no not agreed... lol it's gonna fuck US up, and the ANIMALS up, the earth will renew itsself like it's done already...Quote:
Originally Posted by dutch.lover
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no not agreed... lol it's gonna fuck US up, and the ANIMALS up, the earth will renew itsself like it's done already...Quote:
Originally Posted by dutch.lover
haha good point. the earth is pretty fucking amazing- if only us humans had a better head on our shoulders. for being so "intelligent", it's pretty sad we are allowing ourselves to self-destruct.
You are kind of right.Quote:
Originally Posted by wayoftheleaf
The earth has cycles. The most powerful cycle it has is the Milankovich cycle, it lasts 23 000 years long. Historically this cycle has had the largest impact on climate.
But guess what, the scientists know about this cycle and it shouldnâ??t be changing the climate right now. And our climate is changing 30 times faster than what could be caused by this cycle. Or any other cycle for that matter.
And I do agree that governments (mainly US) keep the population in fear to control them. Funny how the US gov is pretending global warming isnâ??t happening. So how are they using it? By your logic they should be promoting global warming.
You know, like how their promoting â??terrorismâ?
technically we do, it's just the fact that we don't use the entire thing...Quote:
Originally Posted by dutch.lover
Which ice age are you talking about. Each one has different causes. and each one has hundreds of causes.Quote:
Originally Posted by wayoftheleaf
do you have any idea of the positive and negitive feedback loops which control the temp of the planet? Do you know about the positive feedback loope we're about to close by warming the planet 6 degrees.
Global Warming,,,the definition of what humans did...
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Originally Posted by Garden Knowm
This is just like how people watched the "Loose Change" video or any other conspiracy video and then instantly believing its true just because they watched an hour long movie that seemed real. I'm not saying global warming does or doesn't exist because I honestly don't know. Wasn't there a global cooling scare just like the new global warming scare in either the 60's or the 70's.
the world is warming up just like before... call it global warming if you want... after all.. thats what it is...
what are you saying?Quote:
Originally Posted by ganjah
bro... a global warming scare in the 1960's is the same global warming "SCARE" we are having now... the time scale of global warming is not in days or hours or even life times.. and it is NOT a SCARE.... "scare" is analysis which hinders the truth from being SEEN
iloveyou BRO
My dear sir,Quote:
Originally Posted by Platinum Plus
Please send your mailing address to [email protected]
and I will send you a copy of the movie..
iloveyou
I never said i know better than anyone. Dont make accusations based on thin air.Quote:
Originally Posted by harris7
Please, NEVER say i dont understand something, you have no idea what i know and do not know.
I understand it perfectly, but i still dont belive it, or care about it.
Dont EVER say that to me again.
LIP Iâ??m sorry if I offended you, that was not my intension.Quote:
Originally Posted by LIP
You said explicitly that you understand it and donâ??t believe in it. And you are correct I donâ??t know what you know, but I can see what you donâ??t. I know a considerable amount about climate change and I can easily see the extent of your understanding of the issue by your posts.
For example:
I am not trying to insult you but do you have any ideas about:Quote:
Originally Posted by LIP
-the earths cycles?
-What caused the 4 major ice ages?
-Do you know how CO2 effects temperature?
-The rate at which the planet is warming? And how that rate is changing
you might know the answers or might not, it really doesnâ??t matter. The plain truth is that climate science could possibly be the most complex study known to man. To judge your understanding all I need to do is look at your conclusions and arguments.
"We all must realize that science is never 100% sure"
So yea, there's just as goos a chance that ice cream caused global warming. Here's how scientists get their conclusions...
They find some random peice of evidence. They don't know what the truth is so they start to makeup stories that fits. They try these stories out and see if it makes any sense. If it does, then it's science. If it doesn't they throw it away and move on. The 'truth' as we know it is just a story we've made up with the facts at hand. Change or add a fact and the story is changed. Give it a hundred years and we'll see where the story is at. Example case: The earth is flat...With all of the knowledge at hand, this made sense. Find out that you can go around in a circle to get places and the story has been changed.
Don't be so arragont that you beleive what you think is the truth. It's only your understanding of the truth.
we are fucked
there is no hope
we will destroy and suck the life out of poor mother earth
money talks bullshit about the enviorment walks
so sad i do my part but its nowhere near enough
i bet one day fresh water will be more valuable than any gold or diamond
+2degrees is all it takes.
meh, freshwater can be made out of saltwater. Happens all the time. I say bring it on. I also do my bit to be a bit cleaner (recycle and conserve energy), but bottom line is that there's nothing else I can really do about it. I'm not gonna stop you from driving a carboard box to work, but don't give me lip if I drive an suv. Beleive what you want, but don't try and belittle me for not doing as much.
I hope you arenâ??t calling me arrogant. You are correct, but you are also wrong. Science can find truths. Such as global warming, we have observed it happen. It is not speculation it is an observation. But I agree about things based on theories. Climate change, I agree, isnâ??t 100% sure. But it doesnâ??t matter. Rarely in human existence has not being 100% sure changed out actionQuote:
Originally Posted by benagain
If a doctor comes up to you and tells you your heart will fail within a month and you will die unless they operate. He isnâ??t 100% sure. The only way he could be 100% sure is if we waited for you to die, but then it is to late. The same goes for climate change, were very sure its happening and were causing it, but by the time we are 100% sure it will be because it has progressed so far we cannot stop it.
Its called the precautionary principle
So you beleive that global warming is the truth and whole. I'm down with that. You act as though anyone beleiving anything else is insane or ignorant. That I have a problem with.
If you actually feel this way to your fellow man and can't have even the slightest open mind to someone elses opinions, then my freind you are an ass.
Until you can at least attempt to see things form another point of veiw or allow people to see if from theirs, then we will never get along.
Good luck with your long boring journey through life. I'm sorry to say I won't be walking down your road.
we can't stop it anyways... i'm not saying we don't need to do our part to keep the planet moving as it was.... but you radicals, that think we have more more than about 2% control over WHEN it happens (notice i said when, not IF) are really 'barking up the wrong tree' just like if human life existed about the time the sun finally stops burning (research it, it will happen, the only question is when) you think half the world wouldn't try to find a way to keep it going, or otherwise find a way to preserve their own life?Quote:
Originally Posted by harris7
you radicals just need to chill (no pun intended) because, it doesn't matter what we do, eventually it will happen... recycling some plastics/paper, or stop using CFC's in spray cans, or cutting off our gasoline powered cars, is not going to save the planet... as i said in the very begining, the planet will be fine, no matter what we throw at it... there's only one thing that will actually 'harm' the planet, and that's a huge ass asteriod/comet, which, scientists have been watching the path of a particular one (although there are thousands, if not millions out there that pose a threat to 'us') and it will hit us eventually... i don't remember if they have a calculation or not, but it's there, and it follows an orbit, and eventually earth's orbit, and this asteroid/comit will line up...
point of all this is (and the point you, and everyone who thinks we can actually make any thing other than a miniscule impact on it all) we can't change what's going to happen... you're making an extremely feeble attempt at stopping something, when there's absolutely no chance you can... is it that hard for the 'masses' to just realize some day, all life as we know it, will end?
edit: i don't nessicarily believe in what we know as 'global warming' all i believe in is global catastrophe, just as it has proved it's self real in the past, it will again... just had to get that out... i don't put names on 'the end', i don't feel it's simple enough to have a name... but that's my own opinion, maybe thousands of years from now, may be tommorow.. but life as we know it, will cease to exist...
Al Gore for Prez...
Since the industrial revolution we have observed global warming. I dont think youâ??re denying what has been observed... so what is someone who says that didnâ??t happen? Well what do you call someone who either doesnâ??t believe a fact or is too lazy to find it?Quote:
Originally Posted by benagain
insane or ignorant... maybe.
I understand the inherent uncertainty in science. But, I believe that this uncertainty is capitalized by people trying to push pseudoscience because people donâ??t understand this uncertainty and its effects on scientific conclusions
To be completely honest I donâ??t believe there is opinion on this subject. You keep saying I donâ??t attempt to understand others opinions, right? It is because they arenâ??t stating opinions, they are making statements about the nature of reality! Were is the room for opinion? Only one thing is occurring; how can their be opinions on what is happening?
Well all I can say is that I hope your wrong. And, I also accept that the world as we know it will “end” one day and that doesn’t bother me. I also don’t consider myself a “radical” maybe compared to your community though, but not were I’m from.Quote:
Originally Posted by slipknotpsycho
There is no consensus if we have reached the point of no return with global warming. Most authors I’ve read have said no, but their worried. I believe that humans can release just over 200 giga tones of CO2 b4 the point is reached. But that is only one persons estimates. Anyways I really don’t want to debate anything to do with climate change.
Are you from the states? If so, it’s kinda funny that you’ve given up hope for the planet when the US gov. doesn’t recognize global warming is occurring.
