Ok I'm gonna put this simple. Stop attacking me for my opinion. If you don't like my opinion, then fuck you. Plain and simple. To the next person that flames me, just read this so I can save my time from replying to your dumb ass post.
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Ok I'm gonna put this simple. Stop attacking me for my opinion. If you don't like my opinion, then fuck you. Plain and simple. To the next person that flames me, just read this so I can save my time from replying to your dumb ass post.
dude... if you read one of orange mans posts, he said "small dicks with big guns" or some bull shit along those lines...Quote:
Originally Posted by freezland24
Ahhh, see, this is why there are animal psychologists!
Cherry...I saw your post in the NY section...do you have an AIM SN?
I do! CheerryCherry.
Are you on?
This threads started to confuse me. And now im hungry.
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Originally Posted by friendowl
So its ok to pay someone to slaughter a cow that's whole purpose since birth was to be killed and eaten but not ok to do it yourself for good meat (If you really want to call eating insignificant). Even with a rifle deer hunting can be very challenging and you earn respect for the animal...fact is I'm higher on the food chain and that's that. Id rather eat fresh meat with no preservatives. Hunting is also exciting and you do get a rush when you get a kill....just like people have for many many years. There is no need to be childish...I thought this was a discussion not a little kids name calling game. State your opinions and facts to back them up. Don't revert to a 12 year old.
cyclonite~ anyways, back to hunting. tell me about your hunting experiences, ie where do you go, what for, what do you use? tell me a hunting story.
Remington 870 28" barrel full choke. I can hit a bird at 50 yards with that mother.
Ohio cornfields, pheasant. That is basically the only thing I have ever hunted for. Oh and rabbit once.
That's what my uncle hunts for, pheasants.
If you eat meat I personally think you should be capable of killing an animal with your own hands.
I know a vegetarian that would love to eat Bacon or a nice Pork Butt,,,but she grew up on a farm and cant get the image of her father killing her pet Duck out of her head... She eats hotdogs without the dog she want meat so bad...
Yeah I have to agree with you.Quote:
Originally Posted by NextLineIsMine
Can you kill a clam?
Can you kill a fish?
Can you kill a chicken?
Can you kill a steer?
Can you kill a cute little calf?
Think about it.... where in the line do you say, no, I can't kill that creature. Therefore I won't eat it.
Personally I eat meat and I can kill it myself. I enjoy fishing- I am generally a catch-and-release type person but I feel more secure knowing that I have the skill to catch my own meat. And if I hook a fish 'dirty' it's coming home for dinner. I bet you have NO idea how bad white sucker tastes. But, I hooked one through the gills and that was that.
I have a major issue with livestock farming for ecological reasons as well as because of the treatment of the cattle, the endless antibiotic injections just to keep them alive in such a crowded and filthy environment, and the simple fact that the amount of land that it takes to grow the feed to make a pound of beef flesh would be better used to grow simple food crops for humans... even protein crops like soybeans!
Therefore I also choose to consume very little beef.
I don't believe that hunting solely for the thrill of it, or the sport of it, makes sense morally; I do however understand the SATISFACTION of the kill- that you have brought down a wily critter that you are now going to feast on for weeks.
Beyond the whole hunting right or wrong argument... I think we as a culture are getting spoiled into the feeling that eating meat at every meal is normal; indeed, our right as the top of the food chain. But the meat we eat is less and less healthy with modern farming methods and when you look at cultures for whom meat is a luxury item to be used more as an ingredient rather than the main course, and other protein sources like cheese, soy, dairy, nuts, and other legumes are the norm- look at the health problems or lack thereof in those cultures. I'm thinking of Indian food especially... IMO the world's most spectacular cuisine for variety and complexity... and look how much of it is vegetarian, and how healthy the Indians are!
I guess this is sort of off the hunting subject but it relates to how I feel about hunting. I believe that you should be close to your food source. It's hard to tell that to someone who was raised in an urban area- Orangeman, I have respect for you and I'm not going to flame you for the hunting thing because honestly it's hard to form an unbiased opinion about something that you aren't around all the time.
To me this argument is more about where we get our food than how we get it.
Okay, now flame away :D
Hunting is a natural human activity, has been for tens of thousands of years. Nothing wrong with it. Only the tools we use have changed.
i hunt small game with my ruger .22 (10/22 rifle)
the only thing ive ever killed with a gun would be Turkeys(every thanksgiving), rabbits (yes ive eaten rabbit in stew), and one time i killed a chicken that was running wild in our suburban neighborhood messing with cats and what not, so i shot him once while he was sitting on my fence post, and we cooked him too! hardest parts was sneaking into my neighbors yard and retreiving the bird, since he fell from the fence.
everything ive ever shot me and my family has eaten, except for when i was younger and killed a raccoon. but for a good reason, 1. when i killed him, he was fleeing from my large garbage can witch he and his freinds had just knocked over, garbage everywhere. 2. he killed on of my neighbors rabbits newborn babies, and 3. he fights with my cat, and other stray cats as well.
