A great teacher is one that can motivate a student to want to learn. There arn't too many great teachers around anymore.
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A great teacher is one that can motivate a student to want to learn. There arn't too many great teachers around anymore.
Hmm I did NOT get it...:wtf: Maybe it takes a little while...Quote:
Originally Posted by PhotoExtremist
[email protected]...riiiight? :jointsmile:
Okay, I GOT this one. A reply should be comin' round the mountain when she comes...Quote:
Originally Posted by PhotoExtremist
Peace. :jointsmile:
You can't say there aren't some shitty teachers out there. There are those who reach out to their students and try and help the ones who are struggling (not due to being lazy) and there are those who don't give two shits and hate their job. If all a sudent is supposed to do is look in a book and find the information on there own, what is the purpose of even having a teacher.Quote:
Originally Posted by rebgirl420
The whole idea of being a teacher is to "teach" not to have the kids teach themselves. Yes, the student needs to study too, but the fact of the matter is there are a lot of bad teachers out there. I have come across quit a few in both public and private schools as well as at my current college.
I have also come across some amazing teachers in my school history in all three areas.
Don't resent the fact that I think some teachers deserve to be fired. Simply don't become on of them yourself. Care about your students and do what you can to help them suceed. Don't pass kids simply to get them the hell out your class or because you feel bad for them.
There are garbage men that suck at their jobs, why do you expect it to be any different with teachers.
I come from an area with some of the worst schools in the country, so that has a lot to do with my views to.
think dude, how many kids really give a shit about doing well in school? the majority of the ones who do only do well out of fear what their parents will do to them if they dont do well. kids like myself gave up because of lack of motivation from the school systems. kids like myself can be told over and over again to do well, but in the end, they go to school and they make the choice. the kids must be motivated and thats it. if they dont like it badly enough, they wont do it, and the teachers make us like it. my school is full of kids like myself.Quote:
Originally Posted by Its a Plant
i apologize for the novel in advance. feel free to not read it, all i ask is that if anyone wants to reply to it, read the whole thingQuote:
Originally Posted by rebgirl420
no, it really isnt the students fault. not totally, anyway. for the first time this semester, and i am someone who loves history, i actually had a good history teacher. ive had teachers ive liked before, yes, but this is the only guy who was able to show why and how the history we are learning is really relevant today and also illustrated why the world is today the way it is, welcoming everyones opinions and also giving us the facts. im going to get an a in the class, but that isnt the point. if you think you are getting more out of school by getting your as then y ou are just flat wrong and thats the bottom line of whats wrong about the us education system. there is memorizing formulas and passages from books, which is effort, and im not badmouthing effort in any way, but then there is really really learning and actually taking something away from the class. and in highschool i have to say i liked probably a third of my teachers, but id also have to say i only had 2 or three that id say were truly great teachers.
now im not saying the kids are always that way, you have to want to learn, but a great teacher of an interesting subject with substance(ie not math, but even math if it can have a practical application), can make most people want to learn.
to wrap this up, if your point is that kids getting bad grades is no the teachers fault, i agree with you. as someone who has gotten plenty of both good and bad grades i can say it is all about effort. however, if you are saying that kids getting nothing out of a class has n othing to do with the teacher, i whole heartedly disagree. i can really say that i got very little out of highschool, and that at the next level the percentage of really good teachers is significantly than it is in highschool. the mistake i think people make, and i heard a woman who went to harvard say this one time, is the disparity of teachers between the so called good and bad schools in america. i went to a decent state university and am now at a community college and i can safely say there were very good teachers at both, and i dont see how anyone could be more qualified for some.
OK, I'm a former teacher and was a fairly good one. At least my students did well and I got teaching award, but I think I was probably a born teacher anyway because I was raised by parents who were teachers.
