Low odor strain help!

All a fan does is blow around the air, no matter what temp it is. If the air is hot the fan will blow around hot air. Everyone uses remote ballasts in enclosed areas just for that reason! Most of the heat involved comes from the ballast so it only makes sense you'll want to put it outside of the closet. Or go with a large bank of flouro's. You'll still have some heat to deal with but nothing like a 250w in a closet with no ventilation beyond a fan. The flouro growers I've seen use 4-500w in each section and end up with very similar flowers as done with smaller hid's but don't have near the heat issues, but still they are there and must be vented! She cut a nice and neat hole high up in the wall near the ceiling but where a finished duct grill can be easily installed to cover the hole. She then installed Dayton a 130 fan and exhausts most of the heat into the wall and attic.

Orange..........you need airflow d00d..........

I'll say this about all that. You got shitty ventilation, you get shitty results. Good ventilation is one of the most overlooked items, and probably one of the most important. PLants NEED fresh air, its a must. Same as us humans do.

If I were setting up a new grow area tomorrow I'd be buying fans, ducting, carbon scrubber, muffler, etc all before I even considered what to grow. And, I would have it installed and tweaked to operate as efficently as possible while providing fresh air, cooling my lights, and exhausting spent air. THEN, and only then would I worry about seeds, nutes, yada yada........

Remember, you create the optimum conditions, you get the optimum results. And it all starts with airflow.

Call me crazy, tell me to go fuck myself, or whatver you want. I give a friend of mine clones and we grow at exact same time. We feed his same nutes as mine, aero setup as mine, HPS light.......and he has extremely shitty airflow and there is really nothing we can do for a workaround (rental apt he lives in). I double his harvest every crop easily. Blowing air around from in the house dont get it. Its got farts and germs and all kinds of shit in it. You need the fresh stuff from outside.

I never did understand why people rarely ever post questions here about "How To's" of proper ventilation.

Orange, if you dont see any point in hydro, try it out sometime.

Hope ya find a workable solution and get the results you are trying to achieve.


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Orange..........you need airflow d00d..........

I'll say this about all that. You got shitty ventilation, you get shitty results. Good ventilation is one of the most overlooked items, and probably one of the most important. PLants NEED fresh air, its a must. Same as us humans do.

If I were setting up a new grow area tomorrow I'd be buying fans, ducting, carbon scrubber, muffler, etc all before I even considered what to grow. And, I would have it installed and tweaked to operate as efficently as possible while providing fresh air, cooling my lights, and exhausting spent air. THEN, and only then would I worry about seeds, nutes, yada yada........

Remember, you create the optimum conditions, you get the optimum results. And it all starts with airflow.

I don't think anyone is gonna disagree with you dude but its just not possible for most indoor closet growers to get fresh air into the closet,its not practicle especially when your only trying to grow enough for yourself. Any big scale grows it is an absolte necessity!

Call me crazy, tell me to go fuck myself, or whatver you want. I give a friend of mine clones and we grow at exact same time. We feed his same nutes as mine, aero setup as mine, HPS light.......and he has extremely shitty airflow and there is really nothing we can do for a workaround (rental apt he lives in). I double his harvest every crop easily. Blowing air around from in the house dont get it. Its got farts and germs and all kinds of shit in it. You need the fresh stuff from outside.

I never did understand why people rarely ever post questions here about "How To's" of proper ventilation.

Orange, if you dont see any point in hydro, try it out sometime.

Hope ya find a workable solution and get the results you are trying to achieve.


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I don't think anyone is gonna disagree with you dude but its just not possible for most indoor closet growers to get fresh air into the closet,its not practicle especially when your only trying to grow enough for yourself. Any big scale grows it is an absolute necessity!

Sure it is! It's nothing to cut a small, 3" diameter hole in the wall and when done simply cover it with a painted wall vent grill when done with the grow. No one will notice it when you move out as it will look like it was put there on purpose and it'll be neatly covered and finished after you screw it into the wall! Or you could even get more involved and plaster the hole when finished but the vent grill/cover will save you needless work for about 10 bucks!

