A path to faith with science
nature.
I can answer all the things you mentioned in your last post up to and including the descartes line, like this.
If you can not disprove that it, then its a possibility.
Disprove the dreamers theory.
And for the last time, please follow me, we do not have any facts. You do not have any facts.
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You just made an assertion. Now you have to back it up with evidence. How do you know it could possibly constructed by someones dream? Possibilities aren't a given. If you say that it is, then show me the universal law that shows that.
Ok, now take that EXACT SAME QUESTION, and apply it to your theory of God existing. Show me a universal law that shows that. Not theories, not coincidences, a UNIVERSAL LAW.
You wont find one, but that doesnt mean you are disproven. Just means there isnt a found law yet. It does make you look like someone who is purposely trying to put as much limiters onto something to make it impossible to be true.
We have no evidence against the dreamer theory. None. The entire idea behind it, is much similar to the idea of a god, as in its unproveable without said entity showing us. You cant prove god exists, I cant prove this is a dream. I can show you examples such as you have shown us with just as much ease, because there are alot of crazy things that happen on this planet that according to science just shouldnt happen, which could only happen in a dream. Bumblebee's anyone?
Thats the hilariously ironic part of this entire conversation we have been having. You are making all the arguements that someone would make against your statement that God exists. And they work so perfectly, in every way. The difference is, I have not once stated I believe that we are part of a dream, just that it was a possibility. Im not stating anything is the case, so if I cant stand up to your questions and demands for you to accept it, thats ok. You, on the other hand, are stating that something is the case, is a fact, that God exists. In this, you are unlike my stance, because you have to be able to stand up to those very same questions, demands, and scrutiny. And none of your arguement really stands up to yourvery own questions.
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That's because he's trying to prove God with logic. It doesn't work that way. It's about Faith, NOT LOGIC.
Logic will not convert anyone, but Faith does. How can you prove with logic that Jesus walked on water?
We believe this happened because of our Faith in God, not because of logic!
Natureisawesome,
I'm looking forward to your reply in the thread named "In the beginning was the word"
It's clear that you know the bible, but do you know God?
"Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world."
Obviously every religious follower believes that Jesus came in the flesh, but do they believe that Jesus is the Son of God?
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imitator
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If you can not disprove that it, then its a possibility.
no, that's not how it works. The best you can say is that you don't know whether it's a possibility or not. The best you can do is claim ignorance of any possibility.
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And for the last time, please follow me, we do not have any facts. You do not have any facts.
Yes I do. Lots of them.
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natureisawesome:
You just made an assertion. Now you have to back it up with evidence. How do you know it could possibly constructed by someones dream? Possibilities aren't a given. If you say that it is, then show me the universal law that shows that.
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Ok, now take that EXACT SAME QUESTION, and apply it to your theory of God existing. Show me a universal law that shows that. Not theories, not coincidences, a UNIVERSAL LAW.
Universal law of God's existance? It's inside of us. It's our recognition of his eternal nature. It's eternal. remember this was the exception. This is also supported by what we see and observe in the outside world. I've said that a few times now I think.
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I can show you examples such as you have shown us with just as much ease, because there are alot of crazy things that happen on this planet that according to science just shouldnt happen, which could only happen in a dream. Bumblebee's anyone?
bumblebees are awesome. They're evidence of God's master design.
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pass that stuff:
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That's because he's trying to prove God with logic. It doesn't work that way. It's about Faith, NOT LOGIC.
Logic will not convert anyone, but Faith does. How can you prove with logic that Jesus walked on water?
We believe this happened because of our Faith in God, not because of logic!
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Mark 12:30
And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.
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1 Peter 3:15
But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:
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Natureisawesome,
I'm looking forward to your reply in the thread named "In the beginning was the word"
It's clear that you know the bible, but do you know God?
"Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world."
Obviously every religious follower believes that Jesus came in the flesh, but do they believe that Jesus is the Son of God?
what are you talking about? I've posted in that thread and proved my point. I'm done.
But I do believe Jesus Christ is the son of God and that he is God. You're making no sense. And I quoted that verse in the thread you mentioned myself.
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bumblebees are awesome. They're evidence of God's master design.
Thats fine. They are my evidence of the Dreamers effect upon his dream.
Also, you kinda dodged the point. Bumblebees are an amazing example of going against your requirements. There is no way to prove that they are flying. No scientific equation to explain it. It is literally, by all science known to man, impossible. And since you have said before that you can assume possibilities and what might be, only whats right infront of you, that you can observe... bumblebees are a problem.
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pass that stuff:
what are you talking about? I've posted in that thread and proved my point. I'm done.
But I do believe Jesus Christ is the son of God and that he is God. You're making no sense. And I quoted that verse in the thread you mentioned myself.
What exactly did you prove? You stated that it's not proper to call Jesus the Father, go and check out that thread for the many verses that say it, if you're interested in the truth. Or do you only want to carry a conversation in your thread?
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What exactly did you prove? You stated that it's not proper to call Jesus the Father, go and check out that thread for the many verses that say it, if you're interested in the truth. Or do you only want to carry a conversation in your thread?
Actually I said it's not proper terminology, but on the other had it's true in the sense that Father, the son and Holy Spirit are one. There are verses that say that but it's not meant to mean there is no distinction at all between the two. Remember Jesus had his own will and own desires.
Fine, I'll go check it out, if you insist. It's really not what that thread was about anyways.
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Thats fine. They are my evidence of the Dreamers effect upon his dream.
Also, you kinda dodged the point. Bumblebees are an amazing example of going against your requirements. There is no way to prove that they are flying. No scientific equation to explain it. It is literally, by all science known to man, impossible. And since you have said before that you can assume possibilities and what might be, only whats right infront of you, that you can observe... bumblebees are a problem.
Bumblebee - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
One for God? or at least against the dreamer's theory? :p
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hardcore that site says that bumblebees can fly due to dynamic stall. therefore aren't held up by god on little puppet strings
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hardcore that site says that bumblebees can fly due to dynamic stall. therefore aren't held up by god on little puppet strings
It was a joke, i don't believe in god, i just wanted to be impartial :p
