Cool thread. Possibly one of the best I've read in a long time, on this forum, and not.
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Cool thread. Possibly one of the best I've read in a long time, on this forum, and not.
This put a smile on my face. It's good to know they're kids out there that know fact, and arnt scared to tell people they are wrong.
Epecially at 10.
Your sons amazing.
you are one fucked up dude!Quote:
Originally Posted by MastaChronic
get some mental help PLZ!
My son found out I smoked when I was 14.He was snooping around my room.:mad: I told him I smoked.I didn't think it would be a good idea to lie about it after he found a bong.He is almost 17 now.He says he doesn't care.My daughter is almost 19 and found out about a year ago.I don't know if I handled it well but I just knew I wasn't going to lie about what I do.
nice job on telling him to wait until he is 18
sounds like a cool kid
and his teacher sounds like EVERY "health" or "dare" teacher I have ever had
Talking to a 10 year old about drugs is a bad idea in my opinion. Personally, if my child was 10, I would let him/her live in blissfull ignorance thinking that marijuana is bad for you, and eventually have a normal talk with them when they are considerably older. Kids that age don't need to know anything about marijuana, they should have toys and stuff on their minds nit drugs lmao.
Although its nice to see your son has such a rich personality. Not afraid to challenge the teachers, way the go man!
Just know that your son does know that you smoke. I can remember when I was 7-8 (21 now) and I knew my mom smoked. Kids know a hell of a lot more than you must think.
cool. sounds like a good kid
MAD PROPS TO UR SON
thats sick man, good job :greenthumb:
Though I agree that marijuana is wrongly portrayed in anti-drug messages and kids are lied to...you don't want to risk introducing it to him too young.
I think that a kid gets curious about sex way before he/she ever is confronted with marijuana. Sex obviously is a bigger and separate issue.
I agree with an above post that said it was better for the children to be ignorant until they reach a certain age.
If you use for medical reasons, thats good and fine. I have no problem with a 10 year old saying "my daddy uses marijuana for his condition".
But like we were taking about strange kids offering MJ then meth....yes other kids have an impact, but a parent has 10x the influence.
I remember an anti drug discussion in HS class one time about marijuana. I had only used it once or twice and wasn't really that impressed with it. A few guys in my class who were smokers weren't taking any of that 'MJ is a bad drug' bullshit. However, they are probably the dumbest guys I'll ever meet. I chose to stay away from MJ.
Now I am in college nearing a degree and I smoke like there is no tomorrow. I *never* refuse a hit. I stay until the blunt is finished even if I have to finish it myself. My point is, I think it is better for kids to be ignorant about it as long as possible.....for their own sake. I would probably cry if my child started using regularly before he even got a high school diploma.
I have more respect for a 16 year old boring no common sense bookworm that will probably never get any ass until he buys it than a 16 year old 'intelligent' full of common sense kid that can't graduate cause he is stoned all the time.
Like i said, marijuana shouldn't be introduced, it should be discovered. Discovered on your own terms just like life, sex, music, religion, and god.
If you had a child and he/she asked you about marijuna what would you do? Lie, and tell them it's a bad and dangerous drug, or would you be honest? I think we should give kids a little more credit, valkrie. Introducing them to it is one thing, but being honest when they ask is quite another.
I don't smoke medically per se, but I do smoke to relax at night when my son is at his mothers. When he's here, I spend my time with him, and we have some really good discussions. The other night when we were talking, he looked at me and said "I love talking to you, dad" I don't know about you, but that made me feel really good, and appreciated.
I have no worries about my son smoking MJ at an early age. Why? Because I sat down with him in a non-judgemental way, and discussed the issue intelligently. I didn't freak out and call it a devil drug, nor did I condone the use of it. I did however talk to him about it being used and prescribed by doctors for medicinal purposes in some places.
I told him I totaly support it being decriminalized, and that he should wait until it's legal before he ever considers trying it (If ever). He actually told me after we talked about the penalties if caught that he'll never use it just because of this, but at the same time, he wants to push for legalization like me.
We also talked about the dangers of smoking at a young age (before 18) and how it could effect his mental state. He knows it's not as danerous as cigs, or alcohol, but he also knows it can have some negative effects on him, which is another reason I'm at ease. He's very health conscious, and he doesn't do things that could harm him. He makes me go outside when I smoke a cig, and he despises alcohol. He knows these things are dangerous, as is MJ when you take into account the legal ramifications of being caught.
I'm in favor of being honest with my child, valkrie. He knows I once smoked MJ, he knows I've been to jail, he knows a lot of things about me, and that's the way it should be. Better he learn these things from me than from someone else. He will ultimately decide for himself, but I can at least be a guide and example for him.
