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US Iraq death toll 'hits 3,000'
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Originally Posted by Lucifuge
What we need to do is send in the fuckin Marines to kick down every door like they did in Fallujah in 2004. In 2 months, the Marines turned Fallujah into one of the safest cities in Iraq.
It's gungho BS like this that makes me wonder what the fuck some people are smoking.
The answer is to get the US military where it belongs ,, on US soil. Bush is a maniac and his policies have brought about a lot more deaths than Saddam or Al Quieda are responsible for.
Put a major arms dealing family in the white house then start a few wars and watch profits soar for said family. MMMMMMMMMM Couldn't happen :cool:
Just as Britain discovered with the IRA it's damn hard to protect yourself when you don't know who the enemy is.
Would the poster also use the same way to deal with homegrown good old fasioned American terrorists ?
Sweep New Jersey with military, going house to house booting in doors ,beating up, raping and killing those they think aren't co-operating?
Crazy MoFo
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US Iraq death toll 'hits 3,000'
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Originally Posted by psychocat
It's gungho BS like this that makes me wonder what the fuck some people are smoking.
The answer is to get the US military where it belongs ,, on US soil.
Well, that was my first option but that just isn't going to fucking happen now is it?
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Just as Britain discovered with the IRA it's damn hard to protect yourself when you don't know who the enemy is.
Research what the Marines did in 2004... Under 100 Americans Soldiers dead, 1500+ Insurgents killed, 1000 captured.
http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/0208/p01s02-woiq.html
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Would the poster also use the same way to deal with homegrown good old fasioned American terrorists ?
Sweep New Jersey with military, going house to house booting in doors ,beating up, raping and killing those they think aren't co-operating?
Crazy MoFo
If thousands of terrorists were hiding out in Jersey, planting IED's on the side of the road, set off car bombs in the middle of the street, sniping US troops like cowards, etc. If it came down to it, then yes. But tell me, other then full withdrawal of US troops, what would YOU do about the situation in Iraq?
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US Iraq death toll 'hits 3,000'
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Originally Posted by psychocat
The answer is to get the US military where it belongs ,, on US soil. Bush is a maniac and his policies have brought about a lot more deaths than Saddam or Al Quieda are responsible for.
going house to house booting in doors ,beating up, raping and killing those they think aren't co-operating?
The 1980-88 Iran-Iraq war left 150,000 to 340,000 Iraqis and 450,000 to 730,000 Iranians dead. Saddam Hussein ordered the invasion and destruction of Kuwait in 1990-91 with 1,000 Kuwaitis killed. Directed the 1991 bloody suppression of Kurdish and Shi'a insurgencies in northern and southern Iraq with at least 30,000 to 60,000 killed. he later ordered the destruction of southern marshes to extinguish the Shi'a insurgency
http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita...raq/saddam.htm
"We've already discovered just so far the remains of 400,000 people in mass graves," said British Prime Minister Tony Blair on November 20 in London. The United Nations, the U.S. State Department, Amnesty International, and Human Rights Watch (HRW) all estimate that Saddam Hussein's regime murdered hundreds of thousands of innocent people. "Human Rights Watch estimates that as many as 290,000 Iraqis have been 'disappeared' by the Iraqi government over the past two decades
http://www.usaid.gov/iraq/legacyofterror.html
Here's some numbers just from Saddam........quite the tally to overcome, you got your work cut out for ya to prove your theory. Just remember, I still have the Al-Quada numbers to add on.
Why the hell is it that these dictators always get the sympothy card in here and the U.S. is the big bad monster? Next time a natural disaster wipes out half a country maybe we should stay "on U.S. soil" and do like these precious dictators and say fuck it.
Can't wait to see the links for the U.S. genocidal attacks in that region.
Have a good one!:jointsmile:
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US Iraq death toll 'hits 3,000'
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Originally Posted by Great Spirit
Just keep on praising a warlike fascist nation that sends its people to die for control and oil. Hmm....almost 1000 US soldiers dying each year in the name if fascism and oil. Great price guys!!
May God bring judgment against Amerika....The Whore of Babylon!
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6221805.stm
The death of a Texan soldier in Baghdad brings the total number of US troops killed in Iraq to 3,000, independent groups tracking casualties have said.
The US Defence Department confirmed that the soldier was killed by small arms fire in the capital last week.
The announcement came on the final day of 2006 and as the US military reached the end of the deadliest month for its troops in Iraq for two years.
