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Originally Posted by Chronic Chrissy
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Simply brilliant.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chronic Chrissy
I already explained it - in the above posts. If you don't agree that Oprah's author-friends are a tad shy of brilliant, fine. If you also believe, as Oprah does, that Ruben "Hurricane" Carter was a fine upstanding citizen that was unjustly framed for all of his crimes, that's your right as well. If you think that Alice Walker* is worthy of our admiration, read about a few of her shenanigans and her mindset here: http://www.discoverthenetwork.org/in...asp?indid=2001Quote:
Originally Posted by Mrs. Greenjeans
Like I said, I have no quarrel with Winfrey's do-gooder work for some of her causes but she, and her literary pals, are not the great intellectuals and artists that theyâ??re cracked up to be.
It's only my opinion.
*Alice Walker:
Pulitzer Prize-winning author
Longtime admirer of Fidel Castro and Mumia Abu Jamal
Thinks the key to defeating Osama bin Laden is "love"
I'd have more respect for her if she didn't act like she deserves so much attention. The school in africa thing was the straw that broke the camels back. The fact that she was a biatch when she wasn't invided to Tom cruises wedding turned me off to.
She's not a bad woman, but if she would flow some of that money domesticly and didn't make a big deal about it, then we'd be square.
Oh and that school she build is a POS. It's like an LA resort with spas and whotnot. I've heard experts say that she could have built a school to teach hundreds of more kids than the one she built.
All in all, not a saint, more of a martha stewart type. Just a bit nicer than martha.
I read a thing in the news paper the other day that Kitty Kelley, thatwicked biographer who's done books on Jackie Kennedy, Sinatra, Elizabeth Taylor, the British Royals, and Nancy Reagan, is working on a book about Oprah now. I'm surprised the publishing world would let that happen, as influential as Her Royal Wealthiness (my wife's term) is in the book industry. An unauthorized biography of Miss O ought to be a doozy.
I don't watch Oprah's Show but I think she's a hotty :jointsmile:
My mother is absolutely convinced that Oprah Winfrey is the Antichrist.
Well it used to be the most well known name across the globe was Mohamad Ali,,,I bet it's Oprah now,,,LOLz...
I kind of get the sense that some people who might have, or think they might have, an above average intelligence tend to use it in all the wrong ways.
Why argue against Oprah? Why do you really hate her?
All the arguments I've read so far just seem to be unsatisfying.
I'd have to say I'm pretty neutral on the subject. Regardless if the school she built turned out to be garbage (I don't know if it did or not), she still put out an attempt. It still cost money. The effort itself seems to be enough to justify it.
The way this world is going, if a person changes the life of another, just one other, for the better, that alone is a positive achievement. Oprah, i dare to say, has changed the lives of millions.
I tend to notice that this discussion is taking place mainly amoung americans. It seems like she isn't the global icon that we are made to believe she is. As for her school I agree that schools in Africa are a better way o spend money because
a) everyone there dreams of an education they want to learn and value school higher than riches
b) In the US students are dropping out of school and treating it as if it has no value besides socialization. It is more a gathering place to compete. Who has more friends, money, freedom, who's the toughest, meanest, who has the most backup, who has the best grades and extra curricular activities to get into a better school. No one is there to learn anymore, no one chooses to learn anymore.
c) so what if she builds a nice school with a few extras that p[eople there don't need? Our school systems have lots of thing they don't need. Please tell me what a grade 1 student needs a brand new computer to research polarbears on when they can just pick up a book? Wih the price of all the computers we pump into our schools to solve the problem schools can employ more teachers and tutors, buy more text books, expand our schools and create real safe play/relaxing areas, or even hire security to keep our kids from attacking eachother and provide a safe place to learn.
d) we have private schools in poor areas or town where we think no one can afford them but you'll be amazed how many families will sacrifice every extra cent to send their kids and others recieve scholarships thus oppertunities they would other wise not have.
e) instead of having te rest of the world try to solve a problem, why not provide them with the education to better themselves and their culture from the inside using people that are themselves affected. "teach them to fish" in otherwards instead of asking the world to fish for them.
I could go on and on about the school system and attitudes towards hem in our culture, while we are a little different our schools systems run on the same concepts, and while our schools have improvements to make it's truely the people and attitudes that are fucked up.
Based on the links you've provided, it would appear that your opposition is largely political, having little to do with the author's body of work, and everything to do with what you perceive to be her moral (read: political) failings.Quote:
Originally Posted by Breukelen advocaat
LOL! So does my fiance, and he's always been the "blonde blue eyed" type.Quote:
Originally Posted by ReUp
I have to say, I'm very pleased with this thread. It's stimulating, civilized, and a far cry from the "dude, I smoked this bomb ass dro!" threads that seem to be the norm on some days. See, stoners do so have brains!
Theres definately informed debate going on here.
Earlier I said I hated Oprah. But I didn't say why. I guess I don't really hate her. I disagree with a lot of things she says and my mind just doesn't percieve her as a smart or nice person. I haven't even seen her show(and remembered what happened) but I have heard things about it. I think everything she does is for the fame+fourtune, which is something I can't respect.
yes, we keep them neatly packed away in the bottom drawer and bring them out for holidays, bar mitzvahs and emergency situations.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mrs. Greenjeans
I repsect how Oprah has risen from extreme poverty and made something financially of herself, but this brings the question:
Does charity have a false sense of altruism when you make a big deal about it, or does it not matter?
To a point, Oprah's accomplishments in promoting literature, particularly self-help and feminist literature, has shed a lot of light on issues. But being extravagant about certain things, mainly her Oscar specials and other nonsense like that, especially the spawning of Dr. Phil, has brought her down a bit in my eyes.
I'm neutral about her, mainly because she doesn't affect me. Her magazine and show has an audience of mostly corn-fed Midwestern 'empowered' family moms who search for a leader to justify treating themselves with a new hairdo, or reading the newest self-help book she promotes.
She's come a long way from where she was....a true role model. But a God? LOL........
I do have to give her much respect for keeping it real.....unlike most those in the Hollywood lights. I can't see her shaving her head anytime to soon.:thumbsup:
Have a good one!:jointsmile:
I think Oprah does a lot of amazing things and I really like her, but there are certain things I don't really agree with.
I don't like Dr.Phil. I think he is a sell-out.
I don't like how Oprah often cites pseudo-science, like having psychics on her show (science has disproven psychics...no one has been able to prove their psychic abilities thus far)
I also don't like how religious she is, strictly in the sense that she attributes certain things to God and appeals to 'him' a little too much for my liking- but seeing as how she has a mainly American audience (america has a huge religious population) it does make sense.
Im not on the Oprah bandwagon myself, and Im sure as hell not into The View and Rosie O' Donnel in any way....that goes for the Today show too. I can't stand that kind of crap. But if your into it then good for you. To each their own I suppose.
[quote=birdgirl73]
As far as radio and TV are concerned, I do watch an occasional Oprah nightime re-rerun when it's about societal matters. But I do think she's sold out in a big way recently, and I think Phil McGraw's show is becoming increasingly "Springerized,"
You should look into edgar cayce for some true insight into our psyche...
I love you -Cali
oops....hehe
Dr. Phil McGraw also happens to be extremely anti-pornography...he says it ruins adult relationships. Any respect I had for him, is now completely gone. A lack of communication ruins adult relationships, not pornography.
Wasn't Edgar Cayce that prophet guy who claimed great clairvoyant abilities? I'll pass on the supernatural, thanks. Too skeptical of all that to put my faith there. But I did read one of Edgar Cayce's books during high school before I was sophisticated enough to recogize lunacy.Quote:
Originally Posted by CaliJay
Phil's pretty conservative, isn't he? I didn't know that about his stance on pornography. I don't have a problem with it personally, but I'm guessing a longtime psychologist might have seen plenty of cases where, when combined with lack of communication, it could indeed create some problems in adult relationships. I mostly mean that from the standpoint of setting up the expectation that women and men should always look and behave like porn stars. They're so fake and perfect, and we all know few real people's bodies look like porn stars'. I think, too, the female and male sexual responses are so contrived in porn that they can have a tendency to set up false expectations. I would think a psychologist might be more likely to support erotica or maybe portrayals of real couples--something more real and emotionally relatable. I do believe, however, that people should do what turns them on. I've heard Sue Johansson on this subject, and I find her marvelously open-minded. She agrees that the false-expectation factor of porn is a potentially troubling aspect of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by dutch.lover
I like Oprah. I don't worship Oprah. But I like Oprah. In the same way one might like one's senator.
Oh... but I *do* worship Dr. Phil. Sort of. I think he's awesome.
I agree! Edgar Cayce is a great read.Quote:
Originally Posted by birdgirl73
i believe some women have a stigma towards oprah because of the belief drilled constantly in the minds of young women today that women cannot have strong opinions, or affluence, or be anything more than a pretty thing to look at.
they find offense in the fact that she doesn't stand by and let the world run over marginal people.
by calling her a bitch you only proove your fear of a strong intelligent female
Ok...so lately I have been watching oprah to form more of an opinion on this lady I dislike so much....and I have come to the conclusion....that she is just another type of puppet of the world...She raises issues that she see's fit and won;t except others views whatsoever....and her show has WAY too many commercial breaks. If I could actually meet her and talk to her maybe I would see other wise....but as far as I am concerned she is a mass-appeal puppet who talks about important issues at a shallow level.
FUCK THAT BITCH
I do respect and admire here but people do tend to take it overboard. She's human and she makes mistakes too. I don't always agree with things she does, (like using her celebrity for politics), but she's a very kind and generous person and truly seems to have so much love in her heart.