As for being that example.. ..I NEVER smoke when he's at my home, I never drink when he's at my home, and I would never ever encourage him to break the law. I walk in a manner worthy of his admiration, and as far as he's concerned, I am a law abiding citizen just trying to make a difference in the live's of those who would benefit from MJ being legal. To him, I am an activist, and someone he can look up to. My cannabis mags are simple research, and if I didn't whole heartedly believe in the benefits of cannabis, I would have done what you'd do, and keep the facts from him, lie, and allow him to stay ignorant.
MJ is not just a recreational drug to get high on, but a valid, and much needed medication. I use it to relax so I can sleep at night. I've suffered from insomnia for years, and when I don't get my sleep I get quite mental, lol! You don't want to be around me when I haven't slept for a day or two.. ..I'm a beast, arrogant and on a full blown warpath w/o my sleep. Worse than being on a whiskey drunk even.. ..
As for the kids who smoke at an early age. (14 -17) Do you honestly believe that none of them do well in school? Please, that is such an unfair assesment on your part. Many, if not most make excellent marks in school and further their studies at a university of some sort. I'd say there are more highschool 'dropouts' who don't smoke weed than do. I'd like to see some statistics on this just to cast down these kind of assumptions.
As for the dumb remark about those kids who stood for what they believed in, you should be ashamed. At least they had the courage to go against the grain. They may have been dumb.. ..I don't know but who are you to call it like that? You're sitting here suggesting to let our kids live in ignorance, and to let them "discover" drugs on their own. That's complete nonsense!
w/o being properly educated on drugs who knows what they'll get into. Meth? Heroin? Cocain? Let other people teach them then you risk them being fed false information, and they'll see straight through it.
You seem to under estimate the power of peer pressure and lack of parental influence, you got to lay a foundation, and a trust relationship early on as a parent, or you'll lose their respect, and they'll never listen to you. They will give you a big FUCK YOU and do what they want anyway. I say teach them when they ask, an be as honest as you can be. If they don't ask, then maybe you should consider being a little more open minded around them, so they feel thay can at least talk to you about these delicate issues w/o fear of being ridiculed. I'm honest with my kid, and I expect him to be honest with me. Trust is a wonderful thing when appropriately utilized....
Junk~
Ha that shit is great! Spark him up wene he turns 16 thats a good age to try it.
In an ideal world maybe... but this world is full of references to drugs of all sorts and it is best that a child learn from a parent first, and then see the references differently, than just finidng out along the way, and looking at the PARENT'S opinion differently...they TOTALLY should have toys on their minds!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Pink_Floyd
I mean, when we see kids on here bragging that they were smoking at 7, and other kids trying to grow in mom's house at 14, and then remember that kid juicyfruit who had in his SIG for God's sake that he was 14 and a list of all the drugs he had tried :eek: and the ones he still WANTED to try, that included some fucked up shit, I'll bet his parents never talked to him honestly about drugs!
I guess it's the same about the birds and the bees... wait until they are 16, and guess what? It's too late, your kid has already gotten some other kid pregnant.
You have a lucky kid, Junkyard. I don't doubt that he'll respect you more in the long run for being open with him about subjects like this.
I had some guidance from an older cousin of mine about weed and other drugs when I was about your son's age (maybe a little older), and I have to say if I hadn't had any sort of guidance outside of D.A.R.E. (ha ha), I quite possibly would have gone on to do harder drugs than weed, just out of the same curiosity that got me to try marijuana (IMO, the frame of mind comes before the drug, and the gateway theory is a crock). Thanks to having a dependable mentor and places like Erowid, I've been able to educate myself and make responsible decisions about what I put into my body.
I totally agree with you that parents should be honest with their kids, and not brush them off or lie to them to keep them from trying pot, or anything for that matter. Even if you lie to your child with 100% good intentions, when they find out (and chances are they will) they'll probably lose a considerable amount of respect for you, and possibly do worse things just to spite you, or to find out by experimentation whether they've been lied to about other things.
Even if the truth is fucked up, honesty is the best policy. Because a fucked-up truth, when concealed, is an even MORE fucked up lie.
Like if your kid is adopted. I think it'd be better to tell them early on, as screwed up as it might be for a kid to deal with, than stow it as some ugly secret to be possibly revealed later on in adolesence (just when a kid really needs more identity issues to deal with).
Candor > Deceit, by far. When it comes to everyone, really, but ESPECIALLY when it comes to kids.
