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Although Spector did post-production work on The Beatles' "Let it Be" album, which was at the end of their output as they were breaking up as a band, he certainly was not responsible for anything that could remotely be called "the most important part of the Beatle's music". Spector also did production work with individual members (Lennon, Harrison) after the band broke up.Quote:
Originally Posted by SonicBloom
basically this whole thread is people naming bands/artists that are overrated and every opinion is challenged b/c someone likes that artist, ignoring the fact that we're talking about overrated music.
I do agree that the Beatles get too much credit for innovations that others actually created and/or perfected. Still, they did have a very distinctive sound, chemistry for songwriting, decent harmonies, and interesting musicianship. They were very influenced by Americans such as Chuck Berry, Little Richard, the Everly Brothers, Elvis, "girl" vocal groups, and others.
I think the Beatles are wonderful, there music was diverse and almost every song was a hit, when anyone mentions the 60's the beatles are the first group that come to mind.
I think it was more of who was in the Beatles that made them, rather then the band it's self. . .
So you obviously missed the point of the thread, or atleast forgot what thread my post was in. I said that Nirvana was over rated because they are rated highly for their lyrics, and the lyrics are far below average. There are several types of music listening, and if a band wants to be lyric based, I'm going to judge them on their lyrics. Musicians who's goal to is to write interesting instrumental music, I judge by how interesting their music is. It's a fairly simple system.Quote:
Originally Posted by Metaphor
As for "personal attacks", I don't really see it like that. I called you stupid because you are stupid, it's like if you're Irish and I call you Irish, it's because you are.
Chikin sanwich.
yeah, mind explaining how calling me stupid isn't personally attacking? if you think it isn't, well i'm only left to assume, that you are the one who's 'stupid'.. calling someone stupid is a personal insult, no matter how you look at it... calling me stupid is insulting my personal intelligence.... i'm not failing some math test horribly, we have differing opinions... since opinions aren't fact, when you throw around the word stupid (especially when directed at someone with differing opinion) it is an insult..Quote:
Originally Posted by SonicBloom
but w/e... keep it up you'll be banned like the others who want to do ignorant things like that... may not happen for awhile, but it will happen... as for now, i can just ignore you, and not have to read your posts that reek of shit.
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Originally Posted by slipknotpsycho
creating your own little quotes doesn't exactly strike me as the brightest thing to do.. only confirms how immature you really are...Quote:
Originally Posted by SonicBloom
here i am trying to uphold an adult conversation and you're resorting to something that ridiculous...
btw i only made my own little quote you 'supposedly said' just to show you how easy it is... if that's you're only 'comeback' to a logical argument well lol.. i feel sorry for you... maybe in 10 years you can hang with the adults...
....or maybe not.
this is just a great way to start an argument, it doesnt matter what bands you think are overrated. just listen to music that you like...
Ozzy, most overrated singer of all time.
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Originally Posted by slipknotpsycho
You haven't made a logical arguement, not in this thread. You're only arguement was you saying Nirvana has stories in their songs. You never brought any evidence to the table, but you probably can't.
cuz calling me stupid is soo logical, it can not only BE proven, but it has, by someone whos never met me beore.Quote:
Originally Posted by SonicBloom
Sonicbloom, your music is soooo boring and monotonis, atleast your clever pirate song is. Your lyrics are soooooooo much better than nirvanas, i mean, how could someones lyrics that accualy make you think to understand and relate to them be better than someone whos lyrics are so blatantly obvious that a 4 year old could understand them. I mean, if your making music in the first place wouldnt you want it to be for the people who appreciate music and not any douche who has a computer?? ide rather listen to pink floyd then visit your myspace ever again.
and uhh btw Nirvanas on your influences, idk if you were aware of that
Why can't someone have an opinion without a hread turning into a pissfest? I don't get it.
Pink Floyd are really not super duper great in my eyes either. I like a few of their songs, every once in awhile, but other than that, I find their music boring and it makes me sleepy. They don't have much dimension. You can pick out a Floyd song 2 seconds in because they all sound the similair.
As for Nirvana, sure Cobain had a few songs that maybe didn't mean much, but music doesn't have to have deep meaning and thought to make it good. It doesn't have to complicated and a billion notes per song. It's the melody and his voice that I liked so much. He had a voice like no other.
