Lol this post is a joke. If you dont like rap then you can piss off and leave this thread to people who would rather discuss rap, then have to defend it from idiots like you.Quote:
Originally Posted by suhl
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Lol this post is a joke. If you dont like rap then you can piss off and leave this thread to people who would rather discuss rap, then have to defend it from idiots like you.Quote:
Originally Posted by suhl
Suhl is just a 15 year old who doesn't know much about music, and definitely doesn't know ANYTHING about hip hop. Just leave him be.
And to someone who said Jeezy is 'REAL'...how the fuck do you know...I bet all that shits bullshit whatever he says. At least every Nas song isn't about coke.
LOL dude, I can't stop laughing at this..so sorry for the double post. A lot of rap artists either mention or exclusively talk about violence, selling drugs, getting girls, etc. It's called playing a character. Obviously most of them don't indulge in these illegal activities (although smoking weed I do agree..most probably do). You must be a young'n too if you believe Jeezy sells drugs..he might have never saw coke in his life for all we know...LOL.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mista Sippi
how the hell do you know he's playing character? jeezy BEEN in the hood. Jeezy BEEN had money. You think his parents were rich? Or you think he got his money playing the stock market?? I won't get into details, but I know for a FACT that Jeezy been in the game. NAS? hahahhahahah nas ain't never shot no guns, nas ain't never seen no dope.
Not to diss, but your avatar man? Electric Wizard? How can you call that music?Quote:
Originally Posted by suhl
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Originally Posted by Mista Sippi
Gullible children these days....cute....
I like all kinds of music, but I agree that most "mainstream rap" is crap. They may actually fuck bitches and sell coke but I like Jurrasic 5, People Under the Stairs.. that kind of rap.
Im not to sure if they are gullible. My half-brother grew up like 2 blocks away from Jeezy's hood. 4th ward is where he's from and my brother and his friends all say Jeezy is real. You see rappers like Mase, 50 cent that cant even walk down the street in there old hoods. Those are the fake rappers. Jeezy? He's real though. He's got major street credit in Atl.Quote:
Originally Posted by MacWQ33
Jeezy's last album was pretty good so I think i'll hafta download this one and give it a listen...
whoever said jeezy didn't deal drugs is tripping out, jeezy was ballin out of control before he even set foot into rappin himself....He was supposed to be a behind the scenes man like a dame dash, just running everything, but he started flowing........He had his own record deal before he was even a rapper, and he is affiliated wit BMF, Black Mafia Family, so he has money from that, people need to get their facts straight before saying random bullshit......BMF has been in the drug game for so many years..........
First off...I listen to hip hop, because I love the MUSIC..to me, it's ALL about the MUSIC. I could give a fuck less if you are real, fake, sell coke, don't sell coke, if you're black, white, if you're lying, if you're telling the truth...why does all that matter?!? As long as the music is good..that's all what counts. So Jeezy sold drugs...does that make his music better? Not even close, so why does it matter if he's 'real'.
I hate when people get all caught up in the 'aura' that hip hop gives off. It's like...if you don't have a gun, if you didn't sell drugs, if you're not from a poor neighborhood, if you don't have 'street cred', if you didn't kill someone....then you're not as good? Why does this take place..I couldn't tell you. It's pathetic really, that we praise these people for things that are clearly immorally wrong. I'm glad to hear Nas wasn't selling drugs and all that...it shows he's smarter than that and started off on a better path in life...and that is a bad thing because?!?
I'm sorry for any 'child' remarks...but think about it...you do sound pretty immature if you only like a certain rapper because he is 'real'. It has nothing to do with that...as long as the music is good. Some people just get too caught up in things that are unimportant...like taking sides in a rap beef..lol..it's just childish. You don't even know these people, yet you act like you're in their click or something...just listen to the music...and if you want to talk about real, you must throw in Jada and Styles...right? But so what if they're real...half the stuff they say is still creatively made up...and that's what makes them great lyricists...remember....it's ALL about the music..I've sold drugs and I like in a shitty part of town, but I don't consider myself 'real'...it's just fact of life...nothing to brag about...actually it fucking sucks...nothing good about it.
Speaking of bombs I did some post nuking........next will be the "bomb" thrower if I EVER see that type of shit again!:mad:
Have a good one!:jointsmile:
no problemo p4b:) :thumbsup:
it's not about being real, it's about tryin to portray an image of something your not, i respect jeezy cause he lives his lyrics, i don't respect 50 cent cause he doesn't live half of his lyrics anymore, he got shot nine times.......7 fuckin yrs ago, who cares........
Lol it doesnt matter if your lyrics are real or not? What kind of sense does that make. That makes absolutely no sense at all no matter how you put it.
Nas and Jeezy are just different. You could say Nas is whack because he's not as hood as Jeezy or any rapper that brags about movin coke, but Nas doesn't brag about that shit so why are we saying he's whack? The real rappers who are whack are the ones saying their from the streets and are actually lying (I.E. 50 Cent).
This discussion really shouldn't be happening.
Instead of continuing to go back and forth...let's settle on a common ground. We obviously disagree about the way hip hop should be viewed. We all like hip hop for whatever reason....how do you guys feel about the following...
Biggie, Tupac, Shady, Jay, Nas, Jadakiss, Styles, all of Wu-Tang, Snoop, Game, Redman, Talib Kweli, Common, AZ, Big L, Big Pun, Bone Thugs, Busta, De La Soul, KRS, Big Daddy Kane, Rakim, DMX, Ice Cube, Scarface, older Outkast, Tribe Called Quest...just curious? Or have you never even heard of some of them?
Do they all suck because they don't/didn't live the lives they portray? LOL!! I definitely will say Jeezy cracks the top 100 MC's of all time...I'll give him that lol. Dammit...I went negative again...I'm tryna get us to 'discuss' rather than 'argue'...I swear I'm trying but it's hard with people that respect the person rather than the music..
footpaul...I agree...I'm tryna show these kids it's about the music, but they're not getting it...they would rather respect the killer rather than the one who can describe a killing better in music. Everyone DL....Nas - "I Gave You Power", and tell me that's not one of the best songs you've ever heard whether he's lying or not.
The person makes the music...Quote:
Originally Posted by MacWQ33
Maybe people just want a *true* artist, and not some "actor." Otherwise, why would anyone listen to what they're saying?
It needs to be REAL. ~
Most of the rappers you listed are good and most on the list are better than Jeezy IMO, but let's be fair to Jeezy, he's not a bad rapper. He has a decent flow and talks about the hood while still allowing his words to mostly make sense (which is tough for some Southern rappers;) ). At least he doesn't completely suck like Dem Franchise Boys or D4L.Quote:
Originally Posted by MacWQ33
They're all actors...except maybe big Jeezy over here...most of the artists I named probably didn't live those lives, but they're the greatest of all time. Eminem for example...one of the best lyricists/rhymers/rappers of all time..hands down no discussion. Do you think he really fucked some girl with his 10 pound dick and fuck her to death? I don't think so, but the way he describes it in words is amazing...not to mention all the other fictional stories he's come up with over the years...Big L...another one no discussion...listen to one of his songs...detailed down to a pin, but obviously over the top just a bit...Quote:
Originally Posted by Its a Plant
I agree...but most? Which one is he better than? But it's not about that...I'm just trying to say...if the music is good...that's all that matters. 50 Cent is very fake and doesn't do shit that he says right? Yes we can agree...but you must admit his first album is a classic, every song hit the mark...I'm not a 50 fan...but that shit was goood music...then he fucked up with his second effort..I dunno what he was thinking there.Quote:
Originally Posted by footpaul
Jeezy is not as worse as half the 'rappers' in the south, but he shouldn't be accounted for just because he is telling the truth...I agree he should be respected (if you call it that) for his street cred...but he still makes annoying as fuck music...and is not much of a lyricist.
Because it's music and it sounds good to him. Exaggeration is a form of poetry is it not? And doesn't Rap stand for rhythm and poetry?Quote:
Originally Posted by Its a Plant
Some of the illest shit, go listen to some children of the corn, cam was spitting fire, bloodshed was ridiculous with it, mase was killing it, and big l was killin it....... Fuckin with a known felon is a big track
Hell yeah kid...we can finally agree...Cam is obviously not a prime lyricist, but he can rhyme better than most, and make great music...and Murder Mase used to do his thing to...and Big L...go get "7 Minute Freestyle" with Jay-Z from '95....OMG...spits such fire.Quote:
Originally Posted by spliffstar22
And Footpaul...you hit the mark man...that's a great way to put what I'm trying to say here...thanks for helping me out..I've had a tough time trying to say what I mean I guess.
50 was trying to make money on Massacre. His record people were telling him that shit sells, so he makes it.Quote:
Originally Posted by MacWQ33
Don't waste your time trying to convince other people about how you think this music is better than their music. It's a losing fight.