I'm in my 20s and just found out my dad smokes. He has really bad back pain and it helps him get through it. I just never realized he used it til I told him that I did. After that he told me everything, including the strains they smoked and everything. He was talking about Alcupulco Gold. HAHA Nothing like hearing your dad say "sinsemilla" for the first time.
lol I'm still waiting for my stepfather to 'fess up... 20 years later... the guy used to be a park ranger, ski patroller, general outdoor geeky guy... I've met his ole skiin' buddies... please... :DQuote:
Originally Posted by PatrickHenry
Thanks, afghooey. I remember the time I came to my dad about drugs, and you know what he told me?Quote:
Originally Posted by afghooey
He said, "If you ever get involved with drugs, I'll beat you!" That's it, no info, no talk.. ..just a threat of violence, lol! You know what I did? I gave him a big FUCK YOU and tried everything I could get my hands on just for spite. I ended up in jail a few times, and developed a bad powder addiction.
I regret it now because he (My dad) has disowned me, AND his grandson, but you learn from your mistakes, and from the mistakes of others. I swore to myself that I'd never be like my father, and that Id be a guide instead of a power tripping over zealous uninformed POS like my dad was.
My son called him the other day, and my dad wouldn't even talk to him. It was Christmas for Gods sake, and my dad, because of me wouldn't even allow my son the pleasure of wishing him a merry christmas.
Sad stuff, man!
I had absoluely no guidence whatsoever, and you see what I did, lo! I think it's important to be a teacher, and lead instead allowing kids to simply discover. Children need guidence pure and simple, they need someone open minded and honest, too. I worked with troubled kids for several years, and learned a great deal during this time. We had atleast one 3 hour class every week where they would teach us to utilize trust, and compassion, and tolerance.Quote:
I had some guidance from an older cousin of mine about weed and other drugs when I was about your son's age (maybe a little older), and I have to say if I hadn't had any sort of guidance outside of D.A.R.E. (ha ha), I quite possibly would have gone on to do harder drugs than weed, just out of the same curiosity that got me to try marijuana (IMO, the frame of mind comes before the drug, and the gateway theory is a crock). Thanks to having a dependable mentor and places like Erowid, I've been able to educate myself and make responsible decisions about what I put into my body.
These kids were beaten by their parents, and abused in ways you couldn't imagine. It would take years sometimes just to get a trust relationship established with them, and when they finally came to grips with reality, started trusting adults again, we'd ship them off to go live on their own, or in some foster home with complete strangers. I loved that job, but I couldn't handle it when these kids were shipped off somewhere else. It broke my heart, ghooey! I ended up quiting the job, and I started driving a cab, lol!
The point I'm trying to make, is it wasn't until my later years that I myself was guided, and that I learned about developing trust foundations. Trust is an amazing thing when utilized appropriatly. I think parents should consider this before their children get old enough to ask the hard questions.
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I totally agree with you that parents should be honest with their kids, and not brush them off or lie to them to keep them from trying pot, or anything for that matter. Even if you lie to your child with 100% good intentions, when they find out (and chances are they will) they'll probably lose a considerable amount of respect for you, and possibly do worse things just to spite you, or to find out by experimentation whether they've been lied to about other things.
^^You nailed it afghooey!^^ Even so, I'm not ready to let my kid know that I smoke MJ. When he's older, after he's done his fair share of research, and is able to keep things quite, Ill confess, but until then, it's hush hush. :cool:
Junk~
You should ask. Old stoner stories are the best.Quote:
Originally Posted by stinkyattic
Well kids might be smarter than we give them credit for, they are just little people after all, but they don't have the experience.
And I never said that kids that smoke pot never make it to college.....who do you think I smoke with? :jointsmile: I am just saying that it happens all too often.
Yes those guys in high school were notorious idiots and quite the example. When i say discover, I don't mean like they don't know what they are doing. I mean they experience it on their own terms. I 'discovered' it on my own, I was ignorant but I tried it and years later (now) i have picked it up without looking back. I *NOW* understand how it can be beneficial and enjoyable for recreational uses and medcinal purposes. Why? Because I am old enough to grasp the concept. If you handed me a 'marijuana joint' when I was 10 years old, I would probably think you were the devil himself. Keep marijuana out of childrens lives. It has no place there. When they are ready, you can talk to kids/teens about it and they will have a better grasp of what you are telling them.
Also, I don't understand how you can teach a child about the legality of marijuana when it is something they have never experienced. How can a 10 year old become an advocate for the legalization of marijuana?
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Originally Posted by ValkyrieAg
I agree that handing a joint to a ten year old, or even a 16-17 year old is irresponsible. I'd never do that, but I can teach him about it to the best of my ability. Just like when the schools bring in speakers against it; kids learn quick, and what they learn at a young age tends to stick. I'll be the one teaching my child, and that's the way it should be.
As for him being an activist at age 10.. ..He can't and I don't want him to be. I suggested he do research until he's old enough to actually do something beneficaial towards the cause. also, the legal issues are quite easy to grasp at his age. Marijuana is illegal and shouldn't be used as far as he's concerned, but he knows that in some areas of the country, Dr.s are prescribing it as legitimate medication. What hard to grasp about that, val?
Like I said, kids deserve more credit than they are given.. ..