Floyd is just so *zzzzzzzz* slow and dreary music (despite a few songs).
Hey I never said it was your opinion....Quote:
Originally Posted by Veratyr Star
Everyone loves them and I can't really get into them, therefore, I feel they are overrated...
And don't go throwing a bunch of Tool songs to download at me, cuz I know their shit...
i think any band can be overated by anyone person, one person may swear by another band as i may not. its all about taste... i just enjoy listening to music whoever it be.
At least someone's got it right.. :thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by FREEWAYHOBO
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Originally Posted by Metaphor
I never called you stupid, and of coarse Nirvana is one of my influences, I already said several posts ago that I was an avid Nirvana fan in my past.
Here's a tip for you two though, if you want to try and own me, which you'll never be able to do, you should start with legible posts. That is, if you can handle it.
Your taste in music sucks ,you stupid 17 year old fool grow up and wait till you have an opinion worthy off using your only remaining brain cell!Quote:
Originally Posted by Metaphor
i don't post often on this site, but i read several threads that i think may be interesting several times a week. it's incredible to me how threads that should be based on friendly debate last roughly 4-5 posts before turning into an online battle of the bulge. i truly enjoy reading this site, but there is literally NO reason that half of the threads i read should end up like this. i enjoy pink floyd, i enjoy the beatles. i'm not much into nirvana and tool, but i'm not going to say they are overrated because i've only heard a couple songs....they just aren't the type of music that i enjoy. my time on this site is nearing its end because i feel like i can hardly read a thread these days without members continuously bashing one another. i read a thread yesterday about a guy that was having trouble getting along with his mom, and although he VERY CLEARLY stated that he respects everything she does for him, most of the return posts were personal attacks toward him. the guy had a problem about which he was looking for advice and he turned into a human fucking pinata. sorry to hijack this thread, and i don't mean any insult to anyone, but can we just debate some fucking music?
My taste in music may suck in your opinion but atleast i dont stay stuck on classic rock listening to the same mundane albums over and over again. By the way, can you even name some bands i listen to, seeing as how you know every artist i to enough to evaluate them and put them in the "sucks" catagory (sp). Why dont you rattle off a few of my favorite bands?? oh wait, you dont even know WHAT THE FUCK I LISTEN TO. you musicly ignorant bastard. i hope you really love your bells in time.Quote:
Originally Posted by naturesgift
and btw, why did you quote me and respond with something as pittiful as what you said. why dont you prove me wrong instead?
Alright, first off, everyone CHILL.
This thread is packed with personal insults, and it's bullshit. If you can't get your point across without insulting someone, DO NOT RESPOND.
It's high time everyone GROW UP and learn to respond with a little maturity.
I won't close the thread, but I probably should. This is a warning though: if you feel the need to insult someone, do it another place. I'm sick and tired of seeing a bunch of high-and-mighty members feel the need to insult everyone else. Everyone has different opinions/tastes in music, so learn to DEAL WITH IT.
So if you receive an infraction for personal insults, don't come crying to us. Our actions are never unjust, nor do they EVER warrant an explanation as to why you received them. You break the rules, you pay the price.
That said, I hope things have settled down.
Have a good one. :jointsmile:
its a plant, ruler of the board, what IS the most overrated band???
LOL...personally...Pink Floyd and TOOL. Could go a lifetime without ever hearing them again.
I have spoken! :cool:
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it doesnt matter what bands you think are overrated. just listen to music that you like...
nickelback, pearl jam, nirvana.
Dont take my word for it,
you heard it from the man.Quote:
Originally Posted by Its a Plant
The beatles. Not saying I don't like them. Just WAY too over rated.
All this thread did was make us fight. Good one! :jointsmile:
Nirvana
they suck but they have a cool name, because it's my favorite incense. :hippy:
I don't think Pink Floyd is overrated at all- they're not the best, but they put a lot of good stuff out. Simply put, many people equate them with Another Brick In The Wall, or Dark Side of the Moon.
The Syd Barrett era of Floyd, no matter how short-lived, had wonderful psychedelic music. Piper at the Gates of Dawn, and Saucerful of Secrets are great psychedelic albums.