A vent on the inside of a closet is gonna look a bit suspect! And where would you find a vent for a 3" hole that you cut in a closet? Even plastering looks odd inside a closet..

And if your talking about venting from outside through a brick wall into a closet thats even more dodgy! How are you supposed to get away with drilling through a brick wall in an apartment block? Certainly not practical for me and im sure its not for many others too!

LOL......Hash I own rentals, and my lease specifically states you do NOT make any modifications to the interior or the exterior without prior written approval. And, I promise you that I would notice any new "vent holes" someone decided they wanted to install with their pretty new grate.

Shit, I've had rentals for the last 22 years. I have a hard time finding a tenant who can operate a fucking lawnmower let alone cut holes in drywall and then patch, prime, finish and paint when they are ready to move out.

Not to mention you cut into a water line, sewer line, or worse yet an electric line and it kills your ass trying to be stealthy. My advice to anyone in an apartment is you DO NOT cut holes in any walls.

Apartment/closet growing is tuff. Thats the bottom line.

b0nger:D

Well I hear and understand ya bongerstonerd00d and ventilation is one of the first things I considered but I just can't do it. Now I'm not the most experienced when it comes to this but I know damn well an open door brings in fresh air from the outside of the room. If that isn't enough fresh air then I might just have a prob. I'm still gonna attempt it. If it goes bad then it just goes bad and I'll just have to either wait until I get a proper set up or continue to grow with shitty results :). Either way it goes this shit is gonna happen and I'm gonna get something because I need my buds!

edit: btw hydro is just extra money to me and waste of time. I honestly believe soil is way better. Don't feel like going into details but like I have stated before, I didn't start planning this shit this year. I have been planning this for a few years. I have everything under control. I might not have everything I want or need but I know exactly what I want to do.

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Well I hear and understand ya bongerstonerd00d and ventilation is one of the first things I considered but I just can't do it. Now I'm not the most experienced when it comes to this but I know damn well an open door brings in fresh air from the outside of the room. If that isn't enough fresh air then I might just have a prob. I'm still gonna attempt it. If it goes bad then it just goes bad and I'll just have to either wait until I get a proper set up or continue to grow with shitty results :). Either way it goes this shit is gonna happen and I'm gonna get something because I need my buds!

edit: btw hydro is just extra money to me and waste of time. I honestly believe soil is way better. Don't feel like going into details but like I have stated before, I didn't start planning this shit this year. I have been planning this for a few years. I have everything under control. I might not have everything I want or need but I know exactly what I want to do.

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Orangeman is smart. I think he can figure things out. Plus a lot of people like him and will be glad to help him. Plus he loves the plant. And....he wants experience...yeah....pointless post.

Lol Matt. My stuff didn't come today so I'm for sure it'll be here tomorrow. I ordered it late so it probably got sent out Tuesday morning. BTW does anyone know how strict card companies are with their private policy? I have ordered a lot of shit under the same card and if anything raised a red flag all they'd have to do is pull up that one card and see all the shit I ever ordered lol. I sorta feel more paranoid than ever.

just don't get busted man that would suck

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Well that didn't help me feel too much better lol.

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Orangeman is smart. I think he can figure things out. Plus a lot of people like him and will be glad to help him. Plus he loves the plant. And....he wants experience...yeah....pointless post.

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So would leaving the door open slightly and a window open be adequate ventilation?Or would you lose to much light?

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Now I'm not the most experienced when it comes to this but I know damn well an open door brings in fresh air from the outside of the room. If that isn't enough fresh air then I might just have a prob. I'm still gonna attempt it. If it goes bad then it just goes bad and I'll just have to either wait until I get a proper set up or continue to grow with shitty results :).

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Now to me it sounds like it won't be enough ventilation. you should get some type of fan(s). I'm not sure how much light you would lose. If you can't get the proper vents then you might as well try anyways, and if it works, great, if it don't now you got some exp.

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What's funny is you act like I'm the first person to turn to open doors for ventilation. I know it works because I've heard of people doing it before to solve some heat issues. Like I said theres not even that much wattage going into this and I know damn well I'm not gonna be losing a lot of light just because a door is open. I'm just curious how many plants have you grown?

