How was the "decarboxilated" high for you?Quote:
Originally Posted by Euphoric7
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How was the "decarboxilated" high for you?Quote:
Originally Posted by Euphoric7
hmmm/... I need to try this... especially when I make bhang...
I guess I didn't do it right, but it definitely WAS slightly more intense than usual. Not very relaxing, just intense... :PQuote:
Originally Posted by Coelho
^^^^ It is what usually happens... this process increases the THC, which causes the sativa-like (energetic mind high) effects... yet the indica-like effects (relaxing couchlock stone) are caused by the CBD, which is not altered by this process.
So, if your weed is a sativa, decarboxilating it will make it stronger. And if it is an indica, it will become more sativa-like.
Anyway, its always worth a try... you all may be surprised with the effects! :thumbsup::stoned::abduct:
I am trying this tonight with my new hookah. Approx .75 gram in the microwave... hmmm... 30 seconds sounds like enough.
I don't even think a microwave would do anything, because it heats the H2O particles on a things moisture just enough to boil it. That temp is 100Celcius, but you need beyond the boiling point. Correct me if I'm wrong, but you CAN'T get near the full effects of this method if you microwave it (no matter how long).
Well... i actualy dont know... cause the ideal conditions for the decarboxilation happen is heating at 105C for 5 minutes. As it is just a bit higher than waters boiling point (100C), im pretty sure that heating at "only" 100C would be enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by Euphoric7
Also, while IN THEORY the microwave cant reach temperatures higher than 100C, i found that in the practice things are a bit different... once i put some ground bud in the microwave, and it did catch fire! So surely it reached temperatures higher than 100C... since then i only microwave whole buds, and never ground ones anymore...
But the surest way to make sure is microwave a bit of weed, heat in the oven another bit of it, and compare the two, to see if there is some noticeable difference between the two methods.
Oh okay, I stand corrected :D. I still think the oven is a better method than the microwave though. Because the microwave tampers with certain molecules, while the oven just heats it. Just my thoughts.
all microwaves do is makes the molecules and such vibrate, which causes heat, and the wavelengths are designed for those of water so it heats more evenly and stays warmer longer, which is why everything comes out of the microwave steaming, hot water.
Water can only boil at 100C no higher so the water may only be as hot as 100C but the steam could be hotter, so its still a mystery at how hot a microwave can get.
Ok, so when it's decarboxylated the H2O and CO2 are released..... so,
if I break up the weed and seal it up inside a little pocket of foil to put into the oven... wouldn't that also trap the H2O and CO2 that needs to escape? Should I poke a couple tiny holes in it with a needle?
Also I've been going crazy thinking about another thing....
Weed that's fresh or that has just finished drying has mostly THCA, so then heating it up to decarboxylate it into THC will work. That's cool!
BUT, if you've let the weed naturally do the process through curing then wouldn't heating up the weed degrade/destroy the THC that you've waited so long for?
Light and heat are the two major enemies of THC... Maybe that's why so many people fail to make working oils and extracts??? Using naturally decarboxylated weed to start with, and ending up with a product that has destroyed most of the THC... makes sense to me, which is why I've always been afraid to use weed that I've purchased for cooking - I don't know it's age or how it's been cured.
If that's what is really happening, then is cured bud worthless for cooking? Or could I use it for making oil by heating it up just enough for extracting THC without harming it too much?...(below the decarb. temperature). argh, I'd so greatly appreciate some answers
Well... unless you wrap the weed so tightly that it be waterproof, always there are tiny spaces by where the gases can escape.Quote:
Originally Posted by GreenDestiny
Well... your thinking makes sense... in fact, if you have some perfectly decarboxilated (cured) weed, which hasnt any THCA left in it anymore, then surely heating it wouldnt increase its potency.Quote:
Originally Posted by GreenDestiny
Thats why its said that this process doesnt work so well with high-grade weed... usually high-grade weed is properly cured, so it is already as potent as it can be.
I dont know the exact numbers, but the degradation of the THC by the heat isnt very fast... like... the amount of THC destroyed by the heat during the the decarboxilaiton process (15 minutes) is almost negligible... only after hours of heating the loss of THC starts to become noticeable.
The decarboxilation temperature is 105C... i dont know how high is the temperature needed to start to destroy the THC... i only know it starts to vaporize at about 180C.
And when i cook with cannabis, i dont use the usual recipes for making cannabutter, or things like this. I extract the hash oil from the cannabis (with alcohol or acetone), then just mix the hash oil with the butter, heating only enough to melt the butter and ensure a homogeneous mixing. Doing so i avoid the trouble of heating the weed+butter for long hours, and also get a far purer butter.
Thanks for your response!
I can't wait until one day when I have enough to experiment with.
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Originally Posted by Coelho
hi, i just tried this and i put the last nug i had left from my quarter which was only about .4 - .5 of good weed but it looks like it was not cured or dried properly.. when u smoke this stuff it is hard to get the real thick cloudy smoke you can get from dry crispy weed i normally get, and put it on the toaster on high for only about 1 - and a half minutes tops and it seems to have worked really well :p
Got some very very indica-y shit recently. I don't love that couchlock feeling so I decided to try this and nuke it for a couple minutes. Now it's a great mix of mind and body...I highly suggest this if you're a sativa kind of person. Thanks, Coelho!
does anyone know if decarbing weed that ive had in jars curing for about 3-4 weeks will make any differance
or to put it differently how do i know when the thc on my dryed, curing bud is fully active does anyone know how long the curing should take to fully transform the thc, its been in airtight jars for 3 weeks at room temp in dark being opened every day last night i left the lids off by accident so the buds are pretty much completly dry, they did have a bit of moisture in them which was curing out, but not any more,
another thing is is that in theory decarbing before vaping seems to work well to, i figure its cos the vape temp is high enough to combust thc so decarb an combustion happens at the same time which isnt as efficent as your not getting all the thc converted before it burns
will doing th decarb also improve BHO i thought it would jus aint tried it yet
also is there a way to decarb the weed whilst drying/curing it or after drying but so it doesnt effect the taste but also doesnt take soo long without an oven
i thought maybe drying it out fully after harvest for about 7-10 days then adding a heater to heat the bud to around 50c not too hot for a couple days
anyone tried this to.
1st post, really enjoying this discussion.
Over the years I have acquired product that had potential but contained too much moisture to burn properly.
I have put it away and in some cases lost track of it for months at a time and when re-sampled it not only burned properly but was more potent than expected. This has been most apparent when I have left it in my metal shed where temperatures get quite warm. Question - Have I been allowing natural decarboxylization to occur?
This has improved not only quality from a smoking perspective but also for oral consumption. Earlier this summer I collected the scraps from several old bags that had been stored in my shed, cleaned out all stems and seeds and threw them into one collective bag. It smoked okay but had a staleness to the buzz.
On a whim I mixed some (1/2 - 1 tsp) with some Activia yogurt (the kind Jamie Lee Curtis pitches) and was feeling strong effects in 15-20 minutes and couch effects in an hour+. Add a small joint at about 1.5hrs and I could stay very buzzed for 3-4 more hrs and lingering effects for the rest of the day.
The yogurt has a good fat content and active bacteria, could this have helped with my ability to process raw herb so effectively?
Any thought on the matter would be appreciated.
ps-I am currently experimenting with solar decarboxylization, I have put some herb inside a folded piece of printer paper (so it forms a crude envelope) than placed the paper inside of a black metallic/foil used coffee bag and placed it on my brick patio which gets a full blast of afternoon sun and the temps have been in the 90's for few days. It did darken the herb, but I am going to put in out a few days in row to try and see how dry I can get it.
Well... i dont know if there is any way to know when your weed is already fully decarboxilated... anyway, you could decarboxilate it (with any of the methods described) and see if it does make any difference.Quote:
Originally Posted by oliwog
I agree... when you smoke/vape, much of the THCA is burnt/vaporized before being turned to THC, and thats why decarboxilating it before smoking/vaping gives good results.Quote:
Originally Posted by oliwog
Surely... as it increases the amount of THC, the BHO made with decarboxilated weed will be stronger than the BHO made with non-decarboxilated weed.Quote:
Originally Posted by oliwog
Probably... as you noticed that it become stronger indeed, and no other effect would account for the increase of the weeds potency.Quote:
Originally Posted by ky1956
Man... thats interesting! Sometimes is hard to people get high from raw weed... mixing it with things with a large fat content helps a lot, and maybe thats why it succeed... anyway, its a nice thing to make experiments with.Quote:
Originally Posted by ky1956
Maybe it could give you some ideas:Quote:
Originally Posted by oliwog
I think its a good idea too! Just remember that the light destroys the THC, so the weed must be very well wrapped with the foil... And if you suceed, tell us!Quote:
Originally Posted by ky1956
I have now experimented with two methods of solar decarboxylization. One involved putting the cannabis inside of a folded-up piece of printer paper, then placing it inside a foil coffee bag and letting it sit on my brick patio in the sun, this worked but I wondered what the neighbors would think (I have a lot of busy body old ladies for neighbors). The second method was to place several buds in a small metal box that originally contained Godiva (yum) chocolate pieces. The lid is quite tight and it is dark brown in color, so it absorbs heat well. I set the metal box on the dash of my car while I am at work, making sure to park in such a manner that it to get as much sun as possible. On a 90-degree day my car smells wonderful at the end of the day and the cannabis has changed color from a dark, commercial green color to a dark brown shade with a pleasant and distinctively non green bouquet. This herb smokes a little harsh but works well. About two grams are now soaking in one ounce of Amaretto. All in the name of science (and well maybe getting high)
trying this right now.. using perfect buds just picked from the plant 2 weeks ago, the weed tastes like shit but looks good and gives a decent high.. lets see what this does :) im excited
worked good never stunk my house out, and this shit smells strong.. anyways i got what ppl told me i will get and what i was expecting... a nice warm numb sativia and great taste.. something like my regular "bomb" types of weed.. and i would suggest about 20 minutes in the oven on 180 for best effects, anyways thanks for the suggestion and good luck on your attempts making decarbolinoxedided weed lol too stoned and tired to even find out spelling :)
I've done a little bit of research for this. Time to share to wealth!
So THCA is an acid due to a carboxyl (-COOH) group stuck on the molecule that is found naturally in cannabis. THCA actually has no psychological effects on the mind. THC is the active compound in pot that actually causes the psychological effects and is what you want in your body. So we want to be rid of the Carboxyl group by decarboxylating the molecule (taking off the -COOH). This turns THCA into THC (woot!) There is very little natural THC in weed unless it is a special strain which is why we don't just eat weed, we smoke it. When pot is burned, we are effectively reaching the temperature at which the carboxyl group leaves but its inefficient because it causes much THC to boil away around the flame.
Here are some interesting temperature stats:
Decarboxylation: 105 C (220 F)
Boiling of Cannabinoids: 127-200 C (260-392 F)
Boiling of THC: 200 C (392 F)
Flame on lighter: 1300-1977 F
So basically the temperature range you want is 220-260 F (I recommend 230 F for around 20 mins in the oven). This converts most THCA into THC which any way it gets into your body will have psychological effects. This decarboxylation is usually used for cooking because it activates the pot (instead of eating pot straight without activation). Eating is also much more efficient than smoking although it appears that many people have had increased yields when smoking as well. Happy smoking :pimp:
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Thank you for the info it was very useful.
I just experimented with this process myself and I was a little nervous.
I only had trim to work with so I extracted some hash using the dry sift method and planned to use the leftovers for a butane extraction.
After hearing about decarboxylation I wanted to try it so I cooked my trim for 5 minutes at 250 degrees in the oven. We ended up with about 5 grams of high quality oil:rastasmoke: and there definitely shouldnt have been that much considering I had already dry sifted it.
My conclusion is that this process is a necessity if you plan to make extracts or food.
Tried this trick out myself.
2 grams of really fresh stuff, buds broken into bits and wrapped in foil.
Placed on preheated tray for 20 mins at 115C, took out and grabbed as much stem and seed as i could while it was hot and steamy as it turned crispy in my hands, then opened up the thicker bits that were still warm and chucked it back in for 5 minutes face up on the foil to truly dry it out.
Took it out the instant it went from a pleasant, light 'steamy green' odour to a stronger, slightly smokish 'vape/cooking' smell, or whatever you want to call it. Rested just a minute till warm and ground immediately to preserve as much stickiness as i could.
Grinding the finished product gives heavy, sticky green powder ;) right on target. But it's easy to overpack as it ends up extremely compact. I turned a good three buds into something you could fit into a Coke lid. Should store fantastically, have to try this.
Tastes a little bunk but not bad enough to make me cough more than usual. Huge amounts of smoke, even with small amounts. A little sprinkled into a cigarette turned my wisp into a cloud, and my cone would have been visible from space.. You do have to trade discreetness for effect, I'd go as far as to call it night weed, especially with the strong eye effects. Drops didn't do much.
I liked the effect. Exquisitely strong straight after smoking.
Lasted longer than usual, felt like it unlocked a fair chunk of my 'stored' thc with it. Could feel it for days afterward..
Does seem to depress more than usual though. Have some funny shit to watch ready.
I have found something different.
Marijuana produces THCA, an acid with the carboxylic group (COOH) attached. In its acid form, THC is not very active. It is only when the carboxyl group is removed that THC becomes psychoactive. When marijuana is smoked, the THC behind the hot spot is vaporized as the hot air from the burn is drawn through the joint or pipe bowl to the unburned material. The liquid THC and other cannabinoids have a boiling point of between 180-200 C (355-392 F). before they turn gaseous, at around 106 C (220 F), the carboxyl group is released from the molecule as carbon dioxide and water vapor.
You will be extracting the THC using low heat in the commercially made Coldfinger Extractor. (you can find more from research). The THC will not reach a temperature in which decarboxylation takes place. However, if you plan to vaporize or smoke the extract decarboxylation will take place as the oil is used.
However, it is easy to make sure all the THC is decarboxylated and is at full strength before it is extracted. Although decarboxylation takes place rapidly at 106 C, it proceeds at a more gradual pace by placing the cannabis in a room with low relative humidity and room temperature. As the temperature rises, the rate of decarboxylation increases.
Cannabis can also be placed in a food dehydrator to remove the carboxyl group. Although the heat in the food dehydrator doesn't rise to 106 C, the temperature is warm enough to promote drying and the release of the water and CO2. When the marijuana is crispy and brittle you can be assured that the carboxyl group has been removed from the cannabinoids and they are ready for extraction or removal from the plant material.
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I'm trying something simple - wrapped few buds in foil n set it in blazing sun