate.. and computers are supperior when it comes to calculations... (hardware folding for instance, google it)

how does anyone think we'd have the brain power to even begin to contemplate it? and that's what's always turned me off it.. people talking like they know, when they couldn't even begin to posssibly GUESS...

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Originally Posted by darth stoner

If you are real, then the Tooth Fairy is real too. How did you get here ?
If science can't even prove the beginning of man, how can it prove the beginning of the Tooth Fairy ?
If you don't see proof, look around. If you still don't see it, that's all you're gonna get.
And if you keep screaming FUCK the Tooth Fairy, it will be you getting FUCKED in the end.

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LOL!!!

FUCK the tooth fairy, and I hope she FUCKS me back in the end!!!:D

From memory so far, you believe in Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny and the Tooth Fairy. Is that your version of the trinity? :D

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Originally Posted by geonagual

This shit has been beaten to death..

We dont know if there is or is not a god..

just LIVE and then find out once you die..

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but we no theres no god........

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Originally Posted by Pass That Shit

LOL!!!

FUCK the tooth fairy, and I hope she FUCKS me back in the end!!!:D

From memory so far, you believe in Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny and the Tooth Fairy. Is that your version of the trinity? :D

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shit, you found out :(

Will you think from now on I'm insane for believing in santa, the bunny and the fairy ?

Now you know how I feel about religious people!

I'll get back to praying to the Holy Bunny now :rastasmoke:

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Originally Posted by Oil_Man

but we no theres no god........

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You dont know anything...at least for sure