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I completely agreed with you. Except on one point, you didn't defend your
argument! ("why god doesn't exist") Religions most likely are wrong by any
logical standard, but that is all you said. I say it is more likely there is a god
there there is not, but not by any definition anyone could imagine. Religion,
specifically, is the least likely to explain who the real god is. Though you made
some good points, otherwise irrelevant :P
dude God exists...thats why we exist
Hey SmokeyPoopers! I'm glad your genius intellect was allowed to grace us
and contribute to this conversation! You have changed my life, I will
now sin today and repent tommorow! As they say... Love
Oh and if you can't see the sarcasm on my earlier post, I do not agree with
what you said...
You blatantly claim all christians and god believers are ignorant, and your
belief is beat-all truth. You kind of beat your own logic when you say those
people aren't allowed to make those kinds of judgements based on ignorant
rationale, but you do the same, with no backing.
SOME OF YOU PEOPLE FUCKING PISS ME OFF!
LOOK I'M YELLING AND I'M OVER A 1000 YEARS OLD, I MUST BE TRUE!
I SAY I'M TRUE SO I AM! I MADE YOU BITCH!
Some of you people fucking piss me off!
Yes, that's my perception and I think most of you people are stupid.
Want to fight about it? Go fuck yourself. KTHXBAI
I'd like to prove that there are some absolute truths, but that is pretty
much impossible with everyones perceptions. Especially since my belief
that is is figuratively possible to prove that there is absolute truths.
Such as; in our universe, 2 + 2 = 4. This god or creation whatever guy says
over here, Jesus had 2 fishes and a couple pieces of bread, and he fed
hundreds of people with it (in other words, math may not apply).
BLAH BLAH BLAH shutup no one cares about mine or your believes, unless
we believe in the same thing then we relish in each other's sexiness. I will
embrace death, and not exisiting is not scary to me :D If that is very well
what is to happen or not? Hmph.. Life is a mystery.
you first must define GOD before you can say weather god exists.. and by defining god.. one can only call it the UNKNOWN...
and therefore god does exist...
But let us take this one step further...
is there something that can NOT be KNOWN because one does not have the awareness CULTIVATED to be aware that ONE does not KNOW...
or more simply put.. there are things that YOU don't know that YOU don't know
Cultivate Awareness by meditation.. a non- reactive STATE...
watch your mind..
iloveyou
when one becomes still and stills the mind and becomes aware of THE world with ALL of ones being.. then GOD will enter the world through YOU...
iloveyou
this is the greatest gift you can give the world
How do you know that?Quote:
Originally Posted by Garden Knowm
or, is it just like, a really strong hunch?
Alwaysblazed,
That's part of the reason why I don't think people should lie to their children, even if they think it's "cute" (the whole Santa business) - the kids might just start suspecting everything you tell them is a lie, which isn't good (and likely isn't true.)Quote:
Ok. I grew up being told about santa claus, the tooth fairy, the easter bunny, the boogeyman, the sandman, the ever infamous stranger, and of course god. When I slowly came to realization that these were not true around the age of 9 I still believed in god longer, but by 12 I just refused to believe that "god" exists.
Ummm, who needs to be a "creationist" to accept the existence of God?Quote:
. After all the research we have collected and proven against creationism and how there is NO evidence to prove creationism. People want to remain ignorant and claim it's "faith" and that works for some people, but people who claim they are doing acts of violence because of "god" and people thanking "god" sincerely (even I say "thank god" but I use it as an expression).
It's been my experience that when people say "I don't believe in God", if I were to ask them just what they think "God is", I'd be moved to say "I don't believe in that 'God' either."
Anh, that's true of anything human beings are involved in, not just religion. That's the real burn though - for whatever reason people get very unforgiving when it involves religion. By that way of thinking, I should be against cannabis decriminalization (which of course I'm not) because of dishonest smokers and other assorted shady characters who share my fondness for smoke (but who otherwise I wouldn't trust any further than I could throw them.)Quote:
I am not going to just say there is no evidence, but not only is there no evidence but throughout the past the christian church has proven themselves to be corrupt and selfish.
I think what one means by "God" has to be defined first, before one can speak of "evidence" (or a lack of it.)Quote:
There has never been any evidence that god was real except from individuals saying so.
Yes, how could they? :)Quote:
How can you blindly worship somebody who doesn't exist?
That sounds like a very superficial understanding of what God "is" though. I'm not saying you're a foolish or superficial person, but I do think part of the difficulty you're having understanding religious belief is that you're essentially reducing it to "explaining what physics cannot explain" - as if God were some kind of tinkerer, Who micromanages things in the way a human being would.Quote:
There does not need to be a higher being for life to exist, it's a complex series of chemical reactions over trillions and quadrillions of years.
I'm sure a lot of them are. But I don't see how that's a failing unique to religious people. Once again, it seems you're unintentionally holding "religious people" to a different set of standards than "other folks."Quote:
I'm sorry but I just see people who believe in "god" as ignorant people who are afraid of change.
I don't think you're considering the matter deeply enough. If your subject (what you're deeming "God") is basically just a glorified human being (qualitatively the same, just "more powerful"), then of course you're going to remain skeptical, and rightly so.Quote:
If you need somewhere to turn to for hope and faith turn to your family, prey to yourself, not to a false god. Sorry if this came off somewhat hostile but I really don't see any point why people should continue to believe in god anymore. Back in the time of the birth of judaism word spread slow. People believed in god because that was the only plausable theory as to why we were there.
The problem of course is as to why anyone should believe there is such a thing as coincidence to begin with, at least in so far as it implies something blind and random. This universe, as best as we can tell, is a closed system which operates according to some interesting rules - I don't see anything blind or random about that in the least.Quote:
Every coincidence is not a miracle.
mrdevious,
While it's true you can't prove a negative, this is a very poor argument. Anyone can assert anything and say "disprove it"...it's neither fair nor particularly persuasive. After all I can say "hobgoblins exist, I say so - and you can't disprove this." Well, I guess that's true, but that still gives me no positive reason to believe "hobgoblins exist" either.Quote:
Why? They've replied countless times to this same accusation (no god), just look in another thread. All you'll get are incoherent arguments based on fallable logic such as "well how did the universe get so organized? that proves god exists!", or the old classic "you can't disprove he exists, therefor the stance for his existence is just as valid as the stance against his existence".
While the intricacies of the universe do point in the right direction, it all goes a little deeper than many (including many religious folks) usually understand. The very fact that we live in an intelligable universe, not necessarily it's details, is what really begs the question.
I still insist too many people have something very tacky and silly in mind when they speak of their reasons for "not believing in God." And given what they're very often calling "God", I'd have to say I don't believe in that either.
True, but only in so far as everything subjective to our perspective only exists as a phantasm "in the mind." On a rational level at least, we have no direct encounter with the world around us - it's all a bunch of data which gets picked up by our five senses, and then gets filtered and recombined in "the mind's eye." Indeed, it would also seem to be the case that there is alot that goes on around us which for various reasons we are totally oblivious to - there are types of sound, spectrums of light (and I am willing to bet far more than this) which simply is "off the radar" - not because it's not "there", but simply because we don't have the physical ability to perceive it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stoner Shadow Wolf
So, even if I were to meet any of the lovely posters here "in person", the truth of the matter is my entire experience of them could be cynically dismissed as a "head trip", and it'd be pretty damned hard to actually prove otherwise.
Ultimately, we can only go with the proponderance of evidence and hold onto that which is internally coherent. It's from that perspective, at least on an intellectual level, that I find atheism not only a disastisfying answer, but an utterly impossible one - atheism to my way of thinking would be a negation of existence, period (which the experience of me sitting here writing this posting would seem to indicate is an incorrect perspective.) :)
Umm, prove I exist. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by MastaChronic
Of course, you'd be reasonable if you said...
- there are some postings authored by this "sharer" person.
- the way one posts is by having an account
- I have an account, and as far as I know I'm real
- it would seem the same is true for this "other person" too.
That would be a pretty reasonable inference. Of course, that could be all wrong - common sense, and what appears obvious could be all wrong.
But would that be a reasonable position? Were one a betting man, would that be a good bet to take?
It's much the same thing with "God." Yes, I could be cynical and feign some kind of agnosticism - but who is actually prepared to be consistently agnostic? Why does the subject of God and religion somehow get "special treatment" - why do people only have these kind of existential crises when it pertains to God? Why don't they wake up denying anything that either reason or the senses can tell them?
It seems like people are all too willing to live like mad-men only when it comes to religion. With everything else that effects their lives, they'll generally be more reasonable.
It doesn't make any difference what you believe. You'll find out soon enough when you're dead and buried, one way or another. I have no idea how old you are, but those are the type of limp philosophical views that are generally held by young and very unenlightened people. Somewhere in the course of your journey you will call on some "higher power" to save your sorry ass. That day obviously hasn't come yet. But it will, if you live long enough. :cool:
I am 38 I call apon a higher power to save my sorry ass evry day.Quote:
Originally Posted by gornik
This is what i say.
Oh blessed Mary jane come into my body and fill my soul full of rightousness, enlighten me with your goodness, and fill my lungs full of your rich mothers milk so that I may make it throough another day that mankind has beset apon me,
AMEN
ahahahah nice POLY.. very nice..Quote:
Originally Posted by Polymirize
iloveyou
When ONE surrenders, one can become aware of the UNKNOWN...
But please don't let me represent "surrendering" as actually DOING something...
cause their is nothing one can do to become Aware... it is actually the opposite...
DOING NOTHING....
can ONE do NOTHING...
YES..
iloveyou
surrender - is a deep YES to WHAT IS... an acceptance of IS....
I am pointing .. at it... IT is up to ONE to become aware of it...
NICE... very NICE.. iloveyou....Quote:
Originally Posted by gornik
And as far as believing.. IT does not matter because .. all beliefs are fleeting.. they come and go.. as do all mind based thoughts...
BUT awareness.. awareness is something else... and awareness does MATTER...
iloveyou