Please help! Droopy Plants

I agree WH I wasn't sold on the last part cause I dunno just doesn't sound right...and over 1000's of generations I don't see why a plant wouldn't be able to just suck up food/water through any root and port it where it's gotta go

on the other hand I do think supercropping as opposed to scrogging would lead to atleast slightly more roots vs plantsize because the plant doesn't know immediately that it's leaves are gone and I doubt root growth would stop instantly...although now that I'm thinking of that, if roots grow at a specific time maybe it would be best to crop after the root growth time period has just ended for the day?

Just really grasping at straws here so don't hold me to anything ;-)

Have you ever thought of changing the buckets yer using for yer farm? you could probably reuse everything else tubing/pumps etc just connect the existing lines to the bigger buckets

Eve is doin well after the tie down the cola has already bent itself back to the light and started growing again...I can see that the little bud sites did end up with much more lighting and I'm hopin that means more bud

One funny thing I've noticed with Zola is that her leaves definately lift towards the light in the morning and throughout the day but seem to start to fall back down an hour or 2 before the light goes off...does this mean that she might prefer less hours in the light cycle or is it normal to start relaxing before bedtime?

Eazy, 'Hound. Cant have ya blowin a gasket.....lol :D :D

ASD....I notice you are not experiencing a daily disaster lately. See how easy this really is? 'Hound got you dialed in and rockin now.

Tom, ScroG is about getting nice buds from every available budsite on the plant, I think. As I said, this is new to me for now. I, for some reason want to do one. Why? I dont know.

Supercropping is of little or no interest to me. I am more than happy with the yields I achieve from my aero's. Isnt supercropping a technique used by commercial growers where they reveg and then reflower plant ?

I like messing with my plants. So next winter I can work on getting 4 topped and very well trained plants established to put under the screen. Tying them down and weaving them in the screen will not be a chore in my eyes. I want to see a 2.5'x2.5' screen FULL of bud, one for each hole in screen. Ever see SeedlessOnes ScroG's ? That d00d is impressive to say the least. And, he gets one helluva yield out of a fairly small screen.

400 watter over a 2.5'x2.5' (64 watts sq/ft) should get me a decent yield even tho I will probably have plenty of fug ups since this is my first attempt. And, if it only yields a half ounce, thats ok, too. My regular grows will be going, and I have that setup almost to the point of autopilot.

Tom, I read on your thread you are a very busy person, and I agree this setup is probably not for you. Hell, I am old and mostly retired........lol But I have plenty of time to tinker with whatever trips my trigger. Indoor growing and building/designing alll kinds of neat things to make my grow area as tricked out as possible does exactly that.

I am a firm believer that if you have those handyman/fixer upper skills you can do some really kewl things in this hobby. I just wish it were legal for christs sakes. I feel if Tequilia is legal, pot should be legal........END OF THAT STORY!!!!

Drunks kill people, stoned peple only miss their exit!!!!!!!!!!

Sorry I blundered 8 miles off the topic for whatever reason I did. Wife is gone til late tonight and I smoked 1/4 d00b after my eggs this morning and I am still wasted........LOL:D :D <looks at d00b layin in ashtray>




Lovin it green,
b0nger

Dont want to waste that nice little tidbit laying there Bonger........:stoned: ;) I will look in my book and see if I can find the answer to the root question. I'm very sure that supercropping will cause more root growth as opposed to scrog which I do agree with ASD on....I consider it a version of tying the branches down to expose them to light which is the biggest thing to me. More light.....more bud. And I don't think doing that causes as much root growth as the plant having to create new branches etc...

And bonger while ASD not having a daily disaster IS a good thing.....it's not nearly as much fun. :D

The girls are lovin life at the moment and I couldn't agree more on the credit due hound...the canoe lookin shape of the leaves has started to flatten out and I'm starting to notice those white specs creeping out on a few more leaf sets *claps* I must admit I've been toying with the idea of 10k ppm baths for the girls, just a few minute dip shouldn't hurt em right? :jointsmile: Don't worry once I get a few different systems going I'll be sure to have a catastrophy per week for ya'll

Only thing to mention is the slow rise of ppm to 1380 or so...next nutes I add will be a bit low to help bring it down a little more

Bonger I definately want info on the scrog pros/cons/yield when you eventually get it running just thinking about it gets me all tingly...Do you have a certain strain in mind? I was thinkin if ya picked a nice up high sativa you could counteract the low yield Having a 400watter dedicated to one plant would be sick...as it is my 2 plants are getting beastly...I'm sure more training would help

I must say I'm astounded by the speed at which Eve bent herself toward the light...the main stalk was at a 90 and she's pointing directly at the light again in less than 2 days...budsites have appeared everywhere on her even some baby ones only on the 2nd leaf set

Be back later...girl is outta town and if I don't keep up on the chores it will be the whip for me

ASD.....I am going to do Vortex, TGA strain. I currently grow their Jilly Bean and its a great smoke and a beautiful plant to grow as well. I will be using 4 well trained, topped plants under a 2.5x2.5 screen with a 400 watter on em.


