The Definitive Green Dragon (Revised, Updated, Combined)

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Originally Posted by grumio

Hey Coelho - have you tried infusing your alcohol with spices/herbs before making tincture with it? It does wonders for the taste (it's still an alcohol tincture, of course).

I wonder if infusing the alc affects the extraction of thc (saturation).

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I never did it... but it seems a good idea indeed. Maybe some peppermint leaves... or something like this...
And i dont think it would hinder the extraction... unless the herbs you infused had some substance much alike the cannabinoids, what i think its not much usual... there is also the possibility that of some substance in the herbs could react with the THC, but i think its even less probable...
Anyway, doing two extractions, the first one with alcohol+herbs, then strain the weed and then a second extraction with pure alcohol can help to maximize the THC extraction.

Last time I did it I soaked 2 tablespoons of dried peppermint & 1teaspoon of freshly ground cardamom seeds in 6 oz of alcohol for 2 hours (room temperature), & then proceeded with the usual tincture process.

You can pick out all 3 ingredients, but the cardamom is dominant.

I think the some of the aromatic compounds in all 3 are related (phenols & terpenoids, I think). I have no idea if their presence affects either the thc or its extraction.

Potency of my last batch was slightly lower, but well within the normal variance I've noticed (each batch is slightly different).

Something is going on between the herbs, because as soon as you add the cannabis to the infused alc, the color changes - it turns a rather brilliant green, different from either regular green dragon or the p'mint/c'mom infused alc. The final product is the usual brown-green.

I gave it a shot tonight. I used 4 grams in 3oz of 190 proof everclear for 30 minutes (It took that long to evaporate 2oz.). I took 1ml in a beer after not eating for 6 hours. The results were muddied a little bit by the effect of the beer because I'm a lightweight. Anyway, the result was acceptable. The fact that I can get that buzz 29 more times off of 4 grams of weed is awesome. I won't make gel caps, vape or smoke ever again.

The high was such that I could still function pretty normally and be around people without feeling too weird. Tomorrow me and a couple of friends are taking 2ml each so we'll see how it goes. I'm tempted to try three....ah well, baby steps.

My one BIG observation is that the boiling point seems to be about 170F because it didn't matter how much flame I used the temp would never go higher than that and after establishing a boil, I reduced the flame to almost nothing and it stayed at 170F. However, with increased flame the rate of boiling changed dramatically, but the temp didn't change. So, I decided that a lot of flame was better in order to evaporate the alcohol faster. With a low flame it would have taken an hour to get down to 1oz.

I'm happy with the results, but not shocked by 1ml. 2ml might be a different story.

Let is know the results :)

I am plan another batch this weekend.

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Originally Posted by mobyone

My one BIG observation is that the boiling point seems to be about 170F because it didn't matter how much flame I used the temp would never go higher than that and after establishing a boil

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I just googled it and sure enough, the boiling point of ethanol is 172.94F.

Now the question is....does the rate of boiling matter other than affecting how fast the alcohol evaporates...hmmmmmmmmm

I tried something similar to this recipe and something went wrong because it didn't work. Ok now this is what did work for me. I took stems from 2oz that were picked pretty clean and an 8th of regs ground up with a manual grinder.(no seeds) I put them in Bacardi rum 40% clear 200ml. I was going to get 151 but I wanted to see what color it would change to. :icon506: I put it in two black socks and set it on my car dash for the day. I took a shot this night and its working on a full stomach. I feel about like I smoked two bowls. Also I just took two more shots.:thumbsup:

I live in florida... it was low 90's today. The temp gauge i put in the car capped out at around 130. When i took the bottle out of the car, i could hardly hold it for more than a few seconds. I wrapped it in a towel and shook it for about 20 min, then let it chill a couple more hours.

I'm sure this isn't a good way of getting all the THC out but it does work.

Ok so tomorrow is today. I think It could have been stronger but i'm a very heavy smoker. I got pretty high. But as any stoner knows... more is always better ;) So basically I decided I wasn't getting high enough after an hour of the last two shots. I pulled out my dugout and the rest is history. all it took was a hit every now and then and i was baked all night. (I used ALOT LESS weed) then I took some xanax and passed out at 3am but.

all in all i'm quite happy how it turned out. It could have been much stronger I'm sure. I'm going to add more rum and let it age a week in the trunk of my car and see what happens :cool:

For my 2cents on who ever wants to try this; read that post a guy has a few pages back on putting it in that citrus extract in some tiny bottles on your car dash. and like most everyone else is doing use small batches so if you fuck up its not that big of a deal.. if your worried you'll fuck it up, just smoke it :smokin:

Next week when I get an Oz. I'm planning on giving masterwu a shot again. I'll keep an exact log so you guys can see what I'm doing wrong.

Thank You for the medicine!!!. I cooked at an average temp of 166, I was getting a very hard rolling boil so I turned it down, I used 190 proof clear springs so maybe it has a lower boiling point, or my candy thermometer may have been off, it turned out OK anyway. I have another question you might be able to help with if you wouldn't mind?. I have been making oil using PVC pipe, coffee filter, and super refined butane, do you think it would help to bake the bud after grinding?. Would the butane extract more efficiently with the baking process?.

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Originally Posted by jondoe67

I have been making oil using PVC pipe, coffee filter, and super refined butane, do you think it would help to bake the bud after grinding?. Would the butane extract more efficiently with the baking process?.

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Surely! The baking process increases the amount of THC in the weed, so the butane extraction would wield a stronger oil.

Before I stumbled upon Master Wu's recipe I had placed about 2 grams in a 50ml bottle of citrus flavored vodka with the intention of cycling this (strained)
into another bottle containing another 2 grams after a month.
Today was the day of my transfer, 1st I used the Master Wu 325degrees for 5 minutes technique, placed herb in bottle then poured my 50ml bottle through a strainer that was inside a funnel into my new bottle. Silly me, the new bottle was smaller and I had some overflow. Although I was 4 weeks into studying for a drug test, in the name of science I sponged up the spillage with a small piece of bread. Effects were quick, not super intense but very enjoyable :thumbsup:and I doubt it was a third of an eye dropper full.

My plans are as follows-with the residual herb in the a original bottle I plan to add a little more herb and a little more booze, let it soak a month then make a very special daiquiri.
I have started a second bottle using Amaretto and plan to try the green dragon soda solar method with this batch, using my sealed up car as a heat source.
For my original batch I hope to keep cycling the vodka onto fresh herb every 4 weeks or so just to see what I can come up with, but that will depend on how many times I recycle the vodka and how long I can resist temptation.
My attraction to this experiment is the low cost- vodka$1.80, +2grams herb, $1.29 for second bottle(brown w/eye dropper).
Each additional herb infusion will most likely come from a new acquisition thus I don't have to budget extra for my science project.