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in the name of anarchy i spoil my vote
Last time I checked, Hawaii was part of the union. ;) Obama was born in Honolulu. His father is from Kenya, and his mother is from Kansas. They met while attending school in Hawaii.Quote:
Originally Posted by FreeVenice
I like that very much indeed!Quote:
Originally Posted by delusionsofNORMALity
I also like Breuk's reference to the 70s comedian! Was that George Carlin?
I have no recollection who said it - could have been anybody from a political radical Yippie such as Abbie Hoffman, to a humorist like Paul Krassner (also associated with the Yippies, though a milder person). I don't think it was Carlin, though. Maybe I made it up, and forgot!Quote:
Originally Posted by birdgirl73
whats a Yippie? is it pernounced (yu-pi)?
;) Does that make me wrong? Kenya-American?:wtf: I guess I was miss lead. . .Quote:
Originally Posted by Mrs. Greenjeans
A Yippie was one of these folks:Quote:
Originally Posted by FreeVenice
Youth International Party - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Definitely not the same thing as a yuppie (young urban professional).
I figure since he was born and raised on US soil, to an American mother and an African father, and he's a US born citizen, he is more truly deserving of the title "African American" than those of us whose last truly African ancestor first set foot here 400 years ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by FreeVenice
What Obama isn't: black like meQuote:
Originally Posted by Mrs. Greenjeans
by Stanley Crouch
If Barack Obama makes it all the way to becoming the Democratic nominee for President in 2008, a feat he says he may attempt, a much more complex understanding of the difference between color and ethnic identity will be upon us for the very first time.
Back in 2004, Alan Keyes made this point quite often. Keyes was the black Republican carpetbagger chosen by the elephants to run against Obama for the U.S. Senate seat from Illinois. The choice of Keyes was either a Republican version of affirmative action or an example of just how dumb the party believes black voters to be, since it was obvious that Keyes came from the Southeast, not the Midwest.
That race was never much of a contest, but one fascinating subplot was how Keyes was unable to draw a meaningful distinction between himself as a black American and Obama as an African-American. After all, Obama's mother is of white U.S. stock. His father is a black Kenyan. Other than color, Obama did not - does not - share a heritage with the majority of black Americans, who are descendants of plantation slaves.
Of course, the idea that one would be a better or a worse representative of black Americans depending upon his or her culture or ethnic group is clearly absurd. Even slavery itself initially came under fire from white Christians - the first of whom to separate themselves from the institution were Quakers. The majority of the Union troops were white, and so were those who have brought about the most important civil rights legislation.
Why then do we still have such a simple-minded conception of black and white - and how does it color the way we see Obama? The naive ideas coming out of Pan-Africanism are at the root of the confusion. When Pan-African ideas began to take shape in the 19th century, all black people, regardless of where in the world they lived, suffered and shared a common body of injustices. Europe, after all, had colonized much of the black world, and the United States had enslaved people of African descent for nearly 250 years.
Suffice it to say: This is no longer the case.
So when black Americans refer to Obama as "one of us," I do not know what they are talking about. In his new book, "The Audacity of Hope," Obama makes it clear that, while he has experienced some light versions of typical racial stereotypes, he cannot claim those problems as his own - nor has he lived the life of a black American.
Will this matter in the end? Probably not. Obama is being greeted with the same kind of public affection that Colin Powell had when he seemed ready to knock Bill Clinton out of the Oval Office. For many reasons, most of them personal, Powell did not become the first black American to be a serious presidential contender.
I doubt Obama will share Powell's fate, but if he throws his hat in the ring, he will have to run as the son of a white woman and an African immigrant. If we then end up with him as our first black President, he will have come into the White House through a side door - which might, at this point, be the only one that's open.
Originally published on November 2, 2006 - Stanley Crouch
New York Daily News - Ideas & Opinions - Stanley Crouch: What Obama isn't: black like me
Stanley Crouch is a columnist, novelist, essayist, critic and television commentator. He has served since 1987 as an artistic consultant at Lincoln Center and is a co-founder of the department known as Jazz at Lincoln Center. In 1993, he received both the Jean Stein Award from the American Academy of Arts and Letters and a MacArthur Foundation grant. He is now working on a biography of Charlie Parker.
I just don't want his skin color to be the only reason he's there. . .
And I don't want it to be the only reason he's not.Quote:
Originally Posted by FreeVenice
I guess what it all comes down to is: What does middle (read: predominantly white male) America find more threatening in the White House; a n*^^*$, or a woman. One or the other is bound to happen eventually. Those folks who find this a driving concern should just be thankful it's not Oprah who's running, because they'd find themselves with both in the same enormously popular candidate.