but one thing that i do think is stupid, is my neighbors 12 year old son shooting birds and squirrlles with his bb gun and his .22 BAR. because he doesnt eat them, they just sit and rot, that is wrong.
yea... i think hunting is fine... is basicaly all i have to say... as long as its for food... and i had my mom read over the replys i posted... and she said that i had made a very good point... so i feel proud of my self...
the coon is understandable... the neabhors kid killing random birds and squirlles and leaving them to rot... is fucked up... i mean, you can eat a fucking squirrle... i dont know what kind of birds he is shooting... so i dont know if you can eat them...Quote:
Originally Posted by Cooler Then Jesus
i hunt pop cans and watermellons lol... and the occaisonal frisbees
i used to seriously fuck up some pop cans back in the day when all i was packin was a daisy bb gun. my dad wouldnt let me shoot birds and such, i would shoot pidgeons out of the barn though, they would shit all over the hay.
'if it flies it dies, if its brown its down!'
I don't think hunting is necessary.
I was in GA not too long ago deer hunting, I guess there was a drought so the deer were not in their normal pattern. After having no luck for a few days in a blind which was boring anyways I went tracking. So I see tons of track about 10am and I lie down on the forest floor on my back with my rifle on my chest. I hear dry leaves cracking and slowly look over to my left. There was a doe about 10ft from me....my heart starts to pump harder. My rifle was pointing right since I shoot left. The doe looked right at me and kept on walking...so as soon as her head went behind a tree I take my rifle off safe, well she heard that and perked up and when I swung my rifle around she was running like no tomorrow. I took a couple shots but it was so close and fast I didn't have time to aim. Anyways the doe got away that day but she almost stepped on me. Its a decent story. Oh and I had a .243 that day.Quote:
Originally Posted by higher4hockey
I like to hunt...hunting's good, so is food. I might even cook a couple deer roasts for Christmas dinner, lol!
Remington .270 semi auto (perfection)
I didn't hunt this year; I was given two back strips and two hind quarters, and didn't have room in freezer for more. BUT, next year Bambi better watch his A.S.S. :D ;)
well, fellas, i am severly intoxicated. i want to share with ya'll my feelings on this evening because despite our differences i feel that we all share........something..............my feelings on this evening : girls are HORSESHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
(junkyard~ 30-06 is the way to go~)
I like 7mm better than 30-06, the .243 is nice because the kick is pretty small and accuracy is good.
30-06 is a gun i will not use one a deer... maybe and elk, i would use it... but a moose i would use a 30-06.... see i want to use the smallest fire arm(modern) to take out the animal i want to take out and let it be human, fair chace and legal...
the only 7mm i have ever shot, i will never shoot agin, because, my grandpa said i could have it for my first hunting trip, so that alone would make me be sad even after i had a deer in the back of the pick up, but, my uncle stole it, so ill most likely never see it agin... and at one point and time, i had to put down my white golden labadore, chaos, and my uncle said he would shoot him for me, but i wanted to go up there to know were chaos was going to be at while he slept... and my uncle, apperently dosent know how to kill... cause he shot once and all i heard while the dumb ass reloaded was whimpering and welping, and then the click of the bolt sliding back into place, and then the click of the trigure fallowed very fastly by the sound of the explosin the gun powder makes. falowed by the cuss words what the fuck... falowed by my dog whimpering some more, at that point i couldnt here the dumb ass try to kill my dog agin, i walked up to him grabed the rifle, put 3 or 4 shells in it, walked over to my dog, petted him a few times, and put the rifle to his heart, pulled the trigure, i didnt hear the bang of even the little clicking noise that a gun makes when its dry fired or when its bullet is a dud, so i opean the bolt, the shell pops out, i and i close the bolt, pull the trigure, same thing happens agin, and once more agin, until i have no more bullets in the rifle, and then i relise that thers a pile of empty 7mm rifle shells laying around my feat, and that my dog no longer even twithches, and i relised that while i was killing my dog, after hearing my uncle try to shoot, i had just tuned the whole world out, becase i couldnt stand to hear chaos, or anyother animal in pain from a person who dosent know the kill shoots...
there are 3 bad memories for me on the hands of the 7mm that was sapost to be mine..
hey you guys, rember its all personal oppinions on what guns to use to hunt....i know some people that will use a .22 to unt deer, and will take it out in basicaly the same way as some one who uses a bow.... then there are the ones that use a 30-06, that have to pack around the guns that seam to weigh in at about 50 pounds.... must be preaty stong guys, but, i like the part in hunting were the games you play are fair, and still human, like between a .243 and .270(maybe just for fucks sake a 30-30 cause in the older days, thats what they used) for deer, for elk and moose and bear, something bigger, like a .300, or a 30-06 for small game, ill take my pellet gun that uses the 