Evolution or God????. . . .

I believe in evolution. I also believe in some sort of higher power. I don't think it's a dude who died for our sins or whatever. More of a universal observer I guess.

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Originally Posted by msactech1

What I am saying is that evolution is not a fact backed up by physical evidence. It is a theory that people choose to put thier faith into. It is a bunch of ideas built up to support an idea.

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What you donâ??t understand is that evolution is a theory to explain the physical evidence. The same process they used to develop this theory is the same as the path taken in the development of any other scientific or technological field.

I guess I'm confused about what you say "evolutionists" believe in. I see plenty of physical evidence; vestigial organs, DNA similarities, the types of fossils in different sediment layers, mutation of viruses and bacterial, the ability for animals to adapt to new environments (these are the only ones I can think of.) All of these fit nicely into the theory of Evolution and that is why I "believe" in it.

It shouldnâ??t be a competition between religion and science; theories in science are not the same as the ideas in a belief structure. One is an understanding of both the physical and ideas, and the other is all faith.

I guess I should add that the theories are never 100% correct, they exist to explain the bare minimum. Reality will always be infinatly more complex. Ex: fluid dynamics and steallar models.

For me it's really the same thing.
i've been getting really pissed at religion the last few days, actually since i saw the (not very interesting) film Da Vince Code. People are so underdeveloped, still. Killing for god. Absurdity.
Sad, sad little planet. Could (can) be so nice! ;)

The whole theory of evolution would be destroyed if a fossil were found from the precambian period. A fossil found from that time would prove that life forms inhabited the Earth from the beginning, which the Holy Bible states. Humans could not peacefully coexist with dinosaurs. Dinosaurs would eliminate any sign of the human race. Not only that, dinosaurs were wiped out from some worldwide disaster. Wouldn't homo sapiens die too? Belief of a God just doesn't make sense to me. How many religions are there? Hundreds, maybe thousands of them. People constantly wonder about and strive to find their origin. Hundreds of years ago people had basically no technology or accurate scientific instruments. They used their imagination. Therefore, a God came into play. Ancient civilization had no police to keep order. They wrote a book "from their God" and his expectations to put fear into the people. YOU GO AGAINST YOUR GOD AND YOU SHALL PERISH!!! It's just a way to keep civilians in line. Since they were so curious about who created them, they believed all that nonsense. If you had no scientific knowledge, you would believe anything as well. Do you get my drift? Religion spread across the world and evolved, and this is where we are today. A brainwashed society filled with curiosity on fallacy. You can believe a book full of miracle stories and odd creatures, or you can believe a skeletal fossil and scientific evidence. It's your choice.

Evolution is a fact, as is some sort of big event that happened to create the universe around 13 billion years ago. However, no one knows what happened just before that big event. It requires a singularity, where all the matter in the universe was compressed into a point that was infinitely small. All science can tell is what happened just after this big event. God fits neatly into the space just beforehand, in my opinion.

I've never seen god as some kind of figure, but then again... what is god?

God= universal conscience, WE, US, all ONE?
God= the 70% of our brain that we don't know how to use?
God= the universe, the cells, our body, a mathematical equation?

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Originally Posted by Euphoric

First, to disprove your ignorance on the dark ages.

The Middle Ages is a stretch of a thousand years called mediæval and feudal, words that are like the word dinosaurâ??they are used pejoratively. They mean backward, barbaric, primitive or, at the least, old fashionedâ??the antithesis of our clever and sophisticated modern times. The reason is that in that thousand years, crime, vice, violence, drunkenness, disease, mortality, brutality, exploitation and injustice were immeasurably worse than before or after. Yet, they are the time when the church was at its most powerful, when cathedrals were built, bishops lived in palaces and many of the male population were churchmenâ??monks, priests, bishops, friars, templars, hospitallers, priors, lay brothers.

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We are living in an age when ignorant Christian mobs are once again trying to replace science and knowledge with religious rituals. If we donâ??t learn from history, they will again throw us into another 1,000-year period of â??The Dark Agesâ?�.

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pointing out that socialy, and politically, society was religious is true. You do understand the danger of a religious society, however you are very confused to say ~ that time was the hieght of the chuch age.

That period was a deteriorated condition, of the religious society that Jesus himself criticized.

Jesus hated religion with a perfect hatred, It was an outward form (denying the sickness on the inside), it is pushy, judgemental. Religion is the Antithesis
of true faith and relationship with God.

Oh by the way, scientist have acknowleged that evolution is impossible.
A single cell is irreducible, an absence of any of the thousands of chemical interactions, would render it lifeless.

To think it just gradually came together with all these things present.???
Would be dishonest.

It has been the only theorum that science had embraced that denies the laws of thermal dynamics. Systems move toward disorder rather than order.

You are just pissed at ~ basically the same thing Jesus was.
Maybe you should reexamine your logic for blaming God.

God aged this earth perfectly within just the first few reported days in Gen Ch:1 something else stupid human logic tries to figure out,
We have all done this. These insites are what make up true epiphones.

I hope I have many more.

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Originally Posted by braddog100

Oh by the way, scientist have acknowleged that evolution is impossible.
A single cell is irreducible, an absence of any of the thousands of chemical interactions, would render it lifeless.

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That the second time you say that... Which scientist are you talking about? I read some stuff on the subject, and I have yet to encounter a real scientist, not a religious pseudo-scientist, who does not believe in evolution. If you're so sure about yourself, instead of saying "scientists", give some names.

I would suggest a search for Thomas Sharp. An naturalist, scientist, researcher.

Athiest, will no longer debate him. His knowledge and handle on facts rather than swallowing what the athiest intellectual elite have aspoused,...
They have no answer for.

Also, as he has pointed out, even the scientist, predisposed to athiesm,
is haveing to acknowledge the fact that a single cell could not have just occured. Come on! It's too complex.

Those that have had some need to deny God, His rightfull place, has relegated themselves to far out streches of logic ~ the need to believe, to the extent that
They are then blinded to truth.

This is not the only major problem with evolution.

I'm not here to jab at the athiest. at this site, I am just dismayed at the constant jabs here against God and some of those that believe.

I've dealt with chronic pain, and interestingly enough, web MD ~posted a letter Re the benefits of med. weed. just learning to understand more about this. that's all... abadee.. abadee.. abadee.. Thats' all Folks!!!
Brad