Please help! Droopy Plants

I'm still not sure what I did that changed it but they are looking much better now. I've given them about twice the nutes as before and they seem to be drinking and eating...I'll post a pic to for comparison but I'm almost wondering if they were just out of food considering...a few that were very dark green have gone back to a much nicer forest color and aside from a few nute burn spots the whole lot is looking much better

It's possible they were getting a ton of iron when I was doing the res flushes after I gave them too much food because I wasn't filtering it I'm not sure why this most recent one did the same thing though cause I was filtering that water but stranger things have happened ;-) I'll keep an eye on it WH...I'm using maxigrow which has the trace elements as well cause my water is at 200ppm to start I'm running it through the britta before I make changes...the ph has settled in to a very slow climb which I've been told by a few seems to be the norm

Thank you for the info on grow rates JW it's a huge help to have a reference as far as I can tell they are growing almost 1/2 an inch a day which is right in line with what you were saying....

I've got a few more things to check tonight but I'm startin to relax a bit as things have calmed down

Now I'm thinking about topping one of the plants cause it's considerably taller than the others if it slows down growth for a couple days that may be just the thing to get the others caught up and since it grows faster maybe 2 main shoots will slow it down to be with the others...I am a bit nervous about takin scissors to the tree but hopefully with some more reading I'll be ready

I think I got a day or 2 before the top will be ready for cutting I've read only having 2 nodes is best for the size of the clone, whatcha think?

Sorry bout the crappy pic again I'll get a better one if I can figure out what's wrong with my digicam I tried to take a pic when the light was on and it messed it up...the screen is all jumbled now hopefully it'll fix itself

Not too much iron......too little. That's why mine shaped up when I put in new nutes.....I had had them on a lighter nute solution than my last grow (think it was 700ppm instead of 1000ppm) so when I put in more nutes (as you did) they got better. Still just a guess on my part.....one of my many advuntures in messing up my plants :)

Well throughout the day today I checked in a couple times and noticed they were really looking perky but by the very end just before the end of the day most of the smaller ones were looking a bit droopy again...not sure what's causin this yet but the biggest one seems to be loving the light...maybe the others just were pooped from growing by the end and were just ready for sunset

they definately look a lot fuller though over the last couple days I took another pic to post as comparison atleast this one had a flash so it won't look like a dungeon ;)

Still on the fence about topping the tallest one but I'll have to make my decision either tomorrow or the next day as far as the others I'm just hoping they keep growing...

I'm actually tempted to start flower in the next few days and just see how they do but some are still really small so I don't want them to finish flowering at like a foot tall haha I'm tryin to be patient whatcha think about just putting them into flower and seeing how they turn out?

In the pic you can see some signs of nute burn, possibly some heat stress, & a touch of droopiness still not sure what's the root cause of that but I guess if they only droop a little bit toward the last hour or 2 of the day it's not the biggest deal I'm considering this run totally experimental at this point so any yield will make me happy of course the more the better heh

I was checking the roots today and noticed a lot of them are starting to get tangled and wrapped around the spray tubes...I'm not sure if it's just best to let them grow around as they need to or should I take some time and get them all seperate? I'm thinking about goin to flower in a couple days

I'm gonna top the tallest plant so they are all about the same height and just see how it goes from there I'm hoping I can top it and keep as a clone for more if it turns out to be a monther...I figure the least it will be is cloning practice I'll update later tonight with the results

PS the Roots are looking a bit offwhite now compared to the bright white they were before is this normal as they get older or should I treat them to help avoid the RR

At first the clones leaves were droopy and fell right down flat but it seems that it only took from this afternoon till now and the clone looks like it's perked up again...I'm not positive but I'd assume if the leaves have picked themselves back up and fanned back out so that's gotta be a good sign the rest of the plants are actually looking quite crowded in the tub so I'm thinking once I see the first sign of growth on the plant I topped I'll be putting it to 12/12 the next night...I'm hoping for atleast half to be female but 5 would be ideal and should clear up some room for the leaves to spread out since it's got 9 spots putting in 5 would make an X and should let the grow much more without encroaching

I'm starting to notice a mild odor from them each time I enter the room so along with sealing light leaks those are the next 2 items on the agenda

Thanks for everyones help...without it I'm sure they woulda already died but now I'm even starting to think they might make it to smoke WOOHOO!

