i know your not BC, your mentioning of studies done to find a god gene just reminded me of that thought.Quote:
Originally Posted by BlueCat
it might be something entirely different than a god gene, it might be a "blind faith" gene or something
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i know your not BC, your mentioning of studies done to find a god gene just reminded me of that thought.Quote:
Originally Posted by BlueCat
it might be something entirely different than a god gene, it might be a "blind faith" gene or something
You are trying to think of God as an entity but what if it is a place of peace and harmony with in ourselves. Imagine if everyone believed that way we'd have the song John Lennon sang and he'd still be here to sing it :D
i believe (im not entirely sure, mr.D a little help?) that the place within ourselves full of peace and harmony would be the buddhists nirvana....or is that hinduism? idk, ima go wiki it right nowQuote:
Originally Posted by BlueCat
EDIT: yes, i was right
maybe all the christians should throw down their beliefs and pick up buddhism while the athiests adopt this
i dont think buddhism is really a religion, but more of a philosophy
It is buddism and nirvana from what I have read is when you know all there is to know. Very few reach nirvana. The Dalai Lama hasn't even reached it yet. They acheive peace and harmony through meditation and prayer.
No it isn't really a religion though some buddist think of Dalai Lama as god he is a teacher. I love Buddism. My son cooked at a buddist temple in Vancouver before he joined the army.
im simple when it comes to this subject really. i have my own theory and thats what i follow. i do my own thing and live my own life... i dont follow anyone or anything thing such as a 'god'.
I think our spirits will move on to a greater adventure, as i saw someone say earlier in the thread that our life is just a 'test' into what we are going to experiance in our afterlife.
i would LOVE to have there be a god, to go to heaven when you die and be greated by all your family members and be happy forever..
but until then im just gonna live my life day by day. i fully belive in my ways 100% and not a single person is ever going to change the way i feel about it.
Buddhists are great! I Love them...They are more christ like than most Christians, imo. Gentle, Loving, compassionate, and kind; I think they are true beacons to mankind. We could all learn something from the Buddhist philosophy, imo.
Much Love,
~Junk~
have you seen Waking Life?Quote:
Originally Posted by UnitedWeFall
Buddhism is a very secular tradition. Some sects would be considered a region and others a philosophy. I believe that it differs so much because different sects often focus on different parts, others look at it in entiretyQuote:
Originally Posted by MastaChronic
It is interesting
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Originally Posted by UnitedWeFall
Will people have freewill in Heaven? :confused:
Yes I agree we could all learn from the Dalai Lama :)Quote:
Originally Posted by JunkYard
Your right Masta, but the hindu's have a concept of nirvana that is very similar too. Also, the Bon religion which was prominant in Tibet for some 7,000 years and is one of the oldest religions in the world, is based on a man who was said to have attained enlightenment. Unfortunately they didn't have nearly the time the Buddha offered to spread his teachings, so it's hard to say if it's the same type of enlightenment. Probably not, but something similar; however the Tibetan's picked up buddhism so enthusiastically because it was very compatible with the beliefs they already had.Quote:
Originally Posted by MastaChronic
I can't speak about the Hindu form of enlightenment since I'm not especially well versed, but it is unique and perhapse less detailed than the buddhist enlightenment known as "nirvana" (extinctions of self).
The buddhist concept of nirvana is not one that can be fully understood without actaully having attained it. When the Sidhartha attained nirvana and became the Buddha, he attained the extinction of self. This is often misinterpreted as a sort of self-anihilation, a death without leaving life, but that's incorrect. The extinction of self is the extinction of the ego, a mindset where the sense of self is extinguished and one comes into perfect harmony with existence. The mind ceases to separate your body, mind, and the external world as separate entities. (This is why Taoism has often been very compatible and practiced along side buddhism, and buddhist and taoist philosophers often congregated on a special occasion to have several-day-long discussions).
Nirvana does not entail a supernatual omniscient understanding of everything and anything. When one attains nirvana, rather, they reach a point of perfect wisdom. They see the world as it truely is, and understand how to make decisions and guide others in a way that will create perfect harmony between the self and the universe. This can be a bit confusing since it entails extinction of "self", yet there is a "self" that exists. That is, there is an egoless entity that makes up yourself as the newly enlightened being, who no longer exists as a being separate from anything.