I do believe there are bad teachers out there. I've seen them myself. I was lucky enough to teach in an upper-middle-class suburban public school district where the kids were all well fed, well housed and well taken care of, and IQ scores correspond directly with income levels. So that district had the money and the power to hire only good teachers with good grades and the kids did exceptionally well, 95% of them gaining entrance into good universities. The inner-city public school districts here in Texas and throughout the south have two problems. First, they are where the poorest families live, meaning those districts educate the poorest students. Again, IQ scores across the country correspond directly with socioeconomic status. That's not fair, but it's a fact. IQ has a lot more to do other things besides family income, however. Educated parents make more money but they also approach the educations of their children differently, too, doing things like regularly reading to their kids, limiting their TV, overseeing homework, staying in close touch with schools and teachers, providing better food (for better brain development). So the poverty factor is one strike against urban public school districts.
Strike two is that those inner-city districts also don't have the luxury of extra stipend money to pay differential (increased) teacher salaries since the property taxes that support those districts aren't as high as in the more affluent suburbs. So the inner-city districts get the teachers who didn't do so well in college and who can't get hired in other places. It's heartbreaking that the kids who can least afford to get an inferior education inevitably end up getting just that. In the wealthier districts with the more involved parents, kids would be better equipped to overcome a bad teacher, but, with only rare exceptions, the better teachers gravitate to the better, wealthier districts. What's the most important contributor to helping people climb out of poverty and change their socioeconomic status? It's education. So the low-income/inferior educational quality problem is part of a vicious cycle.
I am convinced that, even with quality differences in teachers, it's still far too easy to blame the school systems and the teachers. The truth is that kids only spend 7 or so hours at school for 9 months a year, whereas parents have them the rest of the time. Parents are the make-or-break factor when it comes to educational success. Supervision. Reading. Insistence on homework and educationally stimulating activities. Limits on TV. Early childhood development. Emotional and family stability. Nutrition. Those all play a tremendous role in educational success--far more than teachers or school districts.
We don't have a culture in the United States that values education, children or families. It values business. The sad thing is that if we don't pay more heed to education (and here I don't so much mean money but making it a priority as, say, Japan and other countries who're beating our socks off in math and science do), we'll continue to fall behind in business as well. It's already happening.
like i said, if you are talking about grades, blame the kids, if you are talking about truly teaching and making a lasting impression, blame the teacher. to me, insistence on homework is a problem with the us educational system. but so few people agree with me. my point is you should get something more out of school than grades and a piece of paper. personally i think most people look at the issue totally wrong. it seems most people care about "educational success" whereas i care about learning and becoming a better and generally more intelligent person.
what i mean is like in conversation, most places i am, and im really not trying to be a prick here but whenever something comes up in any way academic or trivial i can usual tell who really knows what they are talking about(whether it is me or someone else) and really only about 2 people i still talk to from highschool sounds like more often than they dont, and whats more is they dont try to bullshit what they dont know whereas most people do.
if you cant apply knowledge and you think that good grades mean a successful education, which about everyone does, then the us will never have a good non higher education system.
honestly if the national gpa went up a full point i really dont think anyone would notice a difference in day to day life. that is my point about grades. if you think american kids getting better grades or standardized test scores means the education system is better, well i cant say you are wrong, but i will say i dont agree with you.
i could rant on this for days but i am getting the feeling i am just starting to repeat myself
i agree about pverty being a huge factor. poor education is just one part of the vicious cycle of poverty.
I've always mocked Police officers because for the most part many of them have a High School level of Education which is equal too that of a grade school child's Education in other countries... So pretty much the people who are looking down their noses at me cause I remind them of the kid that pissed on the drivers seat of his Mom's car the one day she let him drive it to school, are just inferior and undereducated sexually frustrated kids that can't stand the fact that some guy with dreadlocks had a 3.5 GPA at a university ( yeh I know that's not the best but still) and also has 2.5 children and a HOUSE, not a one room apartment where women shall never enter, a HOUSE... fuck da police lol.. I'm raging (but in a very positive attitude) tonight wtf did I just rant on about?...
A lot of this post bothered me I'm sorry, I don't really want to comment on any of it so I'll just quote the one sentence fragment that made me give up on posting :(Quote:
Originally Posted by birdgirl73