ASD, I think it's time you invest in a ppm/tds meter. You need some sort of guide here....your plants are definitely reflecting the guesswork you are using. They're better, then they are worse, then better. Some of what you are seeing are reflections of the ph probs but others aren't and you arent going to know without measuring the different things you are doing; otherwise all your future grows will be the same frustrating experience any time you have a problem. :thumbsup:

Everything seems to be going along just as sluggish as always haha...almost through week 6 and most are around 8 inches tall the one in the bottom middle of the pic is the runt of the litter

they are frustratingly small at this age but 2 good things is the topping that I did on the giant has rendered 4 grow shoots and the clone seems to be rooting as it's still looking pretty healthy it's been 3 days so hopefully I'll see some new growth soon

I think I see a few preflowers 1 looked like a girl and 2 looked like males but the rest I had no idea so maybe it'll go 50/50 for me either way it's time to put them to 12/12 and take notes for take 2

Hi ASD,

Thanks for the kind words on my other thread. The smoke has turned out to be excellent.....more kick ass than I have grown so far.

Are these guys drooping like that just at night or also during the day? Can you get a photo of them during the light period? The obviously have grown tons!

day 2 of flower...I was debating on goin 24h dark cycle to jump them but I settled on 16 hours I think that's enough of a shock considering they've been in 18/6

The preflowers seem to have grown enough to notice anyway so hopefully this next 12 night will give me enough to tell the sexes for sure on some once I confirm a male I'll remove it but I'd say I have a week before I'll get em all

The ph has been relatively pretty stable....very slow climb if any I'm hoping to have a testor tomorrow so I'll be able to keep a better control over ppm I can figure out water type and nute level way better

They are progressing much better in my opinion and if they stay on this course I'm hoping they will top out max 3ft once I know the sexes I may choose to go 14/10 to help give the mothers more time to grow

I'm not sure but I may take crappy under canopy growth and create clones...I think I mentioned somewhere back it's 5 cindy99 and 4 indica (very fleshy leaves) 3 cindy and 2 indica would be ideal

Here's 2 pics one of all and one over the 4 shooter and to answer yer question WH it was a 2 1/2 hours into darkness the previous pics were in the middle at about 4 hours into dark...They seem to stand up much more during the day I can't seem to take a picture without it messing up the camera it gets all these lines some of the earlier pics I took were like that I'll try to get one without that affect

Commitment! Good for you! They do look much better and have grown but I swear there is something odd about them....everyone has their big huge lists of stuff that they worry about but mine''s rather small.....Ph level, nutrient level, water temp (and I'm fairly casual about that and room temp---10 degrees or so from center wont' worry me) and then the lighting....too close or too far? I swear it has to be your nutrients.

When I used to struggle (horribly) with soil my plants would do that at night....lower their leaves and rest them then bounce back up in the morning.

I agree 100% that there is something not quite right and it really might be the nutes I got maxigrow(2-1-3) and maxibloom(1-2-3) by gh for nutes but I'm not convinced the ratio in it is ideal for mj I'll hopefully be able to post with an update on my findings with the new toy/toys I pick up tomorrow and it's probably wise to spend some time reading up on nutes as it's next on the list

My honest guess if the ph is correct is that you are low on nutes...the fear of course being then putting in too many nutes and poof, which is why I suggested the ppm meter. Glad you are getting one because hopefully it will solve your last issue with them.

I know there are tons of people--who grow better weed than me BTW-- who are very strong on WHICH nutes, must have these additives, room temp, humidity etc. My feeling is that it IS a weed and not very many of those things are ideal in the outside world so to me it doesn't pay to worry about those things until after you have solved the basics, especially in hydro. And seriously if you knew even PART of the list of things I have done to mine that were bad only to have them bounce back when the problem was fixed....really you have to be a pretty hardy plant for that. :)

I picked several items today a fan/filter and most importantly the tester...it's a Hanna 98129 it's not the best or anything but it's a 4 in 1 with ph/ec/tds/temp with 2 point auto calibration and temp adjust the ph has display down to the hundreths and is accurate to .05 which should be more than enough for my casual application...I chose this model because other testers were only cheaper by 20-30 bucks and weren't nearly as accurate this one got a bunch of good ratings and the next step up was over $400

The instructions say to let it sit in storage solution (which I didn't buy) for 2 hours before calibrating so I'm just soaking it in tap water now...I've heard a bunch of people say they have the pen testers and just store it in tap water and that the pen is still working the same several years later...I'm probably gonna pick up the solution and a bunch of other little things as I get the rest of the room completed (finally)...probably another 30 hours of work or so left