The US president is considering the future strategy for troops in Iraq.
The figure was calculated by an independent website, Iraq Coalition Casualty Count, and by the Associated Press news agency.
The Pentagon confirmed the death of 22-year-old Dustin R Donica on 28 December as previously unreported.
"Every loss is regretted and there is no special significance to the overall number of casualties," Lt Col Mark Ballesteros said.
The BBC's Jonathan Beale, in Washington, says this grim milestone comes at a critical time for Mr Bush as he prepares to unveil a new strategy in Iraq, which may include increasing the number of soldiers on the ground.
The loss of wildlife, our oceans, etc etc, due to oil spills is also a loss we must talk about and do all we can to stop. Our health problems, or many of them, can be linked to oil and other fossil fuels
dai*ma:stoned:
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US Iraq death toll 'hits 3,000'
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Originally Posted by nikweiser
ya along with the massacre they left behind
Massacre? What a JOKE! It's a real massacre when you warn a town of invasion, allow people to have a designated time to gather belongings and leave the city with minimal checks and no interm camps. OH NO! We killed insurgents and terrorists....WHAT A MASSACRE!!!:rolleyes:
Maybe we could have just dropped in some machettes so they could have kept on be-heading those that didn't follow their beliefs.
DAMN I love the left. Defend against the death penalty in the U.S. but also defend those that be-head innocents in other regions.
Have a good one!:jointsmile:
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US Iraq death toll 'hits 3,000'
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Originally Posted by BlueCat
This is so true....they throw all this conspiracy stuff out there to confuse people. George H.W. Bush sold weapons to Iran...even though all trade was off because they were holding Americans hostage. I don't know how they are able to just sweep Iran contra under the rug!
We sold weapons to Saddam too and we sold them in central and south America. Its all about arms deals.
nothing new.
we sold steel to the soviet union who then turned it into weapons to be used on our troops in Vietnam.
American corporations are allowed to do business with our "enemies", while the business they are engaged in kill Americans.
dai*ma:stoned:
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US Iraq death toll 'hits 3,000'
Welcome to capitalism daima.
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US Iraq death toll 'hits 3,000'
What we need to do is send in the fuckin Marines to kick down every door like they did in Fallujah in 2004. In 2 months, the Marines turned Fallujah into one of the safest cities in Iraq.
I think we ought to send them to your neighborhood, kick a few doors etc. Tell me, WTF would you do if this country was invaded, would you try and kill the invaders? It really galls me that some Americans think they are so superior to citizens of other countries that they can't put themselves in their position and imagine what they would do in their circumstances, I think this is called unmittagated ignorance. You know and I know that if the situation was reversed, we'd both be sniping foriegn invaders at every chance. Wake up, we've unjustifiably invaded a soveriegn nation and the citizens don't approve. what makes us the only country on the planet allowed such travesties?
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US Iraq death toll 'hits 3,000'
Honestly, 3,000 troops isn't much compared to previous death tolls, but then again, we have a MUCH smaller military now compared to then.Not unless it was your son, brother, daughter, mother, father, cousin, uncle, friend, or some other acquaintance, then it would be one too many. People that talk like it's only 3,000 deaths are talking out their asses, let one of them be someone they love and watch the turn-around
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US Iraq death toll 'hits 3,000'
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Originally Posted by medicinal
I think we ought to send them to your neighborhood, kick a few doors etc.
I'm so deserving because I have an opinion that you disagree with right?
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Tell me, WTF would you do if this country was invaded, would you try and kill the invaders?
Of course I would.:D
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It really galls me that some Americans think they are so superior to citizens of other countries that they can't put themselves in their position and imagine what they would do in their circumstances, I think this is called unmittagated ignorance.
Ok, smart guy. I'll ask you the same question I asked Psychocat. Other then
full withdrawal of US troops, what would YOU do about the situation in Iraq?
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You know and I know that if the situation was reversed, we'd both be sniping foriegn invaders at every chance. Wake up, we've unjustifiably invaded a soveriegn nation and the citizens don't approve. what makes us the only country on the planet allowed such travesties?
The citizens? Or a few fucktard radicals that want to keep things the way they were before Saddam was removed? And last I checked, Israel "unjustifiably" invaded Lebanon last year. But we can't be bothered with what they're doing can we?
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US Iraq death toll 'hits 3,000'
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Originally Posted by Lucifuge
But tell me, other then full withdrawal of US troops, what would YOU do about the situation in Iraq?