Yeah..I agree..that's really not what I was trying to say..sorry if that's what you got...I just meant even though he's a bullshit artist..I'd deem that album a damn good one. Rhythm and poetry baby...I like that.Quote:
Originally Posted by footpaul
Well Eminem's a circus act, really...Quote:
Originally Posted by MacWQ33
I was thinking more along the lines of Tupac. Now THAT man lived what he spoke, which, surprisingly enough, was more than just your typical ramblings of money, parties, drug deals, whatever... And he did it well.
I can't really respect an artist that was never a part of what they're laying down. That's no heart, to me. Where did they get their inspiration to rap? Is it money? Fame? My guess is half...no, 3/4...of the rap artists are in it for one of the two.
I have to listen to shit that's got some heart and passion, but apparently I'm one of a few. ~
Listen man...I DO agree with what you mean. (Em's great though you gotta admit haha...his first album was a little crazy, but his recent shit is top quality and he's changed a whole genre of music, so you gotta give him that.) The people I named though...are poetic geniuses...nothing more nothing less. Fuck yeah they're probably in it for the loot, but if you're good at what you do, you get a little greedy at times...don't we all. I'm sure all these guys were a PART of what they're laying down, but obviously some things are embellished. Nothing wrong with that, like Paul said...exaggeration is a poetic device just like when people write fictional books..I just find it amazing how their minds work...I could never think of anything that Em has said...he's fucking nuts..and that's what's great about him..lyrical genius. Tupac is great in a different way..he takes things he knows and turns them into poetry. It's different, but it should all deem the same respect...Quote:
Originally Posted by Its a Plant
Whewww...my brain and hands are moving much too quickly...the beer is getting to me now..must slow down..lol....
Lol, oh yeah, you won't hear me saying Eminem's NOT one-of-a-kind.
His first album tore it up, and that's an understatement. After that, it's like he tried to re-discover himself or something, when in reality, most already saw him as the wacked-out white guy with lyrics so far out there you had to listen...
EIGHT MILE! ~
i don't know......cam is still sick, a lot of people think he spits gibberrish but you just gotta listen and it all makes sense....... The next man to blow should be papoose but he's too street for mainstream, he could never spit that inextiguishable fire on mainstream tracks....I don't think he even cares, he puts out a new fuckin mixtape every month and it sounds like an album.......
Yeah I hear ya...I LOVE his first album. It's nothing anyone's ever heard before in the big world we call music..I was like 'what the fuck' when I first heard it. The way I look at it, and I've told my friends this....the first album he was on acid and mushrooms....second album was definitely coke-induced..with all the killing and anger...and then the third album (when he was off drugs..due to probation) was his first really serious attempt at making music. I think he succeeded as he brought politics into the mix and real life happenings...probably his 'best' album if you want to put it that way. Then his fourth album...well...let's just say I neverrr listen to that shit...he's coming again next year so well see..I expect a lot...I actually expect a pretty good offering...Quote:
Originally Posted by Its a Plant
Haha, I know what you mean, because I actually love Cam for what he does. He does try too hard to rhyme sometimes which results in maybe not making sense. But, that's all right in my book, because he never fails to flow like water through a hose. Inextiguishable fire...I like that...yeah I haven't heard too much Pap..just a few tracks, but like you said he probably don't give a fuck....he just likes making music.Quote:
Originally Posted by spliffstar22
and you can't forget Dblock, S.P is too much, he rips it, sheek doesn't spit the same, i pitch it to my elves like santa, but when i'm in atlanta, it's manda-tory.......i forgot the rest, but that track is big.........jada has always been sick, jae hood is dropping soon, Team Arliss is straight fire......
Oh my god dude, how did we disagree earlier? You gotta get the second LOX album if you like Styles and Jada (Sheek is really not bad in it either). Styles new album is alright...it definitely does have a couple bangers. And then there's Jada...ohhh Jada...I fucking love this dude...I DLedthis mixtape the other day (if you want the link I'll give it to ya)...61 tracks...all Jadakiss just spitting fire. In my honest opinion, I think he's one of the best...present day...and of all time. Yeah..some people say he doesn't make the greatest songs (I think he does though)...but I'd rather listen to a Jada mixtape or even his 2 albums more than a lott of shit..and that's no bullshit. He's just sooo sick....Quote:
Originally Posted by spliffstar22