iv never had a threesome before :( but good for you man
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iv never had a threesome before :( but good for you man
Wow im pretty surprised how circular this conversation is. Obviously, no one is understanding what the hell birdgirl is trying to say. She is NOT saying there is something wrong with "girls who like the dick". She is not saying there is something wrong with girls enjoying sex. She is trying to get the point through your THICK SKULLS, that when guys use (ie take advantage of) girls it's wrong, and when guys have sex with drunken girls, that is not consensual, no matter what (check the laws, i am right).Quote:
Originally Posted by smokin dope
Try READING what she has to say, and then you will all stop rebutting her, for something she isn't even arguing.
Ha, with sense and standars. I'm not one to brag but I dont really have a problem when it comes to getting girls. And i dont mess around with low standard,depressed, girls as you say.Quote:
Originally Posted by birdgirl73
I'll smoke to that.Quote:
Originally Posted by smokin dope
Actually, judging from the attitudes you've already displayed above, I think we can be fairly well assured that you probably do mess around with girls who don't exactly value themselves or maintain high standards about guys who do. You may not know that yet. Heck, you may not ever realize that. But I'd bet good money that that's one of the things that your ladies all have in common.Quote:
Originally Posted by big smoke07
Wow, you idiots are missing the whole fucking point that birdgirl was trying to make. No one is talking about wild SOBER girls. If you have sex with a girl that's drunk, that is actually rape. That's nothing to brag about. Bragging about sex at all is completely trashy and immature, but you, homeboy, take the cake! You keep talking about girls that "want the dick" - um, they're drunk, chances are they don't know what they want. Why can't you make it with a girl who's in her right mind and sober? Oh wait, I can figure that out by just reading your posts..:rolleyes: A girl who's willing to fuck around with someone like you obviously has something wrong with her.
and this is what I got to say.
I have been following this thread since it started.
Your 21, have a good time
Have as much sex as possible, ALWAYS protect yourself against STD's and a pregnancy. You don't want that shit! It will fuck your life up. Remember that some girls want to get pregnant to lock your ass in.
If you got 2 chicks on you at one time and they are not drunk, you are the playa fo sho.
ALWAYS make sure what you do is not criminal and you should be straight.
Yall fucked this thread up. :cool:
while i agree that people who use others are wrong, listen to this scenario. two people ,a guy and a girl, are at a party, getting drunk, having a good time. they hook up and mutually consent to have sex. next morning the girl wakes up and decides that it wasnt such a good idea and decides to press charges. she claims "i was drunk i couldnt make decisions" and he gets sent off for sexual assault and has a spot on his record forever. how is this fair? this kind of thing happens all the time. why are men held accountable for their actions and women can just say "i was drunk" and get out of the equation. any laws that support this double standard are biased and wrongQuote:
Originally Posted by dutch.lover
and bg, a lot of people look back on things they did when drunk and wish they didnt do them, but they shouldnt be able to file charges for it.
and there is a difference between raping a passed out girl and engaging in consentual sex with a wiling partner. you dont automatically pass out when you drink a little and lose all decision making ability.
I hear what you're saying, Darkside, and I see how that situation is unfair to the guy for sure. Obviously, if they were mutually consenting at the time, you'd think it was OK. And like I said earlier, she's responsible for putting herself in those circumstances and getting into that situation. The cases that have gone to the courts that we've actually seen at the center where I've volunteered for a long time, however, are cases where she's literally too drunk (and usually under the influence of other stuff, too) to consent to sex and too drunk to fight him/them off sufficiently and then ends up getting raped that way. They were cases where mutual consent or moderate drunkenness really didn't enter into it. Those, at least according to the lawyers who work with those women, are more commonly the ones they can successfully prosecute. We've also had three cases where the girls have been at parties or clubs and had date-rape sedative/amnesia-inducing drugs put into their drinks, which then rendered them incapable of making a coherent decision or protecting themselves in any way. The guys in those cases (one was a train-running case where a group of guys took advantage of her while she was incapacitated) got prison terms.
The point we're trying to make is that guys need to be very careful about who they're trying to have sex with when alcohol is involved because you don't really ever know what's going to happen the next day when everyone sobers up. The consequences are very serious to your futures. For me, this isn't simply an issue upon which I have a woman's bias, either. I'm the mother of a 20-year-old son who, along with his friends, is in the phase of life where he's constantly pursuing as much sex as he can find. He goes to Duke University, site of the famous lacrosse-team rape case that's now in the process of falling apart but which has basically ruined three young men's lives. The point is that young men and women alike need to be very careful out there, especially when alcohol comes into play.
Whether you realize it or not you guys are getting into how various rights movements have gone far beyond their original intent and the scales are slowly tipping the other way instead of balancing harmoniously. That is an area I'll gladly avoid. :)
You went a little for assuming girls were shitfaced and what not, but I agree with your first thought here. If a girl is drunk it can often be as easy as "I have a dick. Want to go over there?" ... I wouldn't call it rape but that's just a semantic issue and we obviously have different ideas on what that word means.Quote:
Originally Posted by blackbarbie
Smokin' dope: You are young like me and we should be having fun. Sounds like you're having more than I so cool. :thumbsup: Unless you're taking advantage of drunk girls then you shouldn't worry about what these people are saying. It sounds like the chicks your er, tagging, are into it so no worries.
Anyone who is taking advantage of drunk girls: You're a piece of shit and you deserve to be gang raped by elephants. Just because they are drunk doesn't mean it's open season. Pricks.
And before my words are twisted into something I didn't mean, let me clarify that I am not saying any sexual contact with a drunk girl is taking advantage. You know if you're taking advantage or not.
It goes both ways too people. We've all slain a few dragons. Skeletons in the closet and all that right. Drunk guys are taken advantage of as well but they get no sympathy. Oh fuck I started going into a topic I said I would stay away from...
Sorry for the uncaffeinated rambling first thing in the morning. I hope a coherent thought or two slipped in there by mistake. :jointsmile:
badgirl: I agree with most of what you all think and have said, but it seems like SD might deserve a little more benefit of the doubt than he's been given.
Thanks for your comments, Canuck G. I do freely admit that part of what motivated me to start in here on Smoking D was some previous posts he'd written about participating in running trains on girls. That concerned me a great deal more than the concept of a threesome. I'll try and give him the benefit of the doubt, but I still don't think he or Big Smoke gets the message about not using girls. I don't think they have any concept of how not to do that, judging from their responses.
My question is why the hell would anyone want to run a train in the first place. The threesome is all good, (And fun) :thumbsup: but that train running is kinda nasty imo! I'd rather call good old rosey palm than to make it with a girl after she's already gone a few rounds w a bunch of men, ya know?
Of course, I'm the selfish type, and don't like sharing. ;)
Eh, if thats what you've made up your mind to believe then it would be pointless for me to try to persuade you. I know what type of girls i mess around with and thats all that matters to me really. It sounds nice to think that us "dirty" "digusting" guys only hook-up with girls who are depressed and have low self esteem. But at the end of the day its not true. Girls like sex just as much as guys but ususally the guy is looked down upon after everything goes down. Its the way society is and its not going to change. Peace.Quote:
Originally Posted by birdgirl73
This is how I know you don't get it. Nowhere did anyone say anything about your being either dirty or digusting--or about girls not liking sex. What we're taking issue with is the concept of using a girl for what you can get over on her for. And that's where the low self-esteem comes in for the girls. Ladies who allow that to happen don't generally feel good about themselves.
Perhaps you don't actually do that. Maybe you have actual ongoing relationships with your ladies and know them as people and friends instead of just using them for sex. If that's the case, great. I'm glad for both you and them. But if your understanding of them is as limited as your understanding of what's been said in this thread is, then I don't have much hope for you--or for their respect for themselves. Peace to you, too.
Fair enough. I haven't read their other posts since I'm new, so yeah I am commenting with less context to go on than others here such as yourself.Quote:
Originally Posted by birdgirl73
Running trains is definitely a whole different story and I think your points on her being messed up even if she's a sober, willing participant are right on 90% of the time. But even in that situation it's still their choice to make, whether or not it's the "right" one or whether or not you or I would do it.
I'll be the first to admit that for a young guy I have fairly traditional values compared to many other North Americans. I'm all for experimenting with sex though don't get me wrong.
Yeah I don't get turned on by the thought of fucking a chick 5 of my friends just fucked, but hey to each their own right? And that's just the thing. Whether or not we think it's hot to run trains, have sex with other guys, or whatever else doesn't diminish anyone else's right to like it and do it with other willing participants. Who are we to judge right? We're probably just as "fucked up" in some ways in their eyes.Quote:
Originally Posted by JunkYard
This is a very good point here. I am a guy and I don't understand why anyone would want to run a train on a chick, but some guys do like that! So just as you (badgirl) and other women can't understand why some chick would want to she may just be a kinky, freaky slut who likes to get her snooch pounded by 10 guys on a Friday night. It's not our place to judge them for liking that. If there are emotional repercussions then they will have to deal with their decision later.Quote:
Originally Posted by big smoke07
To start giving them flak on here without knowing the full situation is jumping the gun in my opinion.
:twocents: :jointsmile:
so did he have the threesome?
haha i was about to say that, wtf happened broQuote:
Originally Posted by orange floyd
Well...
I'll say one thing: You learn a lot about people by their opinions on stuff like this. What happened to morals? Some of this stuff is sickening to read.
I need to take a shower after all this. ~
I reckon they're more like intelligence, Billy. Some folks have 'em. Some don't.Quote:
Originally Posted by Billionfold
ya they both sucked my dick but i only fucked one. it was alright, but the way i see it, they werent anything too special, but this weekend i got some plans for this girl i know, and shes about an 8
haaaaaaaaaaaa, thread is hilarious. Not every girl like that is damaged/whatever else you called them, birdgirl.. it's called being an attention whore and I know too many. Some of the most annoying people in existance.
i'm pretty sure that anyone who is an "attention whore" is dammaged goods as you will find that they derive their self esteem from other peoples attention, rather than from with-in, which is the case in the so-called 'well adjusted' pshyche.Quote:
Originally Posted by smoking habit
morals are nothing more than opinions really. its the type of people who try to push their morals on others that are making this world a shitty place to live.Quote:
Originally Posted by Billionfold
And the crackhead that goes robbing people? The pimp that keeps his ho's doped up? The CEO who outsources labour to Chinese children? Their lack of morals make the world a shitty place to live. Your definition of morals is skewed. Morals do not come from religion or anything like that. Morality is not a bad thing. Ha ha, I may as well have said "morality is not immoral" but I don't think anyone here really cares to have a discussion on morality.Quote:
Originally Posted by darkside
*crickets chirping*
i just don't like the words morals and values because they are overused by religious zealots in attempt to gain followers and control people. i live my life according to my own principles, an ethical code. they are:Quote:
Originally Posted by canuck grower
dont hurt people who havent hurt you or your family
dont steal or cheat people
dont put your nose in other peoples business
dont be a rat
dont take another mans woman
Well I am glad that you have virtuous morals man. You may call them whatever you like and I can understand how religion turned you off of those terms. Perhaps ethics is a better term anyhow. :jointsmile:
its easy for eveeryone to drop there two cents [judge]
but in reality
if the women didnt want to fuck and get fucked they wouldnt be there
people get what they ask for
do your thing homies
if you aint hurting no body then fuck it ...handle it
i hate listening to people say whats right and whats wrong
fuck that
just live
A lot of people are hearing or interpreting "right and wrong" in what's been said. But really the point several of us have been trying to make is more about what's healthy and what's not. The pattern of "using" and victimizing women is unhealthy. And no matter what anyone says about girls putting themselves in the train-running situation willingly, the experts, polls, studies and research that's been done will back me up on this 100%. (There's been lots of research done in universities about later repurcussions of such situations, and for that matter, there've been plenty of studies of former porn stars who did gang bangs.) Women who make the choices to enter into situations like that are not operating from a healthy, whole perspective. They've nearly always endured some earlier form of abuse. And they're continuing to act it out in new ways when they engage in those situations. Admittedly, they may be entering into those situations willingly, but they're not doing so from a healthy mindset. Again, this isn't me saying this. These are the first-hand statements from women after they've been in those situations and the experts who've done in-depth studies of these women. Do you seriously think I'd be making such an issue about this if I didn't have some solid evidence to back me up? Do the research yourself and you'll find the same thing.
I believe in live and let live, too. But there are ways to do that that aren't at other people's expense. Ways to do that without hurting or using others. If you're just seeing this as a matter of right or wrong here, you're deliberately missing the point.
i dont see things as right or wrong
i see things as learning experiences
the girl who gets trained will eventually feel like shit
and change her life for the better or continue being a whore
i myself am a good man
but i have done many bad things
inorder for some people to learn about themselves
they must do things,even if they aint right
the way you sound birdy
you seem like the type of person who
talks a lot more than they act
if you have never gotten dirty
how do you knowhow good it feels to be clean
id rather trust info from a person who has been to hell and back
then to listen to someone who only knows heaven
You're making an assumption again, I guess based on what you think you've heard me saying or what you think you know about me. The women who've responded to the polls, studies, and surveys I keep talking about are the people who've been to hell and back. That's why I keep telling you guys to do some research for yourselves and confirm that I know what I'm talking about. Or if you're not motivated enough to do that, just put yourself in the position of someone with a daughter or a sister in a train-running situation.
I'm 45 and have lived a good bit longer than most of y'all. Have I lived in the ghetto or been a street fighter or a brotha or a gangster? Nope. Was born into different circumstances than that. In my younger days, I was a fairly wild child. Underneath the suburban mom/medical student persona, I still am (my husband would confirm this for you). Do I go to parties now and run the train for folks? Nope. Didn't do that in my younger days, either. I've been lucky in that I value myself highly enough that I can be choosy about who I get intimate with. That's a very good thing.
As far as having been to hell and back, part of the reason I've volunteered for so long in a women's crisis center is because I had three friends in college, plus that young student I talked about earlier, who were raped at various times. I came close to having it happen myself in college but was strong enough to fight the guy off and get away. That was enough experience for me to have an interest in the subject and learn more about it than the average person. One in four women faces some type of abuse in her lifetime. Probably the real figure is closer to one in three. If you think that after 25 years of working with people who've been touched by the situations we've been talking about above I haven't gained some insight into hell, then you're not as smart as I thought you were.
You need to get off your tough-talking, I've-seen-real-life butt sometime and go volunteer for a day or two in a women's crisis center. Or better yet, ride out with a medic crew on an ambulance for a few years in a two-university city and see half the things I've seen in a single weekend. Once your real life experience begins to approach my own, you can come on back and tell me whether or not I've seen hell.
My own past experiences and being 44 I've noticed that the ones that get it, respect it.....the ones that don't have the big mouths and dry sticky hands. Seems there are few in here that should have the user name "Spanky".:D
Don't get me wrong though, the stories are amuzing. Keep on spending that $5 for the mag and letting us in on the fantasy.
Have a good one!:jointsmile:
I would SERIOUSLY advise showing a bit of respect or you'll be looking for another baked.com.Quote:
Originally Posted by friendowl
Don't be playin' this type of shit in here dude.:mad:
Have a good one!:jointsmile:
Hey.
Hey.
I love you all. ~
psycho for bud--- i was talking with bird in a respectful manner
that was just how i feel . if you want to be a bad ass
and ban me then go ahead but this was an a and b
conversation so id appreciate it if you could c your
way out of it ...no direspect
i have two daughters and if they got trained it would myself to blame
for people who claim to be open minded you sure are not
i aint dissing no -one i just dont agree
you my friend psycho and billion fold are some fake ass people
im very disappointed in you people
Well from me and Billions fake asses and from Birdy.......have a good vacation.Quote:
Originally Posted by friendowl
Have a good one!:jointsmile:
He got banned because he disagreed with a mod? I've seen people here use the word nigger more than once which i know pisses off me and the other black people on this site off AND say much more rude things than what friendowl said. They werent banned and didnt have half the intelligence or life experiences he had. But as soon as one disagrees with a mod he is banned?
Doesnt seem right to me.
This thread is ridiculous.
The bragging might impress some lame-o little punk who has never seen a pussy, but it CERTAINLY is not impressing the rest of us.
Birdgirl's got her back up against the wall and I'm gonna go over and stand with her:
You guys with the irresponsible attitudes towards sex, and the disrespectful attitudes towards women, deserve to have neither sex nor womens' company.
And you get an STD, what then?
And with that crap attitude, you're the type of guys who would lie to a drunk girl 'oh yeah I'm clean' just to get a little action.
Then guess what, she's got it too!!! GREAT!!! But it's all good right, because you got off?
No, it is absolutely NOT all good.
You guys are lucky enough to have Birdgirl sitting here explaining about rape and date rape and sexual abuse and WHY girls with no self-esteem would agree to be with someone who obviously doesn't respect them, just for a feeling of validation that lasts a few moments, then it's back to being really down on herself... listen to Birdgirl. She's being more than patient with you abusive assholes.
I'm done here.
This whole thing is making me ill.
Agreed. This isn't the first thread he has let his true demeanor shine through. Last time, Birdgirl actually deleted some of his posts as a FAVOR because he was making a complete ass of himself. Some people just don't learn though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Billionfold
wow chill the fuck out. acting like babies. banning him.... bahahah... i guess that's cool...?