Anyways I have been thinking about getting a carbon filter and it doesn't matter what "ventilation" I need because if I do get it air is only going to be put out of the room. Other than an open door there is no way to supply fresh air, don't mention any other ways I have said a million times and I'm saying it again I have no way to do it. Now...I was wondering how far does the air have to travel through the ducting after it has went through the carbon filter before it becomes "odorless" ? Also the only way I can vent the air is through this little space in my wall. If I stuff the ducting back there (if that's even possible) do you guys think it'll work? I can't put the ducting too far back in there so that's why I'm wondering how long does the air have to travel before it's fresh..Here are pictures. I hope I can stuff it back there :-/

Btw how long do you guys think a 4" filter will work. I'm getting the 4" PROfilter 45 w/4" Vortex Blower

Discount Hydroponics - Odor Control

Some one please reply with experience of one of these things.

Once you draw the air thru the carbon filter its "clean". How long of duct you blow it through after the filter means nothing as far as odor. That space you are going to blow the clean air into goes where ? Remember, fans make noise. And if you are going to need to keep door open you are going to get odors anyways. If only a few plants I am going to say the filter will last around 6 or so grows. I have grown a C99 cross that was to be low-no odor, orange smell or something, and thats bullshit. You can smell it, I am convinced it doesnt matter what strain it is.

I have honestly been thinking about your grow and trying to come up with a idea for ventilation, and HEAR me thru on this. Is there ANYWAY you could cut this door you are talking about needing to keep open and installing a 12"x12" darkroom louver ? Then you could keep a window open, and when your fan kicks on you would be sucking air thru a light proof vent, so no worry about light leaks.............After the air comes in, all gets drawn thru the filter and exhausted into the "space" you are showing ???????? At least that way we are eliminating the reakage from gettin in the rest of the house cause door is open. I know its not ideal, but I am trying to brainstorm to help you out here..........

My point is you are buying all this equipment, so lets use it the way its intended to be used so you can get the best results.

Is the above idea an option or do I go back to the drawing board ?

b0nger

If I bought the filter I wouldn't leave the door open. And how loud are the fans usually when they come on? And btw do you think the ducting could be stuffed in that little space in the pic I attached? Btw in case no one can visualize it this is a ROOM under the STAIRS that leads to the basement. It's a freggin closet. There is no available windows and anything leading out the room would be automatic suspicion. I can't do anything other than what I have suggested and I need to know if it will work.

Oh and I forgot to add. That space that the duct leads to is basically going to the next room which is washer and dryer room. And no I can't really do much because it's a limited space and I can't do anything to the walls so it'll have to do going as far as it can. And I'm sorry. One thing that should be clear to understand is that it's not my choice, I do want to use everything I have the best way I can but I can't. I have to work with what I have.

P.S. I still need to know if the ducting will fit. If you seen the pictures you seen how small the space is. I was thinking maybe I could just force and stuff the ducting in that little space since it's aluminum. I thought it'd be flexible like that or w/e.

OK.....for me to say how loud is loud is like how deep is deep. I am not being a smart ass, and to look up how many decibles it is would also be about useless. All I am saying is you can hear Vortex fans. I use a 10 inch and 8 inch, and they make noise, but its not a concern for me.

Now, back to you. Is there anyway possible you could get some 1x1's and build a frame that you cover in plywood? If so I would go that route and line with foam. Mount the fan inside the box. You can buy foam at any store that sells fabric and sewing stuff. Then I would mount 4 eye bolts, one on each corner of the box. Get 4 of those black really heavy duty bungee cords. Not those real pretty fabric covered ones. You can get the bungees I am talking about at any auto parts store. I'd save 8 small pieces of that foam and wrap each S hook on the bungee cords and tape foam firmly in place. That way on both ends you will not have metal to metal contact (vibration) noise. Then you find the joices in the ceiling and mount 4 J hooks into those. Again, wrap those J hooks with foam and tape also. The idea is you want zero metal to metal contact. This way you can suspend the fan in the soundproof box (hopefully) with no metal to metal contact and keep it as quiet as possible. You deffinately want a speed control so you dont need to run it wide open. Of course you need to cut openings in both ends of your box for intake and exhaust.

I dont know how handy you are, or what kind of tools you have access to, but this may be like you building a Space Shuttle in your back yard, or it may be a 2 hour project.

As for the exhaust side remember this. The shorter you keep it, and the less kinks, twists, bends you have the better. You want as little resistance as you can get.

COme to think of it, I'd cover the outside and the inside of the frame work. But, before I did I would put a piece of foam in that airspace, then I would also put another piece of the foam on the inside as well.

If only you lived in my neck woods and I knew you I could put together what I am talking about for you and it would be perfect. I'd tinker with it for 2 days but what I would not come up with something to make that fan soundproof.

Hmmmm..... I just thought of something. You say on the other side of the wall from the closet is a washer and dryer???? Is there ANY way you could tap into the vent from the dryer ?? That would help you considerably if so.

You honestly need to tap into your creative side on this project. I know it may seem daunting, but its not that hard if you are half handy at all. I'd like to see some other suggestions and maybe between everyones ideas we could combine and come up with a final solution.

I am going to sleep on it and I will ponder some more and get back with you tomorrow.

b0nger

No, no *sigh* I have a headache. I could almost cry right now, that stuff is not gonna work...I can't do anything with the vent of the washer and dryer because people will notice that. And it wont work because I can't even reach back there in the wall. I can only stuff all the ducting I can back there in the wall. I think I need to make a video of my grow room because I don't think you understand just how closed up that space is. All I can do is fit just a bit of ducting back there and the washer room is too far away for the ducting to reach to the other side.

Do you think this might be a cheap and effective solution?

Aireox Home, Office, Auto & Travel Air Purifiers

btw dont mention price. I just want my bud and I will be willing to pay that price if it really works.

OK, I am up bright and early to think this over some more. SO we cant tap into dryer vent, and we cant build a box to put fan in. So..........

Listen O-Man, why do you want to "stuff" this ductwork anywhere? I really dont get what you are trying to achieve by doing this bro. I mean once you draw the air thru the carbon filter its clean (odorless). If you just use a piece of duct (insulated-to deaden noise) to get into that space you want to vent to, thats all you need. By stuffing/cramming/jamming/forcing in there you are going to crush/kink/squeeze, etc. You do not want that d00d. Remember, the path with less resistance is best.

Tell me this, on a scale of 1-10, you consider yourself how handy? 10 being you are completely proficent with basically any power tool made, to a 1 meaning you wonder which end of the hammer to drive a nail with. Dont laugh, I have witnessed people who could not use a screwdriver.

I'd love to see this space in person. I swear to you we could fab something to work. I dont care if we had to cut the drywall and install some furnace ducting down into basement and then hook exhaust from fan to it. Then repair drywall, finish, prime and paint and when done and nobody would ever know outside of it had fresh paint on it.

I have been a DIY guy all my life. I do all my own home repairs, can repair small engines, can do basic wiring, plumbing, etc. Thats why I said previously if only I lived closer I could pack up the truck with tools and come design you the growspace for the 21st Century, unless this is an apartment. Then you are faced with whatever is there. Cutting holes in walls, floors, ceilings is an absolute no-no. You have no idea where wires, plumbing, etc is without access to blueprints and that will get someones attention if you should ask to see those. Plus, you can make one helluva mess in about 30 seconds with a sawzall should you cut a 3/4 inch water line. Even worse you can electrocute yourself and be dead.

I understand your frustration. Its hell to want to be able to do something, and not know how. You also need to understand thats its harder than the hubs of hell for me to try to picture what you are dealing with and configure a solution as well.

One other thing, why does everything need to be so stealth? Are you hiding from the 'rents, roomates, landlord, who ?

Anyone else EVER dealt with what O-Man is dealing with ? If so, give the man some suggestions..........damn Were trying for him, dont be shy.

Its rainy and shitty here today, I will mull over again and see what I can come up with, if anything, based on your situation. I mean, if we cant cut holes, you dont consider yourself very handy, then our options are really fading fast. And dont feel bad, probably 98% of my friends I would not be in the same room with if they had a power tool in their hands.

The ole lady thought I was nuts last night when I was in a closet upstairs looking around asking myself "what if I had to turn this into a grow area". To quote her it went something like this, "Have you lost what little bit of mind you had left?"........LOL:D But, here I can cut holes, run ductwork if needed, put receptables in, easily access attic/basement etc. I own this joint so my options are wide open.



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As far as the air filter link you gave, I have zero experience with those. I've never owned one, or do I know anyone who does to ask how effective they are. ALl I know is carbon filters work, and work very well actually. Unfortunately that doesnt mean jack shit to you based on your situation.

I have seen some here post about ozone generator filters or whatever, but I rarely pay much attention to those posts because I think those things rank right up there with snake oil. Thats ONLY my opinion. They very well may do an excellent job. But, I will never find out.

I have also read here that those odor control CFL's work very well. Again, I have zero experience with them, so I cannot comment. You know, if they really work, that could be a perfect solution for you. Stick 2 or 3 of those in your grow area and zero odor ????????????? Why dont you do some research and try to find out about there effectiveness. They fit standard light sockets, this might be perfect for you, IF they work.

b0nger

Just copied this from another site:

I just picked up a couple of "100" watt cfls from 1000bulbs.com. US$ 5.60 each. These have a special coating which is supposed to help control odors and in my two days of testing I have to say it works. I use the cfls for veg in a small cabinet, with a fan. I've always had a slight weedy smell, and now it's virtually gone.



BUT>>>>>>>>>>>1000bulbs.com website will NOT work.....>sigh< Might be temporary, or they are out of business. They sold every damn light bulb known to mankind. I have visited that site before. I shall try it again later. Surely they aint the only place in America that sells them either.

b0nger

Man I'm pissed off now, I think I'm gonna just order that thing and hope for the best. I need to get this on the road because I haven't smoked in a while and it's so boring and I want weed for the summer. The thing about it is right now it's impossible to do any construction I keep saying this it wont, wont, wont, wont, wont work. I can not cut holes in walls I can not add anything on the walls nothing. And if I buy a carbon filter and the ducting leads to no where but still in the room I don't see how that's getting rid of the smell...also the heat would still remain in the room. The reason why I wanted to stuff it in the back of the wall is because well that's my only option, it's not big enough to fit back there without any forcing. And I can't get it to go in the washer room, I'm sorry that space is way too small for anything like ducting to fit through and I'd have to order a lot of ducting because the grow room and the washer room is very far apart. I made a video of my room but I don't know how much help that'll be for you. It's not really that big of a space. All the fuck I want is a solution for the odor so I can start my grow.

I keep saying this room IS basically the stairs. The minute you come in the house you are stepping right on the room. It is the closet that is under the stairs. There is no windows, there is no way to alter anything to keep it stealthy. Thing about it is there are people that come in that check up on the house sometimes. NO don't say it's not a good idea to do then because they don't step over into that area. But if anything is leading out of that room that looks out of place I don't even want them thinking anything is going on. And there is just people in my family that comes over. The only person that is alright with this grow is the person that lives with me. I don't need to go into detail, if you were as paranoid as me you wouldn't go into detail either..just know that there is only one person that is ok with this grow and thats the person that owns this house. Everyone else doesn't know about it and I know they wont approve of it so I'm trying to keep it stealthy. And yes, it will work if I can find the right things this will work. Here is a small video of the room, it probably wont help much since I still don't feel like I captured enough (and yes I know it's ghetto but it's all I have). Also in place of those fuckin trash bags do you know of anything else I could use to stop light from leaking out? It was just a cheap quick idea I thought of because I thought it might work. Turns out it didn't work all that good. Please tell me when you have seen the video so I can delete it.

http://abok.net/blackjack/Pictures/100_2582.MOV

btw do you have MSN, AIM or something. It'd be way easier to communicate through that because it sounds like you are really the only one that wants this done as bad as me lol. And if UPS runs on Saturdays I should be getting my light, timer and nutes today :).

Will check video in a minute. Yes, I do know something other than trash bags. Get ya some panda plastic, white on one side (will face grow area), black on other side (side you will see when you open door). Cut it big enough to completely cover door and about 6-8 inches around frame. Once you have done that you can cut it down the middle and buy one of those zipper/velcro closures things from bghydro and you now have a pseudo d00r that is light proof. You could then stick a few staples in it to hold in place, or you could staple it to 1x2's and then screw them in the studs in the walls using drywall screws and then I promise you that would not have any light leaks. The side of the 1x2 you stapled it to would be the side against the wall. That way you have the staples, plus the pressure of the 1x2 pulled against the wall with screws to hold it in place. This way you wouldnt always be pulling the staples out and ripping the plastic, etc. That panda plastic is 6mil I think, its damn sturdy. You can even line your walls with it instead of mylar.

Here is a link to that closure:
Light Tight Tarp Zip-Up | Miscellaneous

Here is link to panda plastic:
Mylar/Reflective Coverings

Scroll down the page for that second link to see the plastic.

On other sites I have seen entire veg/grow rooms built with panda plastic on a wood frame and using that zipper/velcro thinger I am talking about.

Another question. Is there electric in this room ? If so, does it have grounded receptables (3 prong) If you got an extension cord running into that room that would certainly get some attention. Ideally, and again not an option I know most likely, but is your outlets for your grow on seperate breakers. For example, if my lights would ever kick their breakers, the fans for the cool tubes are on their own breaker and timer so they keep running to cool the lights down after they go off. And REMEMBER, never load a breaker over 80% of its listed Amperage.......NEVER EVER EVER !!!!!!!!!!

Yeah, the carbon filter idea is worthless if blowing the air back in the same room. As far as you needing to buy ducting, I understand it comes in 25' lenghts only, but you can cut it. Thats certainly not a big deal. I'd have just enough to get into that space versus cramming 20 feet of it back in there.

I am close to raising the white flag on this ventilation/odor control issue. I mean there are basically no options I can possibly think of. Unless one of those filter things you had link to works, thats about it. Harder than hell to vent something when you have no place to vent to. Thats pretty simple to understand.

D00d, is the house AC'd at least ? (please say yes)

And no, I dont have any messenger things. Sometimes I am deep thought at the computer and dont want to be interrupted by someone asking me some mindless question about nothing that means nothing. Like where my wife is or something because I wont answer the fone to tell them. I got rid of for that very reason.

Fuck, Bob Villa dont work this hard figuring shit out.....LOL

I am leaving here shortly, but I will be back on topic later this afternoon upon my return. Wife wants to go someplace and get something for something and insisted I go. She told me what it was, but as usual I forgot to pay attention.

b0nger

Well I was thinking about just ordering this one ducting that says it's flexible with no kinking. If I do stuff it back there in that little area then the carbon filter might actually work. I have envisioned me using a carbon filter every since I first started planning a grow so I think I'll just give it a shot and buy one and try to get the ducting to fit back there. this is the ducting. here's the description

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I think I'm gonna order the 4". When you see the video you might have a better idea of to how the room looks. And yes there is electric outlet already in the room. Unfortunately they aren't 3 prong but I was thinking about buying some adapters. Maybe it will work, maybe it won't but I figure if I can buy a 2-prong adapter for a 3-prong plug for my computer and everything that's connected in this room then it'll work for the grow room also. And btw when the grow starts I might have a grow log or w/e and that'll be my way of communication because once this grow starts off I'm gonna unplug the computer and stay off of it a lot more than I used to because I don't want to use too much electricity in this house.

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What's funny is you act like I'm the first person to turn to open doors for ventilation. I know it works because I've heard of people doing it before to solve some heat issues. Like I said theres not even that much wattage going into this and I know damn well I'm not gonna be losing a lot of light just because a door is open. I'm just curious how many plants have you grown?