Co2 emitting machines are killing our oceans, and eventually the plant. I'm a scholar of marine biology, and it's just amazing how much damage we are doing to our planet. Humans will kill the planet and themselves within the next few centuries if we don't change our ways.Quote:
Originally Posted by benagain
lol something you need to learn, first and foremost.. is almost none of the american people agree with their government (yes i'm from the states) and personally, i don't even pay attention to political affairs anymore.. it's mostly all lies and bullshit anyways.. i was just born here, i wouldn't exactly call myself 'american' and yeah, i hope i'm wrong too... i have a 2 year old son that still has far more years then i do.. and probably when he grows up, he'll have a son that is far to out live him.... but what worries me, is that i know what i'm talking about, and am right.... and so what about authors? personally i think of anyone or anything like i do the government (atleast authors, tv stations and the like that stand to gain MONEY by selling themselves) they say what the people 'want' to hear to gain more money.. i base what i feel, off of many accounts, and many theories, not just one... if the majority of whatever i'm using as 'refrence' feel some way, more than usual, it's true.. also, i live in america, so of course anyone who goes against what they think is 'radical' but honestly, i only say you're a 'radical' because you think you can stop what the world is already (and has been, and always has been, since it works in cycles) or even slow down, is doing...Quote:
Originally Posted by harris7
i personally (not saying everyone else feels this way) it's just better to not get yourself all worked up, stressed out or freaking out, becasue what is going to happen, IS GOING to happen no matter what we do.... just sit back and let fate take it's course... cuz there is literally nothing we can do to stop it... though i'm sure, if we really tried... we might find an alternative... maybe somehow... (or maybe it's just the movies talking) but it'd end up being alot worse and coming alot faster, then what we had instore before... i say just sit back and enjoy the ride... cuz any attempt is futile and waste of energy and precious time, time you could have spent doing something else.... and i garuntee if 'it' came in our life time, you'd be sitting there wondering why, and feeling sorry for yourself, for not spending more time doing what you SHOULD have spending time with...
even if we do quit, we will eventually... haven't hundreds of years of 'science' taught you that, yet? what will happen, WILL happen... we don't change that, nor can we... this planet will eventually kill us, just like it has everything before it, and a new group of species will emerge...Quote:
Originally Posted by coledog855
Anything anyone says anywhere is an opinion. How can you not see that. You're basing all of your knowledge on hearsay of others. Other peoples research, books, findings etc...If your source is wrong, then your wrong. I don't have a problem with people concerned with global warming, but I have a problem with people like you. To be honest there's a fair chance that it could be happening, but I never beleive anything to an absolute. Especially when it concerns managing something that has been around millions of years before people started to shit sitting down. But despite how I feel on the subject and other people feel. You find it your place to come here and not only state your opinion (which is fine by me), but you then start to try and 'convince' people to feel the same way. All you have to do is state your opinion and answer any questions about it. There's no need to act like you discovered global warming and it's your sole duty to be sure every beleives the same way.
A perfect example of how to act in this thread would be garden knowm. I thought he made his feelings about it very clear and even offered to send more info about it.
You act like an ass and try to convince me that your right and I'm wrong (I'm assuming that's what you're doing when you type on your babel). You may think you're well versed on the subject and I won't deny that you prolly know more about current events that I do, but you'll never convince anyone of anything other than you have the personality of a turd.
This is a board with members of a website dedicate to weed. People get high and like to write on what they think about stuff. i know that as for myself, I like to type in what I think, read other posts and laugh and then move on. If someone posts something I don't agree with I may ask some questions or otherwise try to get a better understanding, but never state that I'm right and they're wrong. For someone with such a closely shut mind, I'm amazed you ever discovered weed. Must have been handed to you as a child.
Ok rants over, I'm done arguing about it. If I didn't have a decent buzz and was a little bored, I wouldn't have wrote so much. I really try my best to get along with everyone, but sometimes I get aggravated at the arrogant.
lol all i can say is lol. i haven't bothered to read what you and whoever (please tell me it wasn't me lol.... i'm really not even sure) were going against each other with... just breathe dude! breathe! and yes i agree, when you start trying to force your beliefs on someone it becomes a problem, and with something like this, (of this magnitude) it makes you a fanatical nut... but c'mon.. it's a weed-releated website...... no reason to let people get you all huffy-puffy (ok i've done my part to try and calm the situation, continue :D no really, no really lol as one of the 'elders' i feel it's my responibility to step in and try to calm the situation...)Quote:
Originally Posted by benagain
Yea I'm dun with it myself, but you know how you just get all rilled up and your fingers just take off. My own fault for getting lost in my own ramblings. For some reason I don't even tend to think when I'm typing shit out on here (as my spelling and grammer can prove) so I just type any random though that comes into my head.
And harris7 don't take it personal (if possible), I ususally don't argue on the net and I'm not very good at it at all. I'll gladly concede and admit fault on this one.
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Originally Posted by slipknotpsycho
People really donâ??t understand me on here.
I wasnâ??t insulting you or anything. And I know a lot about America and itâ??s political situation. I literally just think its funny how your position is the polar opposite of our countries.
I do trust some authors. Authors whoâ??s books are endorsed by people I respect, people who have nothing to gain from the endorsement. And everything to loose.
As well Iâ??m going into 3rd year biology, so I understand almost everything these authors talk about, so I can often find out the liars. If you donâ??t trust books, how do you inform yourself?
like i said, i listen to what majority (and i' not talking about a 45% 55% split here.... ) have to offer on the subject, and if applicable, history... history tells us, this has happened, and it's a never ending cycle, that will happen again...
Harris, I am interested in your facts and I plan on looking them up later.
I have no opinion on global warming yet as I have not looked over the evidence.
Let me say this though: if the Earth is warming up faster than it is supposed to, to where it will kill everything, we need to stop it. Sound good? OK great, I'm glad we're in agreement.
With that being said, everyone stop the stupid political bickering, this is a question of science, and if you don't have scientific fact or studies or research or things to back up your claims, you're most likely blowing it out your ass.
So please, let's not devolve into a shouting match, just find your evidence and explain why it supports your point of view. And point out the inconsistencies in others logic. But don't do this crap where you all bicker at each other over motives or calling each other 'radicals' or crap, that doesn't get anyone anywhere and makes everybody angry.
Of course we're going to be killed off anyways, but why should we speed that up by thousands of years if we don't have to?Quote:
Originally Posted by slipknotpsycho
Bob- you make awesome points! Finally someone acknowledges that global warming isn't an issue that you can argue validly on, based on opinions. There is EVIDENCE surrounding this issue, so how come there are so many people speculating about shit and offering their opinions? Do the fricken research people!- knowledge is power anyways...it couldn't hurt.
i'm the only one that used the word radical.... so this is obviously 'agasint me' i have evidence to back up what i say... what about all the times it's happened before.. like i said.. i'm not even saying it will happen in our life times, it could happen thousands of years from now... i'm just saying it will happen..Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob the Awesome
no matter what anyone tells me we won't speed it up or slow it down... it will happen when it's supposed to happen...
I think I love you,Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob the Awesome
slip, The changes we are witnessing are not part of a cycle. Thats why everyone is so excited. AS well the earth is heating up 30 times faster than any time in the past.
had to quote this particular part for what i'm about to say...Quote:
Originally Posted by coledog855
how many generations of people have felt that their generation was the last, how many groups have said we're at our end... people have always predicted the end is around the corner.. just like now, that we're barely learning anything scientificly and being able to 'predict the future' (in retrospect 50 or so years of being able to predict the future weather, as accurately as it may or may not be, still shows my point, we know nothing!) it's all of the sudden, the end of our world coming up.... you can believe what you want, just as i will believe what i want... us humans, no matter how industrialized, and how many cars we have... are not going to harm the earth.......... and for those that are 'god fearing' do you think if 'he' didn't want us to, we would? basicly i'm trying to offer more sound-mind to those who are religious... for the rest.. look at the facts...
does that mean it's not supposed to happen? does that mean really anything? no.. like i've said so many times before in this post... do you think we, people can have any real effect on the earth? we are microscopic in comparison... and even other then that... we are only 'preserving' us.. not the earth.. no matter what we throw at it, the earth will be here long after we are... LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG afterwards, 100's of thousands, if not millions and billions of years..Quote:
Originally Posted by harris7
i just wish all of 'you' would get truthful about it and stop telling us to 'save the earth' we're not saving the earth, we're saving ourselves...
i knew someone was going to say that.. but that's something diffrent... although i guess that sounds about like making excuses... but it's the truth.... my main point of my post is we can't do anything to the earth, we can only disrupt/destroy the habbitat we live in (which happens to be earth) we can't make the earth 'sick', or kill it... all we can do is throw off the cycle that supports OUR life, and that was my point...Quote:
Originally Posted by Billionfold
Watch out for the giant land squids...
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how many generations of people have felt that their generation was the last
Not that many, outside of religious and cult groups that gain attention, I think most generations knew that the human race will go on after they die.
Correct, we cannot predict weather patterns on any sort of short time frame. What we do know is that the earth goes through various stages of weather patterns, and we are not likely, based on climatic history, entering a natural climatic cycle.Quote:
just like now, that we're barely learning anything scientificly and being able to 'predict the future' (in retrospect 50 or so years of being able to predict the future weather, as accurately as it may or may not be, still shows my point, we know nothing!)
We already have harmed the earth. Please, do a little reasearch on oceanography, or just coral bleaching for that matter.Quote:
it's all of the sudden, the end of our world coming up.... you can believe what you want, just as i will believe what i want... us humans, no matter how industrialized, and how many cars we have... are not going to harm the earth..........