New Induction Grow light

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Originally Posted by Dutch Pimp

with CFL's, T5's, PL-L or any other fluoros...you have to SCROG, etc...keep plants low, wide & short...:thumbsup:

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I've never had to do that.

Vertical T5HO to the rescue!

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Originally Posted by khyberkitsune

I've never had to do that.

Vertical T5HO to the rescue!

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where's the beef?

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Originally Posted by khyberkitsune

I've never had to do that.

Vertical T5HO to the rescue!

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How big is the area? How many watts each? How did you secure the middle tubes from any kind of accident? Isn't it easy and safer to set PLL's like that? Plus they don't have much different outputs than T5's. They're shorter, and only needs to hanged from one side. If we go deep into that i'll find more reasons to not use T5. So I'll just keep comparising.

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Originally Posted by tevfik

The comparison based on 5 years continuously flowering and for one plant only! In reality it may make much more difference.

All say CFL's are hot. Yes they are, 2 computer fan is enough to cool them down ($5).Thats what i do. If you still say too hot, there are some other options such as two pins CFL's. They work as cool as these lights (Writing 25C on Osram's website).Outputs 85lm/w. I don't know exact prices of those (bulb+ballast) but i must say if you buy, in 5 years they'll average self ballasted CFL's.

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This "two pin CFL" i meant PLL's. I made a price and some other information research.

So here we go:

RA 80-90 bulbs (8xx) :
18,24 and 36w bulbs are $6.20
40 and 55w bulbs are $7.70
12000h lifetime (3 years in our comparison)

RA 90+ bulbs (9xx) 7500h lifetime:
18,24 and 36w bulbs are $11.80
40 and 55w bulbs are $13.60
7500h lifetime (2 years in our comparison)

I'll need one ballast for each two bulbs.
from 18 to 55w ballasts are $29.20
Life of 100,000 hours and more (22 years in our comparison.)

i'm buying 2x55 and 2x40 = $58.40 + $30.80 (+ $20 if i want 9xx's)
That will make 190w, and give the lights equally if i put 55's on center and 40's on sides. This is another advantage.
16600lm in total. Reached 3860lm per square meter.

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Originally Posted by Roughrider

4000 lumens sq. ft./43000 lumens sq. m. = Very good growth. Once you pass around 3500, growth rate and ability goes up fast.

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Or we can go 100w of PLL and 100w of Fluora. That makes more sense to me than paying a half thousand on a tunnel light and hanging cfl's around.

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Still, tell me, what makes this "inda-Bro" lights %96 useful for plants? Is it because all those light companies didn't know how to make plant lamps and they were messing around with all their sources to produce some grow fluorescent called gro or bio or natura then some genius engineers suddenly found that they were wrong???

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Originally Posted by bubbas

There are a lot of sceptics out there for these lights so what i'm going to do is i am going to give this light to a lucky cadidate to do a nonbias grow journal anyone interested? We already know our 300 watt EFDL 2700K works and keeps up to 600 watts of LED and HPS but i'm confident the added spectrum will knock this light out of the park!
I'm still trying to source a supplier of LED's so i should have this light ready in about a month.

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Hi Bubbas,

We live in the same area and have spoken on the phone twice about your lights. At the time you did not have anything less than 400w, so I ordered from another company.

Your thread inspired me to build cabinets & start a 250w vs. 120w comparison. It is about half way through flower. Grow log is here: http://boards.cannabis.com/grow-log/...omparison.html. There's so much hype out there, but so little useful results, that I decided I had to discover for myself what the REAL facts were.

If you are serious about an honest, head-to-head, documented comparison, then I believe I'm the best candidate to do it, because:

1) no expense or worries about shipping to a guy without meeting him
2) My cabinets are specifically designed for exactly the kind of testing you want done.
3) I'm proving my ability to complete a grow log with objectivity.
4) if you want, i'll return your hardware after the test.

In lighting we refer to it as a particular lamps efficacy.

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Originally Posted by seventhchild

it is converted into light not heat .watts is watts its true but ya'll need to understand that this is a measure of energy used not of light output.when the light fixture converts electricity to light some of the energy is lost as heat. incandescent bulbs lose most of that energy as heat....LEDs not so much..... i think this may be called lighting efficiency or something like that ..........the point being that fixtures that convert energy into light with less heat generation will heat the room less.

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"watts is watts its true but ya'll need to understand that this is a measure of energy used not of light output."

No, in fact we do radiometric wattage output readings as well - that is how we determine the actual efficiency of the diode.

An LED spec sheet will typically show the power output of a 460nm or lower diode in terms of milliwatts, not lumens.

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Originally Posted by vanduction

Hi Bubbas,

We live in the same area and have spoken on the phone twice about your lights. At the time you did not have anything less than 400w, so I ordered from another company.

Your thread inspired me to build cabinets & start a 250w vs. 120w comparison. It is about half way through flower. Grow log is here: http://boards.cannabis.com/grow-log/...omparison.html. There's so much hype out there, but so little useful results, that I decided I had to discover for myself what the REAL facts were.

If you are serious about an honest, head-to-head, documented comparison, then I believe I'm the best candidate to do it, because:

1) no expense or worries about shipping to a guy without meeting him
2) My cabinets are specifically designed for exactly the kind of testing you want done.
3) I'm proving my ability to complete a grow log with objectivity.
4) if you want, i'll return your hardware after the test.

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Hi Vanduction,

Give me a call. i can set something up. My chosen test subject on 420 has gone MIA i'll give him a few weeks to contact me again. However i have some new 2100K EFDL's that just arrived. so we can do a test with them instead. Send me a private message and we'll exchange contacts or just call me i guess you already have my number

Bumping this thread back to the top. This thread has been all talk no journals lol.

Bubbas, who is the candidate and where is the link to their grow (or links to any grow!!!)

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Originally Posted by 123xyz

Bumping this thread back to the top. This thread has been all talk no journals lol.

Bubbas, who is the candidate and where is the link to their grow (or links to any grow!!!)

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Here is a grow journal using 250w HPS vs. 120w induction + 24w CFL: http://boards.cannabis.com/grow-log/...omparison.html

Bubbas promised to lend me an induction light but hasn't delivered.

If any other manufacturer wants to step up with a sample to be tested head-to-head, let me know. (I believe a 400w HPS vs. 200w Induction would be best)

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Originally Posted by vanduction

Here is a grow journal using 250w HPS vs. 120w induction + 24w CFL: http://boards.cannabis.com/grow-log/...omparison.html

Bubbas promised to lend me an induction light but hasn't delivered.

If any other manufacturer wants to step up with a sample to be tested head-to-head, let me know. (I believe a 400w HPS vs. 200w Induction would be best)

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great post. Looks like induction is just not quite there yet