I don't think so actually. Some people need to stay with the religion they are engulfed in culturally to have the support of the majority of their peers. Jesus himself was a very wise man and a rolemodel completely worth following by example. It's the extra, often hatefull or abusive nonsense, that gets added into the bible by several authors over hundreds of years that seem to be the problem. These are the parts that some more hate-filled people like to adopt then blow WAY out of proportion, giving it extra attention and exageration, and twist the core message of the bible as an excuse to still call themselves "christian". Though thankfully non of such types of people seem to reside here. The main point I'm trying to make here, one philosophy can't be for everybody, they have to have a mind that is willing to adopt the practices, and above all understand them which many unfortunately fail to do. Buddhism can at times be very confusing to the untrained mind in its complex simplicity.Quote:
EDIT: yes, i was right
maybe all the christians should throw down their beliefs and pick up buddhism while the athiests adopt this
i dont think buddhism is really a religion, but more of a philosophy
And yes, I do agree that it is more a philosophy than a religion. Religion isn't really accurate, but it's a title attached to any philosophy followed by enough people I suppose.
I'm sorry, but I can't agree with this either. There are tons of buddhists who act nothing like the Buddha would want, just like the tons of christians who act nothing like Jesus, and the tons of Muslims who act nothing like the Quran tells them. The Tibetan system eventually became a rather lousy one, where 80% of the population slaved as surfs to support the temple and lifestyle of the 20% buddhists who exploited the wealth of the many to support the few. The problem is not buddhism, islam, christianity, any of it. The problem is that people spend more time obsessing over the mythology attached to every religious leader (including buddhism, as the Hindu's attached a whole bunch of extra mythology to Buddha's life, that Buddha himself never actually claimed or discussed). IMHO, people need to stop obsessing over the words of scholors and mythological beings, and more on the way their religious/philisophical leader would have lived himself.Quote:
Buddhists are great! I Love them...They are more christ like than most Christians, imo. Gentle, Loving, compassionate, and kind; I think they are true beacons to mankind. We could all learn something from the Buddhist philosophy, imo.
i am god
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hey Mr.devious thank you so much for your input...I agree with a lot of what you have said. Masta was right to a degree about Nirvana it is suppose to be within us but it is rarely if ever reached in Buddism. According to the Dalai Lama who I have had the joy of hearing speak it IS total enlightenment and the Dalai Lama the 14th himself has said he has never reached it....
Buddha himself stated I am not a god. Please do not worship me.
I think we can learn from all these religions. Have you read Understanding Suffering? It is the writings of several famous religious leaders. I was amaze by the peace and understanding it promotes. The teaching of Jesus and Christianity in its pure form is one of the most beautiful teachings that exist. It is just rarely if ever followed in its pure form. How many times have you heard what would Jesus do? I have only met a very small group that actually follow Christ. The (CPTers Christian Peace Keeping Team is one group I admire for their courage in following the teachings of the New Testament.
The Koran also has many peaceful teachings. A lot of the Koran has been taken out of context and used as propaganda to promote this war. Religion has been a hobby of mine for a while. Man has contaminated these religious teachings. There will always be those that distort the teachings for their own benefit. I think if a person reads these texts they will be a better person because of them. I don't feel you can go to a church to learn it. I have always had a problem with organized religions and preachers.
I feel religion has a purpose in society and for many that are suffering it is the only way they can tolerate their situation it is for this reason I respect religion. I wish everyone would read these texts and make up their own mind but sadly I don't see that ever happening.
Then end the war in Iraq and Afganistan PLEASE!Quote:
Originally Posted by JeenYuss
If there was a God there would be no mysteries.
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Originally Posted by Reefer Rogue
Wow, who could argue with that logic? <Insert sarcasm icon here> Seriously, why would you think that? Life is mystery and that my friend is what makes it so intriging...Same with God.
~Junk~
Relying on the existence of God isn't philisophically sound as it masquerades as an explantion when really it explains nothing. If we could rely on the existence of god to prove every theory, like idealism, then there would be no mysteries.
I see what you're saying, [I mis understood] but would you want, or even like a life w/o mystery? I think it would be kinda dull . . .
~Junk~
Heck, we could learn from him, Ghandi, Jesus, [John Lennon] and a host of other beacons, so why don't we? Perhaps we are too enveloped in our own philosophies to gain anything from them . . .Quote:
Originally Posted by BlueCat
I read somwhere that it's best to seek first to understand, then to be understood. Many of us [me included] are so busy trying to push our own views that we fail to hear what others are even saying. Maybe we should just sit back and listen sometimes...
Much Love BlueCat,
~Junk~
It's all good, i didn't explain myself learly the first time.Quote:
Originally Posted by JunkYard
I like mystery sometimes, then again i like explanations. These answers are never easy are they? :rasta:
Nope
:smokin:
Words of wisdom...absolutely.:clap:Quote:
Originally Posted by JunkYard
Beaming the love right back,
Cat
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i am god
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disprove it! ;):pQuote:
Originally Posted by UnitedWeFall
I'm catholic and I go to a catholic high school and have religion class everyday, and I tell my teacher that I lose faith everytime I go to his class because the shit he teaches is ridiculous...and I used to be semi religious too. But I do believe there is a God he just is leaving it up to us to figure shit out...I don't know it's too confusing.
Well to me there has to be a God or something greater than we are. There has to be some kind of intelligence underlying all natural functions. Look at the human body, in the electron transport chain how is the oxygen molecule in the right place at the right time to accept its electrons, if this doesn't happen your entire life you will sufficate from the inside. There is intelligence there. You see to me we all blame God for all our shortcomings and our wrongs, but the whole time we have forgotten about the anti-god, some call him satan,naatas,beelzebuub,iblyis. One of satans greatest feat is deceiving to world to make you think he doesn't exist.
Some people need proof to believe in something greater than them. Many a year ago people believed that the world was flat when it had been round or becoming round for 9 billion years. Some people would not believe in microorganism if not for the microscope. People just need to think. There is no instrument or machine to measure the presence of this intelligence, but it is there. See you on the other side.:rastasmoke:
Ok so where IS satan? AND don't tell me the center of the earth cause I ain't buying...Tell me he is in the White House I might listen :D
ok I'm extremely high here so my thoughts won't be all together, but...
The problem atheists have here is the methodology behind the assumptions. Besides the fact that there are advanced evolutionary explanations for all that, even assuming evolution never occured..... this whole intelligence-theory doesn't actually have anything to back it up. There could be any number of theories as to why there's such complexity in life, any number of explanations that science can't yet explain, countless mechanisms within the very fabric of reality, the workings throughout this universe we barely understand. saying there is an intelligent designer is simply an easy answer, the only one we can comprehend at the moment and so therefor interpreted as "proof". But simply because it's the only answer many people can think of, isn't proof, it's just assumption that the hypothesis is correct.Quote:
Originally Posted by muordeeb
Suppose that consciousness is actually the purest form for the fabric of certain dimensions of reality. Suppose the fabric of this dimensional plane, being related to consciousness, has a sort of "conscious" understanding of the universe, but without the ego which creates a sense of "self" that makes us individuals. This fabric then replicates itself, through unknown processes, by creating a complexity through manipulating matter at the quantum level, which would lead to the result of us, human beings, being the most advanced form of consciousness and therefor on the highest-of-yet-achieved self-replication of this dimension which affects all reality.
now that was a pretty wild theory, but it's a logically plausible explanation in relation to acceptable methodology, especially since we can't yet understand all the mechanisms at work and how they work in themselves. But this is not simply accepted as the answer, because I would now need to prove it. The point is, we can imagine infinite explanations for the complexity of life, "intelligence" being the easiest one doesn't make it right, anymore than anything else I or you or anybody can conjure up.
God, quite simply, is man's primitive way of explaning things when the real processes are too complex for us to yet understand. It's a scapegoat for real exploration, one that's been around as long as human history and has undeniably stunted scientific and even philisophical growth by indoctrinating us with the easy answer.
I've heard that many times, but this is another example of how people can be convinced using the premise as the conclusion. By making a statement that our non-belief in satan is satan's greatest trick, you already work under the assumption that satan exists to assume that it's correct that satan's apparent non-existence is the result of his deception.Quote:
You see to me we all blame God for all our shortcomings and our wrongs, but the whole time we have forgotten about the anti-god, some call him satan,naatas,beelzebuub,iblyis. One of satans greatest feat is deceiving to world to make you think he doesn't exist.
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Some people need proof to believe in something greater than them. Many a year ago people believed that the world was flat when it had been round or becoming round for 9 billion years. Some people would not believe in microorganism if not for the microscope. People just need to think. There is no instrument or machine to measure the presence of this intelligence, but it is there. See you on the other side.:rastasmoke:
Your right, people do need to think. And I honestly believe that indoctrinating the masses to accept the commonly held belief because it's the only currently available answer, is what stunts our ability to think and progress in our understanding. People rightly didn't think there were micro-organisms, because there was no available evidence to make such a conclusion, pointing more toward ignorance of knoweldge than denial of a belief. But people also don't believe that there's an invisible flying spegetti monster roaming space, for the simple reason that there's still no logical reason to believe that the spagetti monster's out there. There are infinite things we did and didn't believe, and as time progresses we learn to separate the real from the non-real as we discover things like the micro-organisms. Hence, you can't simply say that god's existence is plausible simply because we're always discovering new knowledge, otherwise everything is equally plausible that we don't yet have proof for the existence of.