Junk~
kids do deserve much more cred than we give them. they might be the little people but hell can they put some of us to shame lol. its all gd junkyard u just keep doing what your doing man ur an amazing parent from what ive read so far and u should'nt change a thing about you and your son's relationship. you are both so lucky to have each other i bet each day u spend with him is a totally new experiance especially at that age. ne way gd job man nuff respect to you and your son take care all peace!
thank you for the comment on the other page stinkyattic well nice of you thank you! peace
So you are teaching your 10 year old child to the best of your ability that smoking Marijuana is OK? You might as well hand him a joint. If you are against young people smoking MJ, think about this. When do you think he will first start smoking MJ? Honestly, do you think he will wait until he is 17? 18?Quote:
Originally Posted by JunkYard
A 10 year old cannot fully grasp a 'legal issue'. He might know that doctors are prescribing it as a legitimate medication, yeah, everyone knows that whether they are pro or anti-MJ. There is nothing difficult to grasp about that. But how can he *understand* the 'reason' why it is being medically prescribed without ever trying it?
Personally, if I saw a random 10 year old child advocating marijuana (for any reason) because his daddy told him so, I would think his parents to be irresponsible. But you can parent anyway you want. Both my parents are teachers (ret.) with masters (and have been state recognized) and have *alot* of years of experience with 8-12year olds. I know they have smoked in their life, so they aren't Pot Nazis. But if they heard that someone would actually advocate marijuana to their 10 year old son, they would be disappointed.
Though I am but in my early 20s, I suppose I come from the old school. But like I said, you can parent how ever you want. I respectfully but completely disagree with your logic.:jointsmile:
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Originally Posted by ValkyrieAg
That's cool, man! Im certainly not a teacher, but I've worked with kids most my adult life, and I've found that it helps to understand what makes them tick. I've had many hours class time myself, along with many more hands on, so I'll trust what I've learned over a twenty year old who had teachers as parents. My mother was a teacher, too, btw.
Also, I never said MJ was o.k for him to use, and I NEVER told him to do/say anything. I said it's illegal and should be avoided, but I also gave the other side when he asked, which is only fair. And no, my child will not smoke at an early age, he was curious after they talked about it in school, (Aren't all kids?) and I broke it down for him in simple "realistic" and honest terms. I would expect the same from any parant, and it has nothing to do with logic; it has to do with honesty, trust and simply being realistic.
If you think MJ is such a bad substance, then why do you smoke, man? I want it legalized because it certainly should be, and I treat with a little less urgency than alcohol. Do you think it wrong to talk to kids about alcohol, too? They gotta learn from somewere, man. You do your thing, and I'll do mine, and if my approach fails, then I'll be the first to admit it, but I have no worries. I know my son, and he's a very intelligent kid. I trust him, and he trusts me.
Btw, MJ should be treated as any other prescription medication. What's the difference? All are illegal w/o a script.. ..Again, what's so hard to understand, other than there being bogus federal laws against its use? The subject might be delicate, but it's not difficult by a long shot!
Junk~
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Originally Posted by JunkYard
Well I do agree with you and I respect that you have worked with children before. Honestly, I can't handle kids of that age for very long...so it goes without saying, take whatever I say with a grain of salt.
I don't think MJ is bad, not near as destructive as alcohol. (please note my drunk stories). I haven't had to talk to a police officer in the past 3 years that I have been smoking. It actually keeps me out of trouble. However, I do consider it destructive to someone who is just coming of age and still developing mentally and emotionally. I do feel that alcohol comes into play much earlier on than marijuana does. I used to drive 15 miles on friday nights (small town texas football) to buy beer when I was in high school. Alot of my party hard friends have nearly killed themselves (some even more than once) drinking and driving (which i do my fair share of).
But seriously, marijuana and drinking is a part of high school. Every kid will go through it and experience whatever they end up experiencing. Whether that experience will affect you negatively or positively is another thing. Some kids just take a nosedive. But you sound intelligent enough to not let it become a problem. My arguement MOSTLY is just because I am the only one who is 'gently' opposing you. Whether whoever is right, it is always good to hear it from a different perspective. The reason I view things the way I do, is solely because of my own life. I did alot of stupid things that could have landed me in a world of hurt...whether it be prison (look for a new thread) or near death by stupidity. I just happened to get through unscathed...but lots of kids don't. At the same time, being who I am and how i am, I have accidentally 'overloaded' people...whether it be smoking marijuana, cussin like a fuckin' sailor, taking shots and overall just being my crude self. Some people just can't manage with foreign substances.
I am definately no angel and don't believe I am the Answer to all that is bad. I smoke because I enjoy it. Will i smoke forever? maybe. maybe not. Is my life technically more productive now? No. But it is a tradeoff I am willing to make. And yes, Legalize it!