Sorry.............but I need more time to recover from seein SS pulls 11 pounds off one 1000 watt HPS........



back later,
b0nger

Some questions for everyone

Bonger I remember you mentioning the use of rockwool...I've read that you end up having watch the ph with these and presoak for 24 hours is that really a concern? I read about oasis cubes being about the same only less of a ph headache and better moisture % The seed start tray I have has a bottom tray holding the water and a little site tray with holes in the bottom of each...I've filled the tray so water comes up through the sites about 1/4 of the way Lemme know if it should be more/less

I'm basically looking at creating 1 item to grow matured seedlings and clones...I'll either be making a bubblercloner or aerocloner pretty much with the idea you detailed before...if there is no real speed difference I might just do the bubble cloner cause it's just for the tiny guys...ideally clones would go directly into this unit and seeds started in the starter tray would be moved once big enough...I'd like to just move the medium from the tray and just squeeze the rw or oasis cube through kinda so it sticks in place there...if a site isn't being used I could just use another cube or find a plug of some sort

from there I'll move them to the aero9 for veg/flower stage...eventually I'll make a different system for flower

I just checked the seeds I started before and unfortunately got a very poor germination rate only 10 of like 30 seeds popped and so far only one has grown to be a viable seedling...coulda been the seeds but I'll run through my current germ/seedling method for critiquing

1. I have a 16oz cup filled with 2 day old tap water ( I found that letting it sit for atleast 2 days stopped the climbs of ph that I was experiencing before I guess 1 day wasn't quite enough for some reason ) I added a very small amount of maxigrow...the tap water started at 160 and I raised it to about 200 so lemme know what range I should be in...ph was right at 7 The new batch of 20 seeds have been in this cup since about 3pm a few I just checked and 8 have already sank

2. Should I remove the seed and plant it in the medium (starter tray) after it sinks, cracks open, or has a little root pointing out of it(if it should have a root how long like 1/8"-1/4"-1/2"?

3. Should I remove it from the cup and put it in a moist paper towel till the root develops more or just right to the medium in the tray?

4. I was figuring the nute mix in the tray should be @ 6.5ph and 200-250ppm?

5. Is there a recommended additive that I should be using other than just a touch of the grow food? I've heard of superthrive but don't have any experience on benefit

I figure since WH loves seeds this should be right up her alley :thumbsup:

PS I can't wait till I have have a nice mom each of a few different strains......damn 11lbs off 1000w is unreal

Here is my method for starting seeds and may I say I have had excellent results with it. About a 90-95% germ rate. I will go slow so you can get it. ;)

1. Put seed in rapid rooter hole already in middle and pre-made for me by manufacturer

2. Pour water on seed and rapid rooter

3. Wait. Keep rapid rooter moist but not wet.

4. Wait more.

5. Plant when sprouted.

Works every time......starting with good seeds of course. Absolutely anything else I would screw up so it had BETTER work. After my experience with these PICKY blueblood seeds I would probably start the next batch (if purebreds) pretty low.....say 150 w/ ro water.....1/2 being CalMag.

I've posted two pics of my plants so far.....germed on 3/5 and placed in hydro on 3/10. The close up one I took to give you an idea of nitrogen overfert. I have a pretty shitty camera but if you sort of squint, look close and tip your computer at about 45 degree angle you might be able to see what I am talking about. The color on the edges of the newer leaves is a pretty dark green and the tips are curled down. This plant (it's a Crystal Limit) is on exactly the same ppms and ph as everyone else but for some reason has decided it couldn't handle the heat in the kitchen so I have dropped it back 100ppm. Ph has remained stable so..... PHHHHHHHH to it.
Seems a little better today and the brand new growth is a better color (cross fingers.)

The other photo is the 8 I have going total. The four in the back are C/L...far back left is the unhappy one and the one directly in front of it, while happy, is a funky curling twisty plant right down to the stem. I'm told that's a mutation thing.....wimps. :p The three in the front are Master Kush Feminized and I can't remember if you can see the one in the closest right corner....one of my russians.:)

I'm not sure if I'll be able to remember the entire germination method...I'll just keep checking back to read up after each step hehe

Even that unhappy one doesn't look all that bad looks like yer gonna have another set of bushes before long ;-)

I don't think I did anything to mess with the seeds but it's always good to hear other ideas...I checked again and already 15 of the 20 have sunk so I'm off to a much better start atleast

Well bOnger it seems as though you have you heart set - I wont get in the way of a man and his ladies! Where is it you saw 11 pounds off of one light?!!! How? I want to see this too. If its real, maybe I'll do a scrog too. Fuck it lets all do scrog. Yeah - I am busy right now. I am going to school for biology - I also work at an AIDS clinic and have a wife and two kids. Oh - and I also have this little hobby. I am taking a class right now called plant molecular genetics and biotech. - we are making genetically engineered weeds. I am thinking about approaching my professor about working in his lab but we will see. Also - the school I go to (university of california - san diego) has a department that studies medical cannabis (called CMCR - you can find it on the web) - I just sent them an e-mail asking to help out with the research - I guess we will see how that goes to.
Fuck. This has nothing to do with droopy leaves. Sorry.

how dare you comment off topic Tomas :p I hope they let you help with research that would be the shiznitiest haha

I just realized I must have gone to 12/12 long before the ladies were mature...they were at 5 and 7 leaves per fan and now both are showing a max of 11...that probably means the potency and yield will be much lower than it should I'm guessing...Do all plants max out at their genetic leaf amount or do they just keep getting more slowly as they get older?

All of the seeds have sunk and 8 of the 20 have popped open already...well 21 total now...I found a random seed outside walmart haha I just opened the door and there it was on the white line so I took it as a sign and added it to the mix hopefully they'll all open soon (I decided to put the orphan seed in a shot glass just in case it had something transmittable)

The first couple times I chose seeds that looked ok and saved all the best ones for a later attempt...of the 3 strains I have 4 if ya count the orphan...this is the first time I'm using the best looking ones

Be back a bit later time for work