And Breukelen Advocaat: American Blacks have a loooong history of discriminating against each other based on skin tone. This goes back to slavery, when the "lightskinned" slaves were often chosen to be house servants, where they "enjoyed" (tongue firmly in cheek) a higher standard of living compared to their brown and black skinned brethren who were largely field workers. Those blacks of lighter hue were seen to be sellouts, asskissers, etc., in the eyes of other blacks. Conversely, blacks of lighter hue bought into the notion of superiority by virtue of their mixed ancestry, and in turn discriminated against darker blacks. It's a tangled mess, perpetuated by slave owners in order to increase their control and property holdings. I recommend the book Who Is Black? One Nation's Definition, by F. James Davis for further exploration of this phenomenon.
None of this race stuff is news to me. Obama does not have the same background as those who are descendents of plantation slaves. He doesn't even have a background similar to most whites - but no American president ever did. Another privileged little punk with a wife that's on the Board of several corporations.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mrs. Greenjeans
Basically, it's more of the same bullshit.
And that is the real problem. Making it about race just muddies the waters.Quote:
Originally Posted by Breukelen advocaat
but that's what american politics is all about. officials are elected based on appearance and how well they can dodge the mudslingers. the issues just get in the way.;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Mrs. Greenjeans
Damned issues.
yeah. if it wasn't for the damn issues we could have gone ahead and elected paris hilton like we wanted to.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mrs. Greenjeans
That would have been so hawt.
if elected every corn farmer in the sun belt will get free subsidized cannabis seeds...
....that would be a lock...in Tennessee...we can't grow corn....Quote:
Originally Posted by Skink
um well Hilary is a crazy liberal, Giuliana is a liberal in disguise, I say neither are fit to be ANYTHING let alone president. I like a good ol' Libertarian party BUT since the chances of that happening are like, 1,000,000,000,000 to 1 I suppose i'll vote for whoever is republican.
Can somebody please please please explain to me how one can be both Republican and pro-cannabis? Reassure me that there are indeed pro-cannabis Republicans on Capitol Hill. Do something to convince me that your very political ideals are not in direct contradiction to your personal practices.
Ready? GO!
Well for me its 2 main things
1- I know republicans are mostly all war on drugs but since i dont have a problem getting it now anyway I dont see it as a proble, more of a pain in the ass. And I personally would rather put that issue on the back burner for now until its realistic. Plus I think the right for me has other more important issues up front now that im more afraid of losing. Like gun rights for example.
2- Im actually libertarian but since they have no chance of getting a major public office (only smaller ones which I vote for them for) I pick a lesser of two evils thing actually. yeah i hate republicans BUT I hate liberals alot more.
i am with him...Quote:
Originally Posted by delusionsofNORMALity
And that is why independent parties will never be president. Still vote for them. Even if its a long shot, it still gets the message out. We can't grow out of this 2 party system until we take that leap of faith. Keep voting Republican or Democrat and there will never be a change.Quote:
Originally Posted by rebgirl420
I like the reform party. We need another Ross Perot to run.
You are more afraid of losing gun rights than going to jail for smoking, or losing rights to your own uterus? Pardon me, but weren't you a woman before you were a gun owner? Are you pro-cannabis only insofar as it affects you personally? Doesn't it bother you that people with legitimate medical needs are considered criminals by the federal government?
I think I should move this to a new thread, so the Rudy v. Hill v. Skink contest can continue unobstructed.;)
....I'm gonna need someone else ...to explain this to me....??...Quote:
Originally Posted by rebgirl420
I'd like to also point out that a well regulated militia bears little if any resemblance to Cooter with his shotgun on his porchcouch, or to Dashawn with his 9 tucked into his baggy ass pants.
And before you lose your cookies, I have 3 guns. I have a Ruger 9, a .22 rifle, and a 12 gauge. I really enjoy shooting, and practice responsible gun ownership. I've owned guns a good part of my adult life. I have never feared losing my guns. My state actually passed a concealed carry law 3 years ago.
wow this is insane I kn ew I shouldnt have brought up politics in a place like this haha
LOL! psst^^^^looky up there. Politics Forum.;)
Rebgirl, I'm glad that at your age you're paying any attention to politics. I don't recall exactly, but I don't think I was very involved. I voted when I turned 18, but I don't think I really examined issues that closely.
You said you hated liberals. That's a really strong sentiment. So I'm just asking you to defend your position. However, this is a threadjack, so I will be considerate enough to move it to another thread. If you'd like to participate, I'd be happy to listen.:)
lemme hit that up tommorow green, im pretty high and I dont think I can give a good argument.
np hon.:thumbsup:
What poll stated that Guiliani is the front runner for the rep. party. I've never heard that.
Hillary is my bitch though, socialized medicine!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Rudy Giuliani is currently leading as the Republican choice in most polls, including Newsweek, Time, Fox News, ABC News, etc.:Quote:
Originally Posted by socialistpete
WH2008: Republicans
Giuliani Has No Real Chance With GOP Voters . . . or Does He?
By Dan Balz
Washington Post Staff Writer
Sunday, March 4, 2007; A01
The 2008 presidential campaign is just weeks old, but already an article of faith within the Republican Party -- the belief that no politician who favors abortion rights and gay rights can win the GOP nomination -- is being challenged by the candidacy of former New York mayor Rudolph W. Giuliani.
The man who was named Time magazine's "Person of the Year" for his response to the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks is now leading in a slew of national polls. He is testing whether cultural and religious conservatives in the GOP will support a candidate who offers strong leadership on security and terrorism rather than ideological purity on social issues.
"This is the first Republican presidential primary since Sept. 11," said Ed Gillespie, a former Republican National Committee chairman who is neutral in the nominating battle. "Rudy Giuliani is a candidate who can clearly test the proposition that a Republican who is more moderate on social issues can capture the nomination. He's testing it now."
Whit Ayres, a Georgia-based Republican pollster, said he has been struck by the number of conservatives he has encountered who disagree with Giuliani on abortion or gay rights but are still attracted to him as a possible Republican nominee. The issue is whether that appeal can survive a long campaign in which Giuliani's New York record, his position on issues, his three marriages and his complex business dealings will be subjected to withering scrutiny.
"It truly is the question in Republican presidential politics at the moment," Ayres said. "There are a lot of people with a more traditional view who think that his leading in the polls is just a mirage and that he has no real chance. I don't believe that. I think there's more to this than simply name ID. "
Many GOP strategists still question whether Giuliani can survive the scrutiny and develop a message that appeals to voters across the spectrum of Republican conservatism. Based on his speech Friday at the Conservative Political Action Conference in Washington, there are good reasons for doubt. Giuliani highlighted his record as a tax cutter, crime fighter and welfare reformer. But he offered little resembling a traditional conservative agenda for the future, other than saying the United States must remain on offense against terrorism. The speech won a polite but hardly enthusiastic response from the audience of activists.
Still, the former mayor's decision to show up at a conference that the other leading candidate for the nomination, Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.), skipped may earn some goodwill with an audience not predisposed to support him.
His strength in recent national polls and some state polls has already prompted many strategists, including some in rival camps, to reexamine their long-held assumptions about a party that is approaching not only its first nomination battle since the terrorist attacks but also the first since the 2006 midterm elections, which put Democrats back into power in Washington. With President Bush's approval ratings still low, Republicans are looking for a winner.
For many months, McCain has been seen as the closest thing there is to a front-runner in the Republican contest. But Giuliani has emerged not only as the popular choice for the GOP nomination but also as the Republican candidate who is currently most highly regarded by the American people -- Republicans, Democrats and independents alike.
The latest Washington Post-ABC News poll showed Giuliani leading McCain 44 percent to 21 percent, with former House speaker Newt Gingrich at 15 percent and former Massachusetts governor Mitt Romney at 4 percent. A month ago, Giuliani's lead was much narrower: 34 percent to 27 percent. Without Gingrich in the field, the most recent poll showed Giuliani's margin over McCain was 53 percent to 23 percent.
A veteran Republican strategist, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to candidly assess the situation, said he is among those who long believed that a Republican with Giuliani's profile would have no chance. He still believes the former mayor faces significant obstacles but said the odds of Giuliani winning the nomination are not as remote as they once seemed.
He gave three reasons: the absence of a strong, traditional conservative in the GOP field; continuing antipathy among many social and religious conservatives toward McCain; and the prospect of Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.) becoming the next president.
Giuliani "looks like he can beat Hillary, make the party competitive again in the Northeast, competitive again in California and allow us to keep our strong electoral advantage in the South and Rocky Mountain states," the strategist said.
The former mayor's campaign team believes it has found a credible path to the nomination. Its foundation is a conclusion that while the overwhelming majority of Republicans differ with Giuliani on abortion, gay rights and gun control, a much smaller percentage of GOP primary voters -- perhaps no more than a quarter -- are single-issue voters who would never vote for him because of his views on those issues, a percentage borne out by the latest Post-ABC News poll.
Giuliani's advisers see that as a reason for optimism. They say those findings still leave a significant majority of the party beginning the campaign open to his candidacy, and they think the more he can emphasize his conservatism on issues such as taxes, welfare and crime, as well as his leadership on national security issues, the more voters are likely to back him.
"Rudy Giuliani and Republican voters are going to find a tremendous amount of common ground on a wide variety of issues important to Republican voters," said Mike DuHaime, Giuliani's campaign manager.
That raises the question of what it would say about the Republican Party if Giuliani were to become the nominee. Joe Gaylord, a GOP strategist close to Gingrich, said Giuliani's well-deserved celebrity appeal from his Sept. 11 response is a powerful attribute in the current environment. But he gave voice to something other Republican strategists are saying, which is that if Giuliani were to win the nomination, "this is a different Republican Party than I know."
Giuliani's advisers also challenge the assumption that he is doing well among Republicans because they remember his post-Sept. 11 job performance but know little about his positions on social issues. They believe that many Republicans are aware of both sides of the story and still find him an attractive candidate. Even some strategists in rival campaigns share that view, based on their own analyses.
Another factor may be working in Giuliani's favor. Many big states -- California, New Jersey and Florida among them -- could hold their primaries Feb. 5. If the former mayor survives early tests in Iowa, New Hampshire and South Carolina, his advisers argue, he will be positioned to do well in the larger states.
Social conservatives make up a significant portion of the GOP primary and caucus electorates in South Carolina and Iowa -- about two-thirds of South Carolina Republican voters oppose abortion, for example. The role of social conservatives is considered to be less decisive in New Hampshire, where low taxes are a bigger priority among GOP voters than abortion.
"I believe the compression [of the nomination] calendar helps us," DuHaime said.
All that assumes that Giuliani's early strength is not a mirage and that he finds a way to transcend his disagreements with conservatives. GOP strategists say he cannot change his positions, as Romney has done in some cases, but Giuliani's advisers believe he can reassure conservatives that he is not bent on a change in party orthodoxy.
On social issues, Giuliani has tried to shift the focus from his positions on abortion and gay rights to his argument that, as president, he would appoint federal judges akin to Supreme Court Justices Antonin Scalia and Samuel A. Alito Jr. His record in New York does not necessarily support that, according to an analysis recently published in the Politico, but a Giuliani adviser said the selection process there is quite different.
Giuliani's having been married three times could hamper his efforts to appeal to culturally conservative voters, although Gingrich faces the same issue if he enters the race. Similarly, Giuliani may have to answer for his past association with former New York police commissioner Bernard B. Kerik, who was forced to withdraw as Bush's nominee to be secretary of homeland security.
Other Republicans will be watching for signs that Giuliani's candidacy is built for the long haul. Right now, he trails McCain and Romney in building a national network of organizations. Giuliani has substantial fundraising appeal, but his first-quarter numbers, due at the end of this month, will be an indicator of whether he can tap his full potential. His skills as a campaigner will undergo continual examination.
"I think that people like him, and likeability is a big, big factor in presidential politics," a senior Republican strategist said. "Right now, I think his numbers reflect that. As you get closer to the Iowa caucuses and the New Hampshire primary, likeability may give way to vote-determinative issues, like abortion."
Said Ayres: "I don't think there's any question those issues will come into play. The question is, will they get traction?"
washingtonpost.com
Can I just shoot myself now?
LMAO!!! Here we got a stoner poll.......about as left wing as I think a poll can get and unless Skink runs, it looks like we stay with the Rep. party for another 4 years!Quote:
Originally Posted by Billionfold
Have a good one!:s4:
The Clash....Rudy Can't Fail
I know that my life make you nervous
But I tell you that I can't live in service
Like the doctor who was born for a purpose
Rudy can't fail
I went to the market
To realize my soul
Cause what I need
I just donâ??t have it
First they curse
Then they press me â??til I hurt
We say Rudy canâ??t fail
We hear them sayin'
Now first you must cure your temper
Then you find a job in the paper
You need someone for a savior
Oh Rudy can't fail
We reply
Now we get a rude and a reckless
We been seen lookin' cool an' a speckless
We been drinking booze for breakfast
So Rudy can't fail:thumbsup:
Have a good one!:s4:
Hillary has NO chance......
Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos...
ABORTIONS FOR SOME, MINIATURE AMERICAN FLAGS FOR OTHERS!
are you fuckin serious? hilary clinton?
what a joke... her first act in office will probably be the banning of grand theft auto