The plants are looking bigger each morning when I check on them and in a few days the final res change before going with bloom nutes...Stil can't tell for sure which are males/females but I can atleast see the (parts) on all of em most look kinda ballish but I'm hoping it's just too soon haha

And WH I'm sure there are people out there that can grow weed that's not even like weed anymore haha but your advice is always directed and keeps me focused on making the plants better immediately rather than worrying about every little thing that's not perfect about the setup so I have appreciated it a ton ;-) my goal is to learn about horticulture and avoid having to feed money into groups I really don't approve of just to get some mj

I'm pretty anal though so I'm sure as the room and skill progresses I'll get better it's just a matter of time...more pics and info on the new toys tomorrow once they are operational...I'm psyched about bein able to tell how much food they actually have

Since I've given them more food they've started to pick up much more during the day, however, they still droop almost saggy at night...until tomorrow ;-)

Well THAT thing sounds totally cool....I have a Hanna but not nearly that fancy....does ph and ppm/ec...and the thing is never wrong and never goes off calibration. And seriously, I'm hard on my stuff. That should do you more than well. :) uhhh, not sure if I soaked mine or not....and I just dry the thing off for next time. Told you I'm hard on things.

Thanks for the kind words and it does make me think....it does seem as though instead of feeling helped it feels like people just give folks a bunch more stuff to freak out over.....but none of that does anything for you until you have the initial stuff down. I have a very good friend who's trying to grow hydro but in a very slip-shod way, started lighting at 12/12 (forgot to check....) is using these poor cfls for flowering and isn't happy with the amount of bud growing.....doesn't check her rez amounts etc...so there's a point where you have to commit to doing the basics right and then if you want more yield etc, go from there. All cool to make sure you worm the dog or whatever but make sure you're feeding it first.

I am PONTIFICATING :jointsmile: that your ppm is probably pretty low and will have to come up.....slowly. You talked before about aero and droplets etc....now way out of my range....so it's time to find someone who knows about that stuff. I am wondering if you may want to hold off on switching to bloom nutes depending on what your ppm level is.

I just got done playing with the tester and getting the root situation cleaned up a bit the roots are relatively healthy just growin all over the place in there haha

My tap water is about 200ppm after goin through the britta it's a bit over 100ppm

The res ph is 5.84 or so and it seems to be about as accurate as they claim according to the solution tests

The ppm in the res was pretty low it was like 315 and 115 or so of it is the water so I upped it to around 450 I figure going from 200 to 325 shouldn't be murder on em considering they all have a pretty decent root system goin atleast 18 inches long out the bottom of the nets for the smallest one...

I still can't tell gender on the majority but I believe I have confirmed 2 females...which is atleast a start but since they look so close I wanna make sure it's a guy before I chop em

It will be interesting to see if the leaves stretch up more than before with the extra nutes I'm hoping so cause if I can get them on track to start bloom they might not turn out horrible...

The fan and filter combo are amazing I can't smell anything in the room...even the musty basement smell is completely gone so for that alone it was worth the investment

I'm feeling more confident that the next grow will have most of the kinks worked out...

Yes, afraid that was the problem. A tester is so helpful.....you really have to reduce dosages after (or if) you overnute (as I have in my day) but then they certainly need their nutes to flower with. :) I don't know really how much differet aero would be from my bubbler ppmwise considering the spray .....my plants are usually at about 800ppm (using R0 water I start at 15ppm) when I turn them and the one time I ran into iron troubles was when they were at 700 and should have been at 1000 or around there. You may want to contemplate holding off on turning them until they are up there a ways. Keep careful watch for overnute....curling edges, etc (I don't think you will see this because I think they will soak up every nute they can find but...) and keep upping them slowly. Hopefully you will soon have some normal plants. :D

One last note....make very sure about male vs female before you toss them. There is one point where they sort of all look like males....;)

Yeah good call WH I'm definately waiting to be sure it's male...since I've been noticing the sex growth they all kinda look ballish but 2 for sure are showing a strand(s) coming out of the ball which I believe means female...I may end up just getting a microscope viewer cause I should probably have one for harvest anyway I bet that would make the sexing easier anyway

I'll post a few more pics in a day or 2 hopefully I'll know the girls by that time later all

Well ASD? Good news? Bad news? ANY NEWS?:jointsmile:

hey WH they haven't really shown one way or the other yet...