Most of the people (not all) who classify Floyd as overrated usually have only listened to Dark Side Of The Moon and The Wall. In my opinion, those aren't the best albums... Meddle, Wish You Were Here, Echoes, and Animals have amazing guitar work. Have you heard many other artists like David Gilmour play with such clear-cut sound, and genuinely beautiful notes? He may not play speed guitar like some of the more modern nu metal bands, or even classic metal bands, but he uses very euphonic techniques. Instead of just playing a random list of semi-related songs, they use concept albums, which can have amazing potential.
I don't think the Beatles were VERY overrated, a lot of their original material was stifled by Phil Spector- Let It Be... Naked is a good example of the stuff they really wanted to put out. Not the best band in the world, but I really like their stuff.
As for jam bands, like Grateful Dead and The Allman Brothers Band, their fanbase is mostly people who followed their shows for a good time, not just the music. Jam bands are more of a background kind of music for having a good time, not for people to claim 'they're the best band EVER.'
I think Elvis is definately overrated. He was more of an image who borrowed a lot of his riff structures and singing styles from early black American blues/jazz underground music, and made it feel more acceptable for white people to listen to.
Completely correct.Quote:
Originally Posted by Purple Banana
I've heard plenty of Pink Floyd to know that it's all over-hyped by the up-and-coming generations who burn their first joint to Dark Side of the Moon and think it's the best thing created. Oh my gosh are those bird noises? How trippy! :rolleyes: Like I said, personally, they put me to sleep, and always have.
As for jam bands, I see what you're saying about some of the scene being full of "wookies" as they're so affectionately referred to. But I also must say that a lot of jam bands are amazingly talented. Jake Cinninger of Umphrey's McGee is one of my favorite guitarists, and shreds his brains out night in and night out. Dude's stage presence is something special, that's for sure. Bands like Medeski Martin and Wood, Robert Randolph, Old Crow Medicine Show, and Yonder Mountain String Band DEFINITELY have serious talent.
But honestly, I've seen plenty of jam bands, and for the most part, the people that support their live music are some of the nicest people around. This is definitely true for bluegrass, which also is close to my heart, but still, jam bands still have their respectable audience and their not-so-respectable audience, just like any other genre really. ~
im a big bluegreass fan. 'longview' and 'nohting fancy' being some favorites.Quote:
Originally Posted by Its a Plant
I know Piper at the gates of dawn and saucerful of secrets, and there allright albums, but when i say pink floyds overrated im talking about post Barrett. I still feel sorry for you though, if those are what you consider truly psychedelic albums. Sure there alot better than oh, say something like Wish You Were Here or Darkside.. those basicly just any other mainstream rock albums IMO. I would not by any stretch of the words call them great psychedelic albums though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Purple Banana
I agree completly. Floyd doesn't stimulate my mind.Quote:
Originally Posted by Its a Plant
Same with the jam bands too. They are the most talented of any players in the world in my opinion. I mean, you take 3 or 4 guys who have never played together before in their lives, pick the key of A, and they can play songs like no problem, in time, in key, and all improvised on the spot. They are very tanlented musicians.
I like Tool myself though. I find their last 3 albums or so to be really complicated to follow (from a musicians point of view). Their notes are always chaning, but it's the polyrythmic beats that are the most outstanding. The fretless bass guitarist is very talented too. I don't find his lyrics to be the most impressive part if if it either. It's the music itself.
So it's all about tastes really. Some like Tool, some like Floyd and Nirvana, so who cares.
How can you say The King is overrated?!? He is only the reason we listen to rock and roll today. Without him, we'd still be dancing to Lawrence Welk and his orchestra. Plus, the man could sing.Quote:
Originally Posted by stinkyattic
I do consider those psychedelic albums, maybe not THE most psychedelic I've ever heard, but just about anyone who's listened to Barrett-era Floyd agrees those two albums are psychedelic in some degree or another.Quote:
Originally Posted by Metaphor
By great, I mean great in MY opinion, not 'great' as in they were good examples of psychedelic albums, but I enjoyed the two as a whole.
As for mainstream? I don't think those two were mainstream per say, they sold a crapload of albums, but everyone knows that's not a good indicator of music quality. I enjoy their music not only for the guitar, but the symbolism in each concept album. As someone who looks for symbolism every day in my field, their music is heavily laid with it. Some people might not like that. That's okay.
You gotta remember, music is completely different for everyone :stoned: