Report: Gulf States Prepared to Back U.S. Military Strike on Iran

The only way United States could beat Iran would be with nuclear weapons.

Iraq: population - 28.8 million, area - 169,234 sq mi

Iran: population - 70 million, area - 636,372 sq mi

Iran has 2.5 more people and is almost 4 times larger in size.

Iran's military would last much longer than Iraq's, but obviously America's army would beat Iran's military. And then you have to deal with insurgency, which is obviously the hardest part. I can't believe they are even considering this, seeing as they can't even control Iraq.

Please George Bush don't start WWIII

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Originally Posted by Bong30

Think what you want.....

you are the one...welcome to my class...Blah blah

Just keep talking shit.....ill keep telling you to fuck off.

like yin and yang........


Lets start by debating how radical Islam treats women.

Are you raped if not witnessed by 4 other men?

Why must they wear full berkas?

what is a Twelver, and why did the Iatolla outlaw it?

Are you allowed to switch from Islam to christianity, In a Islamic state?


PIck any topic to debate, Or just stand around telling us how smart you are........



Bring it, assclown......

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Thanks for joining our discussion,

Why is it our responsibility to impose our beliefs upon them? There are significant injustices around the world that we choose to ignore all of the time. What you're having a hard time understanding is that we don't have a case for being over there. Iran is not a threat to us if we pull out. You're blinded by false issues that are only put forth as a reason beside OIL for us to be there. It's time to use those critical thinking skills we learned in school.

Recall that the Americans fought for their own liberty against a oppressive government.

Your friend,

Patrick Henry

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Originally Posted by Psycho4Bud

The reason why the U.S. supports Israel is pretty obvious if you take a look at middle east philosophys. OOPS, Sorry! The other arab countries really, really don't like Israel. O.K.?:

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Why do the interests of Israel concern us more than any other country? Just because they're despised within the region? It would appear to me that Israel is more than capable of protecting itself considering it's past war history. Our unwavering and biased support of Israel only adds to the animosity many in the region harvest toward us.

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Why do the interests of Israel concern us more than any other country?

Not more than any other country. Good example for that region would be Kuwait.

Just because they're despised within the region? It would appear to me that Israel is more than capable of protecting itself considering it's past war history. Our unwavering and biased support of Israel only adds to the animosity many in the region harvest toward us.

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There are times when you have to do the unpopular thing for the greater good. France, Poland, etc.....should have been able to take care of their own shit during WW2 but guess who had to save the day. Ain't allies a bitch?

Have a good one!:jointsmile:

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There are times when you have to do the unpopular thing for the greater good. France, Poland, etc.....should have been able to take care of their own shit during WW2 but guess who had to save the day. Ain't allies a bitch?

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What is the greater good you're trying to achieve? Peace? Peace will come when we stop getting ourselves involved in the middle east.

Meanwhile, we didn't protect Poland, and in fact, in the span of the country's past they just recently broke away from the grip of communism with the help of the past Pope. Even the Poles are now protesting our war in Iraq. Do you consider Stalin the savior for Poland? Also, look up how large the actual resistance was in France during WWII. We didn't protect them until we were bombed ourselves, get off your high horse.

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Originally Posted by PatrickHenry

What is the greater good you're trying to achieve? Peace? Peace will come when we stop getting ourselves involved in the middle east.

If I recall there were some daisy pushers stating the same thing during WW2 concerning Europe.:rolleyes:

Meanwhile, we didn't protect Poland, and in fact, in the span of the country's past they just recently broke away from the grip of communism with the help of the past Pope.

LOL.....Can't even give R. Reagan his due.

Even the Poles are now protesting our war in Iraq. Do you consider Stalin the savior for Poland? Also, look up how large the actual resistance was in France during WWII.

LMAO! The French handed over Jews to the Nazis! If it weren't for the U.S., Europe would be a united Germany.

We didn't protect them until we were bombed ourselves, get off your high horse.

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It's true that we had to be bombed first.......should be a clue to the present. Half the country didn't want shit to do with Europe until Pearl Harbor. 9-11 SHOULD have been enough of a bitch slap but I guess since it wasn't some peoples home town.....what the hell.

High horse?? Better than riding on a Jackass.

Have a good one!:jointsmile:

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It's true that we had to be bombed first.......should be a clue to the present. Half the country didn't want shit to do with Europe until Pearl Harbor. 9-11 SHOULD have been enough of a bitch slap but I guess since it wasn't some peoples home town.....what the hell.

High horse?? Better than riding on a Jackass.

Have a good one!:jointsmile:

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So you're wrong: We didn't protect the Poles or the French. We merely helped them when our self-interests were at risk. Just as we're "helping" Iraq because we haven an interest in their oil, and the oil of the region.

Stop believe all of the bullshit the right-wing is feeding you about protecting our freedom from the freedom haters.

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Originally Posted by PatrickHenry

So you're wrong: We didn't protect the Poles or the French. We merely helped them when our self-interests were at risk.

LOL...where did I state that we protected the Poles or the French? I said that they should have been able to take care of their own buisiness but it was eventually the big bad U.S. to the rescue again. We probably SHOULD have gotten involved at an earlier date BUT due to the tree huggers of the time that was pretty much ruled out. Since it wasn't on our shores at the time they had the "who gives a fuck" attitude. Kind of like today.

Just as we're "helping" Iraq because we haven an interest in their oil, and the oil of the region.

O.K., oil is the ONLY reason why we're there.:rolleyes:

Stop believe all of the bullshit the right-wing is feeding you about protecting our freedom from the freedom haters.

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LOL.......look up 9-11 once. Didn't teach that in your college either? I would seriously be looking for a rebate dude!

Have a good one!:jointsmile:

P.S./ If you get a rebate I think it would only be fair if you were to foreward the check to me.......since I am your new mentor. Don't worry young Jedi, you'll catch up.:D

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Originally Posted by Psycho4Bud

LOL...where did I state that we protected the Poles or the French?

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France, Poland, etc.....should have been able to take care of their own shit during WW2 but guess who had to save the day.

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We really saved the Poles by turning them over to communist Stalin huh? Wake up and realize America only does what is in its own interest. You're essentially calling me a lefty tree hugger because I oppose something that is not in the United State's interests.

I am a registered libertarian, not a liberal. You don't bother me, I won't bother you. A significant proportion of people in the middle east are unhappy with our occupation and consider it a bother. I want to oblige them and leave.

I'm sorry but I might have to fail you and put you a year behind. You're at 5th grade level politics. Keep going if you want the lesson to continue.

How isn't the military conflict in Iraq in US's interests?

Pulling out now, and many of those reconstruction contracts go to foreign companies. Why lose future opportunity to pump the economy?

All the funding wasted on the Iraqi war to begin with, might as well have the conflict benefit the economy in the long-term.

The middle east is an area where the US should have little involvement, focusing only on limited trade, and foreign exchanges. It's too late for that philosophy, the damage has already been done by Bush, and it's America's responsibility to clean it up.

I don't agree with Bush's plan to increase troops, but I don't agree with pulling out either. Middle ground has to be sought, train the Iraqi Army and police so they can be self-sufficient and pull out.

Idealistically, it would be great to pull out. Realistically, it could turn not only Iraq, but the whole middle east into a bigger bloodbath. America has to bathe in the shit they touched.

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How isn't the military conflict in Iraq in US's interests?
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The debt and loss of American lives is not worth the oil! Whatever happened to the WMD's? Where are they? That was our rational for going, but we were lied to!

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The debt and loss of American lives is not worth the oil! Whatever happened to the WMD's? Where are they? That was our rational for going, but we were lied to!

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True, we never should have gone in the first place. But I do agree with thcbongman that we can't just pull out now. We fucked it up, now we need to fix it. The problem is I don't think the Bush admisnistration has any idea what that means and certainly not how to accomplish it. Like Vietnam, they feel that if kill enough of the enemy the problem is solved, and, also like Vietnam, that just isn't the case. At least in Vietnam we had a better understanding of what "win" meant to the enemy. Does anybody even know what the insurgents want? And please, don't give me the " to convert by the sword" bullshit.

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Originally Posted by PatrickHenry

The debt and loss of American lives is not worth the oil! Whatever happened to the WMD's? Where are they? That was our rational for going, but we were lied to!

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Try Syria.......there's only 2 sources about this info and as usual I'll go against independent thought and supply the links.:rolleyes:

Saddams General confirmed the move:
Iraq's WMD Secreted in Syria, Sada Says - January 26, 2006 - The New York Sun

A Syrian journalist.......I'm sure he's not the caliber of Prisonplanet but will have to do:
Iraq's Weapons of Mass Destruction, WMD in Syria

Have a good one!:jointsmile:

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Originally Posted by Fengzi

True, we never should have gone in the first place. But I do agree with thcbongman that we can't just pull out now. We fucked it up, now we need to fix it.

A voice of reason rises from the dust........THANK YOU!:D

The problem is I don't think the Bush admisnistration has any idea what that means and certainly not how to accomplish it. Like Vietnam, they feel that if kill enough of the enemy the problem is solved, and, also like Vietnam, that just isn't the case. At least in Vietnam we had a better understanding of what "win" meant to the enemy. Does anybody even know what the insurgents want? And please, don't give me the " to convert by the sword" bullshit.

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Sadrs group wants a government set up like Iran.
The Bathists want the good ol' days of Sunni's first fuck the Kurds and Shiites.
Al-Quada just wants a place to call home.

Have a good one!:jointsmile:

Soldiers made the decision to join the military, and it's their duty to serve, no matter how bad the quagmire. In a perfect world, we would have no military conflict, and everyone would share resources. Now back to reality. Every country is vying for resources. Since you come across as the college-educated, every war you studied involved the posturing for strategic resources. Every war had a propagated reason to go in, ideology is used to garner support. Rarely is it the legitmate reason for conflict. It's to protect interests, which is land, resources, and capital. Is it wrong to use conflict to allocate resources for it's citizens? Morally, yes. If you look it from a macro-view, our economy is partly based on posturizing, and exploitating resources. The land you live in is prosperous thanks partly to the government protecting our interests.

As far as everyone is concerned, WMDs are unaccounted for. At one time Saddam's regime possessed them. What happened since then, whether the regime or another entity disposed of them, sold them on the black market, hidden in the ground is inconclusive. It's not an outright lie. We'll never know because Bush couldn't wait for inspections to finish.

America was sold on the concept that Iraq was an imminent threat because of the potential threat of WMDs. They used a lot of hyperbole in terms of their evidence, but was it all a lie? No.

The American public was still rattled by 9/11 and believed all the propaganda passed around. At the time, I didn't think it was worth it to even go into Afghanstan, let alone Iraq. Bush's steered the ship in a new direction, and would be irresponsible to not clean up the mess he created.

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As far as everyone is concerned, WMDs are unaccounted for. At one time Saddam's regime possessed them. What happened since then, whether the regime or another entity disposed of them, sold them on the black market, hidden in the ground is inconclusive. It's not an outright lie. We'll never know because Bush couldn't wait for inspections to finish.

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How could the inspections finish when Saddam didn't allow inspectors into different areas.....isn't this how the 17 U.N. resolutions were broken leading to the war?

LOL....how many countries bury it's nuclear plans under a rose bush?
CNN.com - Nuke program parts unearthed in Baghdad back yard - Jun. 26, 2003

Have a good one!:jointsmile:

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Originally Posted by thcbongman

Soldiers made the decision to join the military, and it's their duty to serve, no matter how bad the quagmire. In a perfect world, we would have no military conflict, and everyone would share resources. Now back to reality. Every country is vying for resources. Since you come across as the college-educated, every war you studied involved the posturing for strategic resources. Every war had a propagated reason to go in, ideology is used to garner support. Rarely is it the legitmate reason for conflict. It's to protect interests, which is land, resources, and capital. Is it wrong to use conflict to allocate resources for it's citizens? Morally, yes. If you look it from a macro-view, our economy is partly based on posturizing, and exploitating resources. The land you live in is prosperous thanks partly to the government protecting our interests.

As far as everyone is concerned, WMDs are unaccounted for. At one time Saddam's regime possessed them. What happened since then, whether the regime or another entity disposed of them, sold them on the black market, hidden in the ground is inconclusive. It's not an outright lie. We'll never know because Bush couldn't wait for inspections to finish.

America was sold on the concept that Iraq was an imminent threat because of the potential threat of WMDs. They used a lot of hyperbole in terms of their evidence, but was it all a lie? No.

The American public was still rattled by 9/11 and believed all the propaganda passed around. At the time, I didn't think it was worth it to even go into Afghanstan, let alone Iraq. Bush's steered the ship in a new direction, and would be irresponsible to not clean up the mess he created.

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Thank you for eloquently stating your opinion. I agree with you on multiple fronts. I don't propose the immediate pull-out as a solution, but a scaled back pull-out over the course of a few years. To escalate this any further is ridiculous, and as you mentioned, immoral.

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Originally Posted by Psycho4Bud

Try Syria.......there's only 2 sources about this info and as usual I'll go against independent thought and supply the links.:rolleyes:

Saddams General confirmed the move:
Iraq's WMD Secreted in Syria, Sada Says - January 26, 2006 - The New York Sun

A Syrian journalist.......I'm sure he's not the caliber of Prisonplanet but will have to do:
Iraq's Weapons of Mass Destruction, WMD in Syria

Have a good one!:jointsmile:

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From your own article:

' And President Bush himself has conceded much of the point; in a televised prime-time address to Americans last month, he said, "It is true that many nations believed that Saddam had weapons of mass destruction. But much of the intelligence turned out to be wrong."'

If what you say is true it would be touted by the Bush administration non-stop.

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True, we never should have gone in the first place. But I do agree with thcbongman that we can't just pull out now. We fucked it up, now we need to fix it. The problem is I don't think the Bush admisnistration has any idea what that means and certainly not how to accomplish it. Like Vietnam, they feel that if kill enough of the enemy the problem is solved, and, also like Vietnam, that just isn't the case. At least in Vietnam we had a better understanding of what "win" meant to the enemy. Does anybody even know what the insurgents want? And please, don't give me the " to convert by the sword" bullshit.

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I agree with you. I have a funny feeling about Viet Nam because I've visited the country in the past year and have witnessed personally the great strides made there. We were so afraid of losing Viet Nam to communism but it's slowly changing into a capitalist/democratic country as state run functions are privatized. As cliche as it is, future battles are for "hearts and minds."

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I agree with you. I have a funny feeling about Viet Nam because I've visited the country in the past year and have witnessed personally the great strides made there. We were so afraid of losing Viet Nam to communism but it's slowly changing into a capitalist/democratic country as state run functions are privatized. As cliche as it is, future battles are for "hearts and minds."

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This is so true. The thing about Vietnam, and what pretty much guaranteed our defeat, is that a huge portion of "the enemy" wasn't fighting for communism, they were simply fighting against yet another foreign power trying to screw with them.

I can't help but wonder how much of the same thing is happening in Iraq. What does Bush expect? That the "enemy", whoever that is, will simply wave a white flag and give up? No likely. The longer we keep fucking the place up, the longer they'll keep fighting and the more people will go over to their side.

What we need now is not more troops but more dialogue. P4B says that "Sadrs group wants a government set up like Iran. The Bathists want the good ol' days of Sunni's first fuck the Kurds and Shiites. Al-Quada just wants a place to call home." Well, maybe so, but is that what it will take to have peace and stabilize the country? Has anyone in our government extended an olive branch and said "hey guys, what's it gonna take?" . No, our fucking cowboy of a leader is to obsessed with killing the bad guys? Bush doesn't have a clue and is just grasping at straws as the situation increasingly slips through his fingers. It's no wonder that the democrats, and an increasinly large amount of his own party, don't have any confidence in his "plan".

LMAO! Lets extend an olive branch to GS-13, the Bloods, and the Crypts. I'm SURE that they just want to be productive members of society.:rolleyes:

Have a good one!:jointsmile:

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If what you say is true it would be touted by the Bush administration non-stop.

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And what good would it do to state this? I've seen that nuclear scientist and the general on TV in the past but hey, when they spoke a car bomb wasn't going off so thats not considered big news.

Oh hell no! This is just a ploy to invade Syria now! LOL.....I could imagine the stink that something like this would cause.

Have a good one!:jointsmile:

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Originally Posted by Psycho4Bud

LMAO! Lets extend an olive branch to GS-13, the Bloods, and the Crypts. I'm SURE that they just want to be productive members of society.:rolleyes:

Have a good one!:jointsmile:

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And it's attitudes like this that will ensure that many more young American's will die before someone comes to their senses. Now go and git dem badguys cowboy!!

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And it's attitudes like this that will ensure that many more young American's will die before someone comes to their senses. Now go and git dem badguys cowboy!!

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YEEEEEHAAAAWWWWWWWWWW........roundin' up the POSSE pilgrum!

Have a good one!:jointsmile:

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And what good would it do to state this? I've seen that nuclear scientist and the general on TV in the past but hey, when they spoke a car bomb wasn't going off so thats not considered big news.

Oh hell no! This is just a ploy to invade Syria now! LOL.....I could imagine the stink that something like this would cause.

Have a good one!:jointsmile:

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So now you believe in conspiracy theories... hmm.

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YEEEEEHAAAAWWWWWWWWWW........roundin' up the POSSE pilgrum!

Have a good one!:jointsmile:

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That ain't a posse Psycho, that's a bunch of guys who just want to come home. Sorry, but I'm afraid it's gonna get harder and hader to find anyone who willingly wants to saddle up with ya. But..hey...whats this? I think I just might have found someone

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That ain't a posse Psycho, that's a bunch of guys who just want to come home. Sorry, but I'm afraid it's gonna get harder and hader to find anyone who willingly wants to saddle up with ya. But..hey...whats this? I think I just might have found someone

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LMAO! Nice pic! Like the Emerson, Lake and Palmer too.:D

I really think at this point if them troops were told that we were pulling out there would be some pissed off soldiers. Going this far then running.....just against their nature.

Have a good one!:jointsmile:

I really think at this point if them troops were told that we were pulling out there would be some pissed off soldiers. Going this far then running.....just against their nature Noooooooooo, my friend, having been a soldier in harms way, I can definently say that outside of the psyco killers, (there are always a few), to a man every one of those soldiers wants to get the fuck out of harms way. Are you nutz, want to stay in a killing zone, not likely. Maybe your ilk (you must be one of the psycho killers I mentioned). I'll repeat this so maybe you can get it this time. If you are so gung ho about killing "terrorists", suit up. They are looking for a few good men! You don't have to join the military as they are using mercinaries, just go down and sign up. The pay is excellent and you get to kill bad guys, what more could you ask for. You could replace one of those unfortunate young men destined to die for Bushs' lies. YeeeHaaaw, go get some!