I'm using half grow and half bloom nutes now which total close to 500ppm the grow nute has 10-5-14 and the bloom has 5-15-14 there is a 3rd nute that seems to go along with the maxi line called kabloom or somethin that has like 2-38-5 or something which says to add with bloom nutes

what would you say is a good nute to use for bloom? I'm debating on just buying that third one in the maxi line cause they look like they're designed for each other...but if you have a suggestion I could easily just change the nutes I'm using the hydro shop has just about everything...I also have a b-cuzz bloom stimulator which I'm gonna put in once I get yer feedback with the next res change...The res is about due anyway and I figure I can go to full bloom nutes some of the maxibloom/kabloom/bcuzz stimulator unless you have something else that you think would work better? I'm not really sure of the ratios people look for when it comes to the blooming I know ya want a really high P but yours came out awesome and mine are starting to look similar and have about the same target height as well so I'd appreciate yer input ;-)

During the light phase they are really perky now I guess the extra nutes helped out although they still seem to droop almost the same at night...They look healthy and the leaves feel better than before...I've also noticed the water stays at the same ppm and ph as the level goes down in the res so I'm figuring I'm just about perfect...there's a slow rise in ph like .1 or .2 every 24 hours

I haven't tried any of the maxi line of nutes so cannot offer you any suggestions there. I like the stuff I use....(Botinicare) but I wouldn't change anything you are doing if it is working for you. :thumbsup: I sort of like to stay with certain lines myself as well because they do seem to enhance each other. When I go to bloom nutes I just change over one day....(I asked about this to my hydro guy cause I'd be more like you....switch slowly)....and he said no...just boom. My usual schedule is to start them at about 200/300 ppm and raise the level one hundred ppm once a week until I hit 1200-1300 then hold it which usually is for a few more weeks. At about the third week of flowering I add the bloom stimulater type thing and cut the reg bloom nutes in half. They are usually at about 800ppm when I turn them and I I change the light over at the same time. About 200ppm of that is suppliments....Liquid Karma and Sweet...and 50% of the total ppm is Cal Mag because I use RO water. I may be revamping this however because I just spoke to X-C who gets about three times the yield I am getting and I full intend to find out how he does it!!!

Interesting side note.......just put some new little purebred feminized seedlings s in my setup and started them at 200ppms.....NOT HAPPY.....touchy touchy so I am starting to see how certain ones could definitely go without nutes for awhile as the big boys have said....the other ones in my setup are fine with it so.....

How about an updated photo of the herd when you can?

Still wasn't able to get a closeup my camera doesn't work during the day and I can't seem to get any good pics with the small resolution otherwise I can't mail them so this is the best I could do...I can't really tell the difference between any of them yet...they all look like they have some kinda ball where the bud site should be but I don't see any hairs *shrugs* hopefully it's too early I can't imagine I have all 9 males...

When I change the res I'm thinkin about doin the maxibloom with kabloom and then the bcuzz supplement I don't know if maxi is ment to be used with kabloom or you use maxi for a bit and then switch to kabloom or what but I'll ask my hydro guy when I stop in tomorrow...anyway here's the pic they are definately much bigger I really hope I can tell which are males soon because they are growing all into each other

Holy CRAP! What did you do to them?!! They are HUGE! They look really good ASD, good work.!!. What a MASS! :D

I've just basically followed your advice WH...I think one of the biggest things was getting the meter because it let me know how much the plants wanted to eat...I've gotta pick up a few things tomorrow and still have more work on the room but pretty much all that's left is sorting out male from female ;-) I've still got my fingers crossed...hopefully they will will keep truckin along like they have the last 5 days...

Well they look really good at this point. They seem to be a nice healthy green color too so :thumbsup: I feel that once you get the basics of hydro it does seem easy and of course while you can get by it REALLY helps to have the equipment to keep things on track. Right tool for the job blah blah. Otherwise it's just guessing and that can really be frustrating.

You've done the work here so it's your ballgame. :) I will check back and see how things are; males/females etc...

Good thread you guys! Good advice and good job following the advice. I love this site.

Thanks Tom :)

Hey WH you said you use RO water, I was wonderin what type of system you have...all the ones I've seen have to be installed to a water supply and have a waste line of water...not the end of the world considering water is like 1/4 a penny per gallon here but I was just wondering if yours required installation or is it just one where you pour the water in a top res and it comes out in another tank where it's purified?

I've seen this one online that claims 100gpd at zero ppm 6 stage ro+di...it looked like the ebay price was like 160 after shipping with a tank...I'm looking into this cause the britta is a pain in the ass to use and it still only gets the water consistantly under 120...I'd prefer a system that would definately get under 30ppm but obviously the closer to zero the better...

Thought here......when I first started this project my hydro guy told me to try my tap water first....just straight.....because it is loaded with good things like calcium, iron etc...The main problem with tap water is that sometimes (I have well water by the way) there are things in it which keep your ph from remaining stable. This happened to be true for my water and I have the very same problem using it for my fishtank. The ph climbs...no matter what....no matter where. I tried the britta filter (which didn't do anything for me) and (ps my hydro guy says all those filters do is take out the good things like minerals etc...so he is not crazy about them....the britta type things I mean) and it was only after my hair was standing on end with frustration that we broke down and bought an RO filter which turned out to be exactly what I needed.

I was thinking about you yesterday and was again PONTIFICATING ;) to perhaps suggest you try your regular tap water. According to what i have read you would simply mix your nutes to the number you need and just add that number to the number you started with in your water.....in other words just pretend the water is at 0.

Is there a way you can test your water...minus britta....to see if your ph will remain stable? Perhaps put a fair amount in a bowl, test it, adjust it, leave it, retest....over a day or so?

I am certainly not arguing that you should not buy an RO system if you'd like....I love mine....use it for the fish and the plants but I am just remembering my hydro guy telling me that generally tap water is good for your plants. Even the small amount of chlorine in tap water can be beneficial for them apparently. Just depends on your type of water.

More thoughts....I mentioned trying your tap water because you are using it already (w/Britta) and seem to have your ph probs under control. When I used the Britta it did not help control the ph of my water at ALL. Your plants also seems to be liking that water and growing nicely with it so that is why I'm betting it's worth trying rather than investing in an RO system.

I do love my system...it's a SpectraPure....50gpd. There are several things involved with these systems just to give you a heads up. Ours is extremely easy to set up and take down. Just screw the line on to your faucethead or hose and find someplace for the waste water and a bucket for the processed water. Couldn't be simpler. Like hooking up an extra hose or something.

If you use RO water you will need to also use CalMag or something to help replace lost minerals, calcium etc...

You will need something to keep your RO water in.....we use a 50 gal plastic storage barrel. A clean plastic trash can will work fine for you. Once in awhile I have to toss some H202 into it to keep algae out and we have a fish heater in it to keep the water at about 65 degrees.

Don't know what area you live in but on the box in HUGE letters it says you cannot leave your filter outside in freezing temps....

When i looked into these filters I asked a couple people about RO vs RO/DI and was told that RO alone was a better choice for fish and plants. I cannot remember why but.......I'm sure someone else on these boards knows the answer to that.

Just some more cud to chew on and meditate over.....

cool thanks for the info...I had tried tap water in the beginning and I think that was one of the issues they had...once I switched to the britta I could definately see a difference that looked to be directly linked as far as I could tell...so I'm thinking if 200 to 100 was that much an improvement goin from 100 to 10ish or 0 if possible would be best to start. I did a lot of reading on RO systems and found that the last step in 6 filter systems makes it better to drink taste etc don't know why water with nothing in it wouldn't have the most prefered taste but maybe it would feel weird on your teeth cause it's so hungry for molecules or somethin the ions. For plants it seems that as close to 0 as possible is ideal and add nutes from there...for humans it seems that some treatment filters help taste and benefit like some calcium in trace parts so it's not pulled from your teeth etc...I'm debating on getting one cause our tap water is at 190-200 and that's just not acceptable for plants or drinking...the cheapest I could find 3-5 stage systems was 100 bucks a bit more with storage tanks and pump(s) etc

I chopped one down today, I was 99% sure it was a male as I could see several ball like lookin things in one pocket...I took a pic but not sure how good it's gonna be, I'll post it a little later. down to 8 potential I'd be happiest with 4 or 5 so hopefully the food I'm adding today will help expedite the sexing process

That's always what I look for...several pods together before I'm really sure it's a male. Sometimes it can take awhile to be really sure.

The RO system I have is only a three stage basic since I only use it for the fish and plants. I don't know if a 100/gpd system would hook up the same way especially as you plan to use the water for drinking etc...so pays to check I'm sure. I have been EXTREMELY happy with what it has done for my plants and could not be convinced to change back at this point. If you have had problems with your original tap water then yes, this is the way to go for you. Aren't we bad once we start tasting a tidbit of success? :D

Growing these plants has become extremely addictive in and of itself to me and sounds like you are heading down the same path..:)

I cut another male down today I think I got a better picture of this one so lemme know what ya think but I was convinced it was male...actually most of the ones that had any sign of sex a week ago seem to be all males hopefully I'll have atleast 2 girls I'm fairly sure about 3 more males but I'm gonna give em another day or 2

I have the res at 5.9 and just over 600ppm ( 2/1 teaspoon maxibloom/koolbloom with a bcuzz stimulator )

Anyway I'll get a pic of some of the tops...1 of em that looks male is all white and bushy at the top I'll get a few more pics later tonight...

Yes that's a male. Bummer. The good news is that generally the males show first (I guess so they can be ready to jump on the females) so you will usually see them before the females (except for the preflowers.) The ones that lag and take forever are usually the babes. Males also tend to be taller and lankier looking then the females Neither of these things are set in stone however so always best to wait and make sure. :) ;) The leaves on your plants look great ASD! Nice and healthy from this photo. Keep it up.!! :thumbsup:

Hi always...

Looking oh-so-much better! Glad your babies recovered.

Hey mack good to see ya unfortunately bad news

ok well I've just finished chopping some more down...one of the males looked awesome it had a tight cola forming but it definately had a lot of balls showing too

Out of the 9 to start 6 have been confirmed males...I believe the original giant that I topped has shown female there is one node with 2 little white hairs comin out so atleast the pruned and biggest tree is gonna be a female...of the 2 left to sex one is a short stout indica which has really nice development and node distance and the other is a thin weak looking thing that got overtaken by the taller males so I'll have to see if it will recover and thicken up

I'm pretty sure about the 1 female but I'd love to get the stout indica atleast as another girl cause they were the 2 best looking ones of the bunch and it would make up for the 2/9 female/male ratio I read somewhere that stress makes em more likely to be male so maybe that messed them up even with the stress I'll be pretty bummed with only one chick...

I'm going to be taking clones off the big female and I guess just wait and see on the other 2 at this point...I'm also planning to start another round of seeds that I'm thinking about just growing and sexing really early to find the girls and just cloning from there rather than growing them as big as I did this time...

With all the males I cut down it's sad that none is even worth smoking...except maybe the top of the hairy lookin one it did look pretty sick with the little bush on top haha I might try to catch a buzz off that when it's dry but I can't imagine it'll work

Time to pray the last 2 are girls

I've cleaned out all the stray roots and moved the remaining girls to the corner spots...From now on I'll call the best girl Eve as she was biggest from the start and first to show pistils...the thin weak one will be called Olive...and the dark leaved stout one Zola

I'm not positive the last 2 are girls yet but I'm just being optimistic :D

I have a clone of Eve started already and it seems to perk the leaves up when I put the dome on and after a while of the dome bein off it seems to droop back down...Not sure how the clone should really start to look and all that but it's definately been more than 2 weeks...the very tip of the leaves are yellow and on one of the bigger fan leaves yellow is spreading so any advice would be appreciated

I'm thinking about getting or making an aerocloner cause once I know which are girls for sure I'm gonna take more clones from Eve and Zola if it's a girl...I'll wait and see how olive shapes up before I bother messing with her

I'll post a pic a little later tonight

PS.....PH is almost 6....ppm is almost 600...the water level should drop slower which will be nice as they were drinkin a few gallons a day with all 9 ;)

Yes ik'm told stress can make more males than females.....if you are going to clone though it won't make any difference at that point. I will check in to make sure the last two are girls......here's hoping....

I've noticed the ph climb faster than before with the bloom nutes...I'll have to keep an eye on the speed it rises...

The pic shows Eve at the top left Olive at the top and the bottom right is Zola

The pic is kinda blurry but it shows well enough the size of em...

Olive seems to have a hard time holding the leaves up...not sure if it's just a bad plant or what but she's definately thin stems

Yer right about the clones...Eve is a definate at this point unless she goes herm on me and as long as Zola is a female I'll be taking clones of those 2 because of the traits...Eve is a fast grower and Zola has a very dense node setup...I didn't even top her and she's got 7 cola's the same amount as Eve which was topped

I'm not sure how well the clone of eve is working out but I'm thinking I gotta get a cloner cause the dome doesn't really allow for much growth with only a starter plug

WH have you heard that seeds produce more yield with higher potency? and if so how much more than clones? I'd rather just run with clones unless seeds are really that much better I guess I could run a batch for seeds...

It'll be interesting to see how the smaller ones react now that they aren't being smothered ;-)

Here we go! Pistils and everything! Now the fun begins!