Anyways I have been thinking about getting a carbon filter and it doesn't matter what "ventilation" I need because if I do get it air is only going to be put out of the room. Other than an open door there is no way to supply fresh air, don't mention any other ways I have said a million times and I'm saying it again I have no way to do it. Now...I was wondering how far does the air have to travel through the ducting after it has went through the carbon filter before it becomes "odorless" ? Also the only way I can vent the air is through this little space in my wall. If I stuff the ducting back there (if that's even possible) do you guys think it'll work? I can't put the ducting too far back in there so that's why I'm wondering how long does the air have to travel before it's fresh..Here are pictures. I hope I can stuff it back there :-/

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I hope this strongly worded post is not aimed at me I am in the exact same position as you as I have explained in my posts. And what you quoted me saying was a genuine question not an attack on your growing methods! Chill out dude!

Look I'm sorry alright but if you were in the same situation as me then you'd know how stressful it was. I didn't mean to say it like that but I was fed up with not being able to come up with a solution. Hopefully I have figured out everything but on that day I just about had it with this whole grow thing and if my lights and shit wasn't already ordered I would have considered just forgetting about it.

Btw judging from the vid (if you've seen it) do you think 172 CFM will be enough to filter my space?

I've thought, thought, and thoght some more. And I am completely out of options/suggestions. I mean when we cant cut, move, modify anything, what can one do ?

As I said before, the only efficent way to move air is you have an intake larger than your exhaust. Thats it, period, no ways around it, I understand thats not an option for you. So depending on how good that door seals is going to determine how much of a suction you create. Which is less than ideal. But, sometimes you got to make lemonade if handed lemons, so go for it.

At minimum I'd put a speed control on that fan so I could at least idle it back to keep from sucking all the lint, dust, and dirt into your grow area. And I dont care how clean your house is, you have dust, dirt, and lint in the air.

I'd also use the panda plastic with the zipper closure I provided you links to. Light leaks will really piss you off when your plants turn hermie. And light leaks is one of the best ways for them to do that. When its dark for 12 hours, it needs to be pitch dark for 12 hours.

If you are going the carbon filter route I'd probably just attach the Vortex to it, let it suck the smelly air in and blow the clean air right back in the room. Thats all that filter contraption thing is going to do you gave me a link for. It doesnt have any kind of an exhaust. I dont know what you would gain by blowing clean air filtered by the carbon scrubber into that space in the wall. And, whithout exhausting that air out of the room you would lessen the suction effect I would think, which is good.

I'd also get at least one, most likely two wall mount oscillating fans (14-16") amd mount to the side walls to save floor space. I'd want to try to keep air moving around in there as much as possible.

And I sure hope your house is AC'd, because with summer not far away, you will need it. If not you are going to have a mutnherfucker of a heat issue on your hands when it gets 90 degrees outside. For one that H.I.D. light makes heat, and the other is you are not at liberty to have ballast outside grow area, so there is more heat.

I wish you success, and I shall now bow out gracefully and let you proceed. Or maybe someone else here is growing the same as you and has some ideas. I guess I am spoiled because I had the good fortune of being able to use a spare room, and do whatever I needed to set my room up properly. This may also cause me to overlook the obvious for someone in your predictament. Maybe I wasnt the right person to be offering ideas to begin with.

Best of luck with your grow.
b0nger:thumbsup:

I dont like being here in these grow forums but for you and the way you sound just like me "I just want some damn bud or ill ...i got something in my eye..."

All i can do though is tell you about mine and yes its identical to what your saying but WORSE. As in what they everyone else says aaplied to me twice as much as it does to you.

So i had the double sliding door closet you know but i hd only 2 plants so used about as much room as you but the extra room im sure helped with dispersing heat and such.

I had this:

my closet...2 seeds bag...one...count it 1 t5 fluro 4 ftbulb. and i said i need to just try.

So they went great i threw em in there as seedlings in little jiffy pots and threw that light on and the whole time light switching was manual as in i wake up at 6 and go to sleep at 11 with my lights..

They suffered cold nights and i had to open my room door close the closet door and turn up the house heater to in turn heat my room close my door then open the closet to heat it.

your ventilation will depend on how much u can take out of the top of ur closetand how fresh the air is in your room...your window has to be open often.

My things went through most of life alright and as crazy as it sounds ijumped out my window with the two babies almost every weekday to babysit them in the sunbathing and jump back in my window anytime the neighbors (who knew i was doing it by the end no prob tho) came by.

One day a friend let me borrow his 400 wt and it was amazing they took off.. But he took it back 2 weeks in flowering.

the damn things went hermy after 5 weeks and i ended up getting one plants eighth and it was decent and the other was a total waste.

Sad
Problems:
Light problems were basically only the take away of the 400 so untimely and a few nights light stayed on too long and i had to make up for it in the morning.

Vent problems were i had no fan at all and window let in lots of cold so it was hard. I know you can do it if u let enough fresh air in the room and "move" it all aroud nicely which u can with a fan or two.

Basically all i wrote was mumbo jumbo but if u only read one line here it is:

Keep the fresh air flowing in...keep that damn light in check and Bugs will kill you.

Dont feel bad at all right now you should be happy youre starting it finally and try your best to attack problems until theyre solved and do it as they come at you which they will. and wear sunglasses i messe up my eyes in there for hours on end staring at every leaf and every new bud going...they were 4 or 5 headed little monsters a great site to look at. smeeled like rotten fruit and pineapple.

thats all i can do just had to say it as i read the whole thing and what most said didnt relate to a really ghetto grow.

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Originally Posted by bongerstonerd00d

If you are going the carbon filter route I'd probably just attach the Vortex to it, let it suck the smelly air in and blow the clean air right back in the room. Thats all that filter contraption thing is going to do you gave me a link for. It doesnt have any kind of an exhaust. I dont know what you would gain by blowing clean air filtered by the carbon scrubber into that space in the wall. And, whithout exhausting that air out of the room you would lessen the suction effect I would think, which is good.

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So you are suggesting that I buy the carbon filter I wanted, set it up and just have the exhaust fan on so it sucks air through the filter and just have the ducting still in the room? So even if the ducting connected to the fan and the filter is still blowing in the room and no where else it'll still clean the air? I do plan on getting a carbon filter with a vortex fan since they claim it is good for noise or w/e. Hopefully this works because even if some one says this wont work I still just have to find out if it does. So I'm gonna get the filter regardless because I need my bud during the summer and I can't have the house smelling.

Hey Orangeman I.M. me I'll put contact info up for a few .
Peace
Crispi :jointsmile:

Thx Crispi :D I'll add right now. Btw I fixed my light leaks issues and one seed split today. I planted it and it's under 230 watts of light right now for about 3 hours and to my surprise there hasn't been any heat issues :eek:. It hasn't sprouted but I thought I'd just give it light so when it finally does sprout, if I'm not here it'll already have light.

No, I am not suggesting anything. I cannot assure you what/if that carbon scrubber would do in the room when blowing the fresh air back in same space. I have never experienced this before, so before I said I think its a good idea, I will reserve judgement.

You need to listen to these others who are now trying to help. ALl is I know is for it to work correctly you need more fresh air in than smelly/filtered that you take out. Unfortunately, you do not have that option. So I am out of ideas.

I tried, and I failed miserably. Again, I wish you the best of luck with your grow.

b0nger

Actually I don't know if the space in the wall that I showed is blowing air in or out but I think because of it I have no light issues. All 275 (miscalculated watts) has been on since last night up until now and the room is still not hot so obviously that space gives enough ventilation for the heat issues. None of the seeds has come up out of the dirt but the other two seeds cracked today. Now all 3 are planted. Just waiting for proper lights and waiting for seeds to come up. Lights are on 24/7 since I don't have timer :(.

I might not make a grow log or anything like that since I'm not really getting any help that I need so to me a log would be just useless. I haven't even gotten a reply on my other thread asking about my room set up so I'm just like fuck it now. I might just go ahead and do this my self and experiment because obviously this is getting no where asking for help. This thread can be closed now, thanks for all the help but I think the best thing to do now is just to take matters into my own hands. When the plants are done (if they get done) you all will see the results :).

Orangeman, you'll do fine, dude

Thanks Frank! I really needed that encouragement. The two seeds I planted yesterday is still under the dirt but the other seed sprouted today. I think it's gonna be the fastest out of the three. I germinated in paper towel, it cracked in under 24 hours and it sprouted in a day after I planted. Hopefully I can flower them all at the same time :confused:.