UVb an experiment

Only it would be easiest for me to explain things if it were in Watts per nanometer band. Data from published Scientific Journals is best and this is true for graphs in particular, if tabular data is not readily available (yeh get out the metric rulers and enjoy the eye strain).

It's common enough graph, you just didn't know what you were "looking for".

There should be a few if you Google phytochrome under the Images directory, and just look for the shape. Shape will be a profound factor in the third graph that explains it all, since it's been arround, but Rauber was the first to see it within results like McCree's famous CO2 uptake work.

I'll see if Rauber will post on it in his thread at TY, "Rauber Promises to Consult". He'll be able to break it down more than I can (I mean crud, I never even thought of "Reverse Hiesenburg" affects and such before I sat at circle with this guy.)

Hope the hint helps, only two more steps to go, then you should feel it more.


Take care, Sal.


P.S. You will want to get data from this curve to apply to the next. So do yourself a favor and find a good curve to get your data from, or better still find one of the many published sources for this curve that include the data!

Sal will any of these work for the demo..

The second graph is a typical example just as McCree is in general.

The third graph is simply another way of considering this second graphs data, in terms of Pr minus Pfr. You can generate this graph yourself or find one of the published examples.

Our graphs are in Watts per 5nm band for "Sensitivity" or "Response", but the absorption relationship is still there for concept.

Get the third graph and consider it next to the first and I think you'll see things with a new perspective conceptually about photosynthesis and hopefully phytochrome ballancing.

Take care, Sal.

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Guy was gettin' 5% as much blood to da brain as we do, and he still out-thinks us.

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Thanks, but I think you're growing your meds too strong! I really believe the lack of blood is why I needed to read things two or three times to understand them.....then can't remember what I read a few days later.;)

@salmayo: Thanks for helping to bring forth the PAD manual, I've read it (three times) and even understand some of it, and I'm extremely interested in it. Rauber seems to be one very smart fellow. If someone was to use the method, exaxctly what could be gained from it's use in terms of time to grow/flower, quanitity and quality of the finished product?
BTW, thanks for the mention of various glass and it's ability to pass or not pass UVb light. Early in this thread I was questioned about possible UV from my light setup, I was sure there was none since they are contained in a borosicilicate glass tube but could find no info to support that.

Also could you give an idea what to expect if one was to use the simplified Rauber method.

thnx again- oldmac

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@salmayo: Thanks for helping to bring forth the PAD manual, I've read it (three times) and even understand some of it, and I'm extremely interested in it. Rauber seems to be one very smart fellow. If someone was to use the method, exaxctly what could be gained from it's use in terms of time to grow/flower, quanitity and quality of the finished product?
BTW, thanks for the mention of various glass and it's ability to pass or not pass UVb light. Early in this thread I was questioned about possible UV from my light setup, I was sure there was none since they are contained in a borosicilicate glass tube but could find no info to support that.

Also could you give an idea what to expect if one was to use the simplified Rauber method.

thnx again- oldmac

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(Rauber suggest Simple Rauber Enhancement on term limits - you can run for office as many times as you like, just not two terms in a row. A third option with none of the draw backs of non-term limits or finite term limits. The mans too smart to argue with, predicted Desert Storm 5 years before if happened on the election eve of G. Bush Senior. I don't argue with him, and not because he's my boss, I'm smart enough to just ask questions and listen. He's what I can Spooky Smart.)

"time to grow/flower, quanitity and quality of the finished product?" - Rauber looks at these "problems" as a multi-tasking problem solver and basically solves them all at once (lucky us). The question is more or less in terms of "compared to what?". Compare to "time to grow/flower" for 24 hour revegging, better hands down. Compared to an optimized continuous 21/3 vegging spectrum (also Rauber Tech Solution on spectrum criteria in his patents), it'll run cooler, but an 21 hour optimized 425ish/650ish spectrum yield more pre equipment cost for yeild (but this is also with Rauber's methods to product such a result, sorry if that's too single minded, but until I find better, I use the best I got.) Quality and quantity everything else being equal on an Incandescent supplimented HPS system, Rauber Enhancement promote more untform development, faster and optimized yeild (and the more uniform the VOLUMETRIC light distribution the Better!)

I hope that cover's your question.

UV bulbs tend to be expensive due to the difficulties in working with UV transparent Quartz (Silica not Glass) as an envelope material, Borosilicate and indead many "Hard Glasses" Block UV. Can you tell were'd developing MH and HPS based tech for a dwindling HID market, when LED's explode (soon).

If the spectrum is not otherwise optimized, Rauber's methods tend to better results on an hour by hour Blue duration basis (21 hours etc.) and run cooler. But since part of an optimized simple Rauber ultimately (GrandMaster level, nothing more guru than that) includes optimizing spectrums both in terms of wattages and time durations, you really can beat it without using it somehow, if only for comparative consideration!

If I didn't tough on something that you're still contemplating... ...ASK. The worse I can do is decline due to Intellectual Property Right considerations (as yet). Rauber's got his timetable, and like everything else, I don't mess with his standing orders. This stuffs at least two years ahead of the market and hopefully will all be out soon (patent office and courtroom politics... ...BHAW!).

Do consider the use of aluminium flectors (I make mine like wallpapering cardboard with aluminium foil) for use with Far Red applications (mostly the Advance Rauber Enhancement stuff using Far Red), since the market is not Far Red savvy and little information is available on Far Red reflection/transmission/absortion of otherwise great productions like Panda Film.

Take care, Sal.

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Do consider the use of aluminium flectors (I make mine like wallpapering cardboard with aluminium foil) for use with Far Red applications (mostly the Advance Rauber Enhancement stuff using Far Red), since the market is not Far Red savvy and little information is available on Far Red reflection/transmission/absortion of otherwise great productions like Panda Film.

Take care, Sal.

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aluminum foil to reflect the far red........shiny side or dull?

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aluminum foil to reflect the far red........shiny side or dull?

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Dull side SC, less "hot spots".
Flat white works well too.

Aloha friend, turn on your rep.

Weezard

One of the reasons mirrors are usually not recommended for use as reflectors, is that they reflect concentrated Rays resulting in hot spots.

Using the dull/frosted side of aluminium foil or Flat white paint reflects well, but it breaks up rays and diffuses them, combatting hot spotting.

Take care, Sal.

i'v always used flat white with a high titanium oxide content but can find no info on what spectrum is reflected .does PANDA not reflect far red well ? i had planed on using it as a divider during my far red trials.

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i'v always used flat white with a high titanium oxide content .

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my wife has reminded me that we switched to a SATIN finish years ago.i wipe the walls with a mild bleach solution 2 or 3 times a year and it is easier to clean .