I would turn dick cheney over to the iraqis for trial on crimes against humanity. That would make interesting TV.
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US Iraq death toll 'hits 3,000'
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Originally Posted by andruejaysin
I would turn dick cheney over to the iraqis for trial on crimes against humanity. That would make interesting TV.
How bout I bring the popcorn and we can watch it together :D
Ozark...you are firmly set on believing whatever your government tells you so I am really wasting my time debating you. If you believe the people in the Iran Contra scandal were innocent and just doing their patriotic duty then I am afraid the kool-aid has already saturated your brain. You should be able to find something saying Bush Sr. was innocent in the Iran contra scandal if it were true. It isn't. You really should not call someone a liar when you can't provide evidence to the contrary. Bush was the vice president for gods sake wake up.
You honestly think that they did not profit from the arms deal? Who do you think profits when weapons are sold? Who owns stock in those companies?
And NO selling weapons is not part of his DNA that's pretty dumb...its part of the Bush bank account why is that so hard to believe? I will try once again to explain it. Bush the grandfather sold weapons and profited. He was charged with treason, Bush Sr. was involved on a arms sale scandal....but we are suppose to believe he is innocent?
And under the present day Monkey Bush more weapons have been sold than EVER before in history and most of them have gone to the middle east! Just what they need more weapons to use on our soldiers.
And as for releasing the papers...I am fully aware of the FOIA I have filed 2 of them. Bush is not holding the papers until a later date. In case you missed it he passed a law that makes those papers tied to his daddy the property of the family so they will never be released to the public. PERIOD. Never. Now isn't that convenient? Those are historic documents. They are part of America's history. We have the right to see them but under this new law the papers will be the property of the Bush twins!
I suppose you believe Dick Cheney doesn't profit from Halliburton either...give me a break.
Why don't YOU do some research
The Arms Transfers Database
Database of all transfers of major conventional weapons since 1950
Financial value of the arms trade
Government and industry data on the financial value of arms exports
http://www.sipri.org/contents/armstrad/at_data.html
http://www.globalissues.org/Geopolit...tradeiscorrupt
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# The United States has agreed to sell to the United Arab Emirates advanced 80 F16s. The deal is estimated to be around 15 billion dollars. However, in return, the US will be able to build military bases there with improved access to the only deep-water port capable of housing carriers in the Persian Gulf. In this particular example, there are also concerns about the resulting stability in the region and the possible arms race it could start with the neighbors.
# Many weapons are also sold to Turkey. These have been used against the Kurds, in what some have described as the worst human rights violations and ethnic cleansing since the second World War. The US turns a blind eye to these atrocities because they are able to set up bases in such a key geopolitical location, giving access to places in the Middle East, and because Turkey could be one of the main receivers of oil headed to Western countries, from the Caspian sea.
# There are also many arms trade-related interests in the Middle East. By having pro-US monarchies and other regimes (not necessarily democracies) at the helm and promoting policies that often ignore democracy and human rights, arms deals are often lucrative and help continue US foreign policy objectives.
# Furthermore, the Middle East is the most militarized region in the world procuring more arms than anywhere else.
IT IS WRONG TO SELL THESE WEAPONS. YOU CAN"T BITCH ABOUT MASS GRAVES AND PEOPLE BEING SLAUGHTERED WITHOUT LOOKING AT WHO PROVIDED THE WEAPONS IN ORDER FOR THE KILLINGS TO TAKE PLACE!
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US Iraq death toll 'hits 3,000'
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Originally Posted by Lucifuge
Welcome to capitalism daima.
i know , and have known for 50 years how dangerous capitalism is to the earth and the living things that inhabit it.
dai*ma
i aint no capitalist
i aint no communist
i aint no socialist
I am a human being that cares about my planet and all that call it, home.
dai*ma
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the fact of the matter is, we are committed to iraq now, and it would be worse to pull out sooner than later, leaving the country in an unstable state. my father has spent over two years total in iraq and i would trust his valid opinion of the situation over there better than the news that i see on tv, partially because it is very biased against the conflict. he has stated more than once that a huge majority of iraqi citizens prefer having the united states over there rather than not. this is not to say we should establish a permanent presence in iraq, but that it is in reality a small minority of the population that is against our occupation. saddam hussein a.k.a. the "butcher of baghdad" was a terrible dictator who needed to be removed from his tyrranical and self-serving rule (this is evidenced simply by the golden plated toilet seats in his baghdad palace that my dad saw). whether there were wmds or not, the u.n. was doing nothing to stop his massacring of kurds and shiites. if president bush had committed genocide on an ethnic or religious group of our country, i have no doubt about the uproar that would follow. forget meaningless u.n. sanctions, he would have immediately been taken from power and executed for crimes against humanity.
my basic point in this is, that you should forget why we went there right now. focus on what is before us and what needs to be done. hindsight 20/20.
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US Iraq death toll 'hits 3,000'
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Originally Posted by BlueCat
IT IS WRONG TO SELL THESE WEAPONS. YOU CAN"T BITCH ABOUT MASS GRAVES AND PEOPLE BEING SLAUGHTERED WITHOUT LOOKING AT WHO PROVIDED THE WEAPONS IN ORDER FOR THE KILLINGS TO TAKE PLACE!
sorry to say this, but the chief source of illegal arms comes from the former soviet union. the most recognized AND used small arm is the ak-47. the collapse of the ussr led to widespread proliferation of nuclear weapons, not from sales by the united states.
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US Iraq death toll 'hits 3,000'
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Originally Posted by wrasler
sorry to say this, but the chief source of illegal arms comes from the former soviet union. the most recognized AND used small arm is the ak-47. the collapse of the ussr led to widespread proliferation of nuclear weapons, not from sales by the united states.
I just hate it when people make comments and do not back up what they say!!! sorry but YOU ARE WRONG!
Post your evidence I want to see it. :mad: :mad:
According to the report, "Conventional Arms Transfers to Developing Nations 1994-2001," released on August 8th, the United States has had the largest share of both new contracts and deliveries to the world for at least 8 years in a row. In calendar year 2001, U.S. arms manufacturers made new agreements worth $12.1 billion and delivered $9.7 billion worth of arms, capturing 45% of both markets.
The United States' closest competitor, Russia, came in a distant second with $5.8 billion in new contracts and $3.6 billion in arms deliveries. But Russia is not a real rival for U.S. arms makers. Its main clients are China and Iran, off limits to U.S. firms, and former Soviet bloc states in Asia and Africa that cannot afford expensive U.S. weapons systems. India, on the other hand, may be one place where Russian and American firms go to battle over a large market. In September 2001, the U.S. government dropped a ban on arms sales to both India and Pakistan, permitting transfers even during the height of the crisis between these nuclear-armed states. India is a longtime major Russian client. When making a case to loosen export controls, U.S. weapons makers usually cite intense competition from Western European firms. But this claim is also belied by the CRS figures. New contracts signed by the top four European exporters combined (France, the United Kingdom, Germany, and Italy) only totaled $4.5 billion, and deliveries were only worth $5.1 billion.
http://www.fas.org/asmp/library/arti...dreams_02.html
And if you want to talk NUCLEAR
The Ford administration -- in which Cheney succeeded Rumsfeld as chief of staff and Wolfowitz was responsible for nonproliferation issues at the Arms Control and Disarmament Agency -- continued intense efforts to supply Iran with U.S. nuclear technology until President Jimmy Carter succeeded Ford in 1977.
That history is absent from major Bush administration speeches, public statements and news conferences on Iran.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...2005Mar26.html
In November 1987, as the Reagan administration was still scrambling to contain the Iran-Contra scandal, then-deputy CIA director Robert M. Gates denied that the spy agency had soft-pedaled intelligence about Iranā??s support for terrorism to clear the way for secret U.S. arms shipments to the Islamic regime.
http://www.consortiumnews.com/2006/112306.html
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US Iraq death toll 'hits 3,000'
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Originally Posted by BlueCat
I just hate it when people make comments and do not back up what they say!!! sorry but YOU ARE WRONG!
Post your evidence I want to see it. :mad: :mad:
According to the report, "Conventional Arms Transfers to Developing Nations 1994-2001," released on August 8th, the United States has had the largest share of both new contracts and deliveries to the world for at least 8 years in a row. In calendar year 2001, U.S. arms manufacturers made new agreements worth $12.1 billion and delivered $9.7 billion worth of arms, capturing 45% of both markets.
Dude the Soviet Union fell in 1991, try again.
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US Iraq death toll 'hits 3,000'
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Originally Posted by Lucifuge
Dude the Soviet Union fell in 1991, try again.
Ummm are you backing me up or wrasler...its confusing because you quoted me but said dude you're wrong....
But if ya got my back then *big kiss to ya* :D