Humanity, if it progresses much further in thought, will innevitably have to realize that the complexity of existence doesn't have nice easy answers that we're able to comprehend at the time being. God needs real evidence to support his existence, not just assumption because we can't currently come up with a better answer; history has had COUNTLESS easy-answers for things we couldn't currently explain, like Thor hammering his anvil to explain thunder, or bad chi's to explain all disease, or pinholes in the sky at night giving us a tiny glimpse into heaven (this was a popular explanation for stars). One day, I hope more than hope, humanity will find the answers by exploration of how we can manipulate this existence, rather than just easy and primitive answers that distract us from the real answers.
People are going to believe what they are going to believe. Man only wants to believe in his abilities and nothing greater. I don't need proof to realize I am just a dirty bag of tissue and water and something greater than I created us. Man at this point in time can clone anything, and I'm sure that in another 10,000 years man will be able to create man from dirt just like the creator did, and we only use 7-10% of our white matter. Man right now is a creator. You see to me we are God but we haven't evolved enough yet to use more of a % of our brain.
It's not as complicated as you are making it out to be. What is reality and when have you experienced another dimension of reality?
It's all babble. Believe me the Earth isn't flat.
See you on th other side.:rastasmoke:
so basically what your saying is that your just going to completely ignore mr.d's analogies and go on assuming (without any evidence) that something created you?Quote:
Originally Posted by muordeeb
let me ask you this: who created god? who created the creator of god? who created that creator?
something intelligent cant just spring up out of nowhere, thats why there can be no god.(credits to some book that i dont remember the title of)
So masterchronic I figure you believe in evolution which is fine because you can't have creationism without evolution. I didn't say God created reality. God live inside this reality which is our entire universe which I call the All. God is an ancient being that figured out how to prolong its existence, just like man is trying to do these days. You say something just can't spring, well that's just what happened 14 billion yrs ago with the big bang. Did the big bang just all of a sudden happen or was there a manipulation? Okay that enough spirituality for me.
Be diligent in your search for knowledge.:rastasmoke:
whos to say the big bang happened? it is just a theory.Quote:
Originally Posted by muordeeb
anyway, you go on assuming whatever it is that you would like to.
to me, how things were created has no real relevance to anything at all.
muordeeb never actually explained how or why he believes intelligence is behind our creation of course, he just simply "knows". That's the great thing about faith, you don't have to have a reason for anything, you can just pick an answer and declare it truth because it seems to fit. Heaven forbid the gastly concept of unknown forces other than intelligence being at play. If you refuse to believe anything else, that makes it true.
we use 100% of our brain. old wives tails say 50% were did you get 10? Same place you got your other beliefs?Quote:
Originally Posted by muordeeb
Out of the 1 billion brain cell that we have, action potentials can only be detected in 7-10% of those 1 billions or so cells. Where did you get 100% from. Do some research.
Well them be some big words, action potential. You state this as if it is common fact, I doubt it is.
I am very familiar with this topic as I am majoring in psychology.
I would ask you to cite your source, so I can read it.
I know that 50%+ of your brain is called association areas which have no specific function. This fact was misinterpreted by the media and thus the myth of humans only using 50% was born. I’ve never heard of this 7-10%. I’ve had teachers explicitly say we use ~100%, as well it doesn’t make much sense. Why would evolution select an organism which creates a large organ and doesn’t use most of it. Hmm fishy
as well you should check your research regarding to white matter. Your brain is only made of grey matter (unmyelinated neurons). your spinal cord on the other hand is made of both white and grey.
Sorry the last comment is wrong. The entire brain does have white matter, but the cortex (the area of cognitive functioning) is exclusively grey matter.
Heres a little wikipedia for you:
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Although folklore would have it that about 90% of the human brain is dormant, this has proven scientifically unfounded; researchers until the mid 1990s focused on only a small portion of the brain in efforts to understand its computational capacity."
Nice you are in pysch, good luck in you quest, but where I'm from people call me Doc. Man I haven't studied the brain since I graduated, but there are some thing I retained in my long term memory. Just because you have never heard of percentage of brain usage doesn't mean it isn't true. See you do believe in god. Yourself. You're confused , the brain and spinal cord both are made of grey and white matter. The grey matter is the outer cortex which is unmyelinated and under the cortex is the white matter which is all mylelinated nerve tissue. And this is from my long term memory. I have no reason to cite my source, I already know, not believe, know that I'm correct.
If you want to know that's up to you.
heres a question for you....Quote:
Originally Posted by muordeeb
why dont you blow me and i'll think over these facts and figures while your busy.
j/k lol
Man I don't lick cunt. Stop haten:rastasmoke: