Why God does not exist, in one sentence.
WASHINGTON (Feb. 11) - Scientists using a robotic NASA probe have determined with precision the age of the universe -- 13.7 billion years -- and figured out when stars began to shine.
Astronomers have been closing in on these numbers for decades, but a spacecraft now about a million miles from Earth was able to look back to nearly the dawn of time to find the answers, NASA researchers said on Tuesday.
Stars started shining just 200 million years after the theoretical Big Bang, scientists said in announcing findings of the so-called WMAP mission, which gazed on the universe when there were no stars, no galaxies, nothing except minute differences in temperature.
These temperature differences were as little as one-millionth of a degree, but that was enough to create vast hot and cold spots that signaled the beginning of the clumping that eventually became every known structure in the universe, the scientists said.
WMAP -- short for Wilkinson Microwave Anisotopy Probe -- looked back in time to just 380,000 years after the Big Bang explosion that many astronomers believe gave birth to the universe. That is further back in time than even the orbiting Hubble Space Telescope can see.
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I remember scientists claiming the exact age of the universe was 10 billion years a few years ago, so now they're all suddenly 100% it's exactly 13 billions years old? In a decade they'll probably nag about how the universe is 16 billion years old.lol what a laugh
Why God does not exist, in one sentence.
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Originally Posted by palerider7777
spaghetti monster,came from south park so ur quoting a cartoon lol
So forget any questions I posed to you, and just mention where the spaghetti monster idea came from.
I've seen someone else on this board use the spaghetti monster and I thought it was funny. But I'll definitely give a look to that episode if i can find it.
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Originally Posted by Pass That Shit
I think we can sum it from your first sentence. The big bang is a theory.
There is no proof of the big bang even taking place the way you described it.
The reason you think it's true, is because you have "faith" in it.
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Originally Posted by wikipedia
In scientific usage, a
theory does not mean an unsubstantiated guess or hunch, as it can in everyday speech. A theory is a logically self-consistent
model or framework for describing the behavior of a related set of natural or social phenomena. It originates from or is supported by
experimental evidence (see
scientific method). In this sense, a theory is a systematic and formalized expression of all previous observations that is
predictive, logical and testable. In principle, scientific theories are always tentative, and subject to corrections or inclusion in a yet wider theory. Commonly, a large number of more specific
hypotheses may be logically bound together by just one or two theories. As a general rule for use of the term, theories tend to deal with much broader sets of universals than do hypotheses, which ordinarily deal with much more specific sets of phenomena or specific applications of a theory.
Yeah, I quoted from wikipedia, but no one's arguing this definition of Scientific Theory. If you believe this definition to be lacking, incomplete, or flat out wrong, then change it :)
Why God does not exist, in one sentence.
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Originally Posted by palerider7777
I remember scientists claiming the exact age of the universe was 10 billion years a few years ago, so now they're all suddenly 100% it's exactly 13 billions years old? In a decade they'll probably nag about how the universe is 16 billion years old.lol what a laugh
I guess that's somehow less respectable than never changing the truth when new facts come to the front.
Why God does not exist, in one sentence.
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Originally Posted by Hardcore Newbie
Compare that with religion. I'm not suggesting that it's exactly the same and that religious people have power over those who don't, but it's an interesting idea nonetheless. Someone of faith may believe they have an inherent advantage over a non believer (something like, I don't know, going to heaven).
Let's say that someone believes that it's very likely, by the way they're living, that they're going to heaven, why would they question the rules and ethics that get them there? It wouldn't make sense because they might lose their faith, or they might not like the result they find. realizing an unfairness.
A thought such asmight come up. I personally think that it's unfair, and there's no good reason for it. In my mind, any truly just God would not care about such a trivial piece of information, especially one that is so hidden from people in the first place. I'd need a reason to believe why someone who believes is apparently better than someone who doesn't. If that reason is hidden, or simply not told, it's probably for an unjust reason.
So who would want to go from a mindset of being blessed with eternal life, to just another Joe that's going to be in the ground 100 years from now like everyone else? Not many, I'd bet.
The bible doesn't teach that a believer is "better" than one who doesn't follow. And their bodies will equally rot in the ground.
We have no visual proof to believe in the afterlife. That's what's great about FAITH. :hippy:
You are saying that you know what is right and wrong better than God. You must feel more "righteous" than him to judge him. He is the potter and you are the clay. I hope you realize the stance you're taking against your possible creator. I don't feel he is unjust. To me, he's all LOVE. He will have mercy and compassion on who wants. And the wrath of God will come upon all the children of men.
Would you feel the same if someone you love in your family died horribly as opposed to hearing the same type of death on the news
to a stranger? NOT!!!, so you shouldn't judge him.
Why God does not exist, in one sentence.
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Originally Posted by palerider7777
WASHINGTON (Feb. 11) - Scientists using a robotic NASA probe have determined with precision the age of the universe -- 13.7 billion years -- and figured out when stars began to shine.
Astronomers have been closing in on these numbers for decades, but a spacecraft now about a million miles from Earth was able to look back to nearly the dawn of time to find the answers, NASA researchers said on Tuesday.
Stars started shining just 200 million years after the theoretical Big Bang, scientists said in announcing findings of the so-called WMAP mission, which gazed on the universe when there were no stars, no galaxies, nothing except minute differences in temperature.
These temperature differences were as little as one-millionth of a degree, but that was enough to create vast hot and cold spots that signaled the beginning of the clumping that eventually became every known structure in the universe, the scientists said.
WMAP -- short for Wilkinson Microwave Anisotopy Probe -- looked back in time to just 380,000 years after the Big Bang explosion that many astronomers believe gave birth to the universe. That is further back in time than even the orbiting Hubble Space Telescope can see.
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I remember scientists claiming the exact age of the universe was 10 billion years a few years ago, so now they're all suddenly 100% it's exactly 13 billions years old? In a decade they'll probably nag about how the universe is 16 billion years old.lol what a laugh
I am confused by your cynicism. How old do YOU believe the universe to be? Are you a creationist? Are you, by chance, religious, and reject anything that contradicts the erroneous man-made belief structure that you are comfortable with? Your obvious scorn in all things scientific leads me to these conclusions.
I remember when those findings were first published among the scientific community. Previous to that, scientists on average had estimated it to be around 10 to 12 billion years old, but could not prove it. They knew what they had to do, and after sending sattelite probes into space and receiving the results, they were able to scientifically calculate the age of the universe. By observing red shifts and phases of distant stars, we have for some time now, been aware of the fact that everything in the universe is moving away from a central point. Im sorry that you seem to reject these findings, and find them laughable. Some people would find that rejection to be laughable. Forgive me if I have made a wrong assumption.
Why God does not exist, in one sentence.
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Originally Posted by Pass That Shit
The bible doesn't teach that a believer is "better" than one who doesn't follow. And their bodies will equally rot in the ground.
We have no visual proof to believe in the afterlife. That's what's great about FAITH. :hippy:
I avoided the word "better" with good reason. I'm saying that someone of faith (let's keep it Xian belifs for simplicity's sake) believes that they have an advantage over a non believer. They have to. They believe that they will be rewarded for their behaviour, and beliefs. If they didn't believe this, then there'd be no point to the belief in the first place.
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Originally Posted by Pass That Shit
You are saying that you know what is right and wrong better than God. You must feel more "righteous" than him to judge him. He is the potter and you are the clay. I hope you realize the stance you're taking against your possible creator. I don't feel he is unjust. To me, he's all LOVE. He will have mercy and compassion on who wants. And the wrath of God will come upon all the children of men.
When my parents told me I couldn't do something, and they didn't have a reason, and told me "Because I SAID SO", who's "right"? They certainly didn't have an answer or a reason. Are you saying it's impossible to outsmart someone because they made you?
To me, the Xian God I read about is anything but love. The God I read about has an inferiority complex and for some reason is quite shy. Every once in a while he comes out because he's mad and has a tantrum that usually kills a bunch of people because they don't listen to him. that's the god I read about.
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Originally Posted by Pass That Shit
Would you feel the same if someone you love in your family died horribly as opposed to hearing the same type of death on the news
to a stranger? NOT!!!, so you shouldn't judge him.
I don't understand the point you're trying to make, but of course the people closer to you mean more to you.
Why God does not exist, in one sentence.
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Originally Posted by palerider7777
well if thats the case, that matter changes and moves closer to other matter then why are'nt the planets getting closer together? and if thats the case then im right on humans not causing any global warming, it's the planet regenerating it's self.so thanks for the help on that so al gore is a dumb ass and anyone that believes that.
Im quoting this one, but Im going to attempt to address your other posts as well.. first off.. how old are you? I only ask because judging from your communication skills, and the misinformation you seem to have in the realm of scientific knowledge you are rather young, but I will attempt to talk as if you are an adult so as to avoid coming off as insulting.
First of all.. who said the planets are not getting closer and closer to the sun? They most certainly are, however the angular momentum of their orbit means that the rate of attraction is almost negligible on any measurable scale of time. The sun will most likely supernova, or turn into a red giant before the planets actually spiral into the sun.
As far as global warming... are you trying to say that increased carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gasses are not having an effect on the recent increase in average temperature, the rapid melting of all glacial bodies, and the increasing hole in the ozone layer? All of which are confirmed and measurable findings. Sure the earth has cycled through periods of extreme warmth where trees thrived and there was water for all... then all the carbon dioxide that all that vegetation produced began to have a greenhouse effect, melting glaciers, decreasing ocean salinity, which altered oceanic thermal flows, which... caused an ice age. Nobody isnt saying its never happened before, the cycle has been going on for quite some time. What they are saying is that humans are speeding that process up, and it is coming alot sooner than it should have, certainly before we expected it to. Im not sure what kind of argument you might have on that...
As far as the beginnings of life... What is so hard to believe about the Big Bang?? All matter is attracted towards any other matter.. When all the matter in the universe previous to the big bang finally condensed into itself so much that it reached the peak of density, it exploded, sending matter zooming across space, and by the way it is still moving from that point. Not only that, but matter is actually ACCELERATING still. After billions of years of hydrogen and helium gravitating to form stars, which supernovaed to form other elements, and eventually rocky bodies, things in this part of our galaxy at least began to settle down. Our sun formed some planets as popular theories go, and caught others in its gravitation. Pluto is clearly an aquirement from the Kuiper belt.
After about a billion years of Earth spewing its innards volcanically all over the place in a tumultuous manner, it began to cool and solidify. The major tectonic plates began to form, and most likely with the help of some asteroidal bodies, a few alien elements were introduced. Amino acids were introduced to enzymes and formed proteins. Proteins formed together to produce the first single-celled organisms. Those organisms began to multiply and evolve with the addition of more enzymes and proteins, and as these organisms have such a high reproduction rate, they were able to evolve on a much faster scale than intelligent life. Hydrogen and Oxygen combined with the right environment to form water. Life then flourished. An atmosphere rich in elemental gasses was becoming more established with every passing million years. Eventually simple crustaceans were able to form in the oceans, and life continued to evolve from there. Crustaceans evolved into fish due to necessity of environment, and alteration in diet. When land became more hospitable, fish began out of necessity to come onto land. Diets changed once again, and the newly evolved amphibians began to ingest amino acids and proteins and minerals that they had never had access to, and life continued to evolve.
If you want to learn more, go to discovery.com or something.
Thats all I feel like responding to I think.
Except for this quote by you:
"You're controlling/conquering half this thread though.
I don't think I've ever seen 5 straight posts from a person who did not start the thread. LOL
yea just think what would happen i did'nt have the respect and morals that god teaches i mean i would'nt put up with w 10th of what i do now without god i'd be a beast lol i"
You continue to argue points that bear debating, especially with your opinion on them, thats why he keeps posting.
And I dont think you are as respectful as you think... your posts are full of calling people stupid and dumb fucks, and all types of judgement. You categorize everybody that disagrees with you as "you people", Im guessing you are addressing the whole scientific community, then you make statements assuming the whole scientific community has one standard point of view. You appear to be severely dillusioned, my friend. I hope for your sake that you grow up and grow out of this.
Why God does not exist, in one sentence.
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Why would a person go to heaven and another go to hell, living identical lives, except one is a believer and the other isn't?
might come up. I personally think that it's unfair, and there's no good reason for it. In my mind, any truly just God would not care about such a trivial piece of information, especially one that is so hidden from people in the first place. I'd need a reason to believe why someone who believes is apparently better than someone who doesn't. If that reason is hidden, or simply not told, it's probably for an unjust reason
thats where people are wrong like ur self,it's not that way at all.first there's people that believe in god for the right reasons,and then there's the ones "preacher for the most part"that make a living on it.i'll ask u this, say u were dating 2 girls at the same time, and u loved them the the same equally. but only 1 of them loved u back and the other one did the same as the other but the one loved u back and the other didn't, who would u pick..?let me guess i know you'll either say neither, or u can't decide i know you'll come up with something to make u feel right. but we both know the truth don't we...!
Why God does not exist, in one sentence.
Im quoting this one, but Im going to attempt to address your other posts as well.. first off.. how old are you? I only ask because judging from your communication skills, and the misinformation you seem to have in the realm of scientific knowledge you are rather young, but I will attempt to talk as if you are an adult so as to avoid coming off as insulting.
First of all.. who said the planets are not getting closer and closer to the sun? They most certainly are, however the angular momentum of their orbit means that the rate of attraction is almost negligible on any measurable scale of time. The sun will most likely supernova, or turn into a red giant before the planets actually spiral into the sun.
As far as global warming... are you trying to say that increased carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gasses are not having an effect on the recent increase in average temperature, the rapid melting of all glacial bodies, and the increasing hole in the ozone layer? All of which are confirmed and measurable findings. Sure the earth has cycled through periods of extreme warmth where trees thrived and there was water for all... then all the carbon dioxide that all that vegetation produced began to have a greenhouse effect, melting glaciers, decreasing ocean salinity, which altered oceanic thermal flows, which... caused an ice age. Nobody isnt saying its never happened before, the cycle has been going on for quite some time. What they are saying is that humans are speeding that process up, and it is coming alot sooner than it should have, certainly before we expected it to. Im not sure what kind of argument you might have on that...
no kid here but i am a free thinker and i like how u just contradicted urself and don't even know it lol funny u say the planets are getting closer..prove it and the sun will what did u say..The sun will most likely supernova, or turn into a red giant lol another good one so what ur saying is mankind and earth as we no it well life as a whole as we know it are doomed anyways so why would it matter if us "humans"destory ourselfs i mean theres nothing after this anyways right as u say?whats the big deal might as well go out with a "bang"as thats how we started right? lol ok first contradiction over now to the 2nd ok u say were all just "matter caused by other matter collecting together right?then is'nt that global warming weather it be from "mankind/aka matter"or from the earth gonna happen anyways as were all just "matter" im sure u believe as the rest in here do as the big bang/evo/ it should'nt "matter" what we as humans do as we are all just "matter" and thats what matter" does evo use up destory create right??
Why God does not exist, in one sentence.
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Originally Posted by palerider7777
thats where people are wrong like ur self,it's not that way at all.first there's people that believe in god for the right reasons,and then there's the ones "preacher for the most part"that make a living on it.i'll ask u this, say u were dating 2 girls at the same time, and u loved them the the same equally. but only 1 of them loved u back and the other one did the same as the other but the one loved u back and the other didn't, who would u pick..?let me guess i know you'll either say neither, or u can't decide i know you'll come up with something to make u feel right. but we both know the truth don't we...!
So what are the "right" reasons for believing in God?
It's funny you'd accuse me of not answering questions when you've answered approximately a tenth of mine.
Who would I pick? The girl that loves me, obviously. Is your analogy flawed? Yes, and I'll explain why I think so.
You're comparing a relationship of a bunch of people to the relationship of God and people. God picks many people, not just one (from what I hear). I'm not condemning someone because they don't love me, they're free to do as they please. I don't wish ill towards people for the simple fact that they don't love me. In fact, I still wish them eternal happiness.
I'm not hiding myself from this person. Maybe if they knew who I was, they'd actually love me too! And if I was hiding myself from this person, wouldn't it be my fault that they don't even know me? If I did have the power to punish someone because they don't love me, and wished to use it, can I claim it fair to punish them when I've purposely hidden myself from them? And if I did so anyways, wouldn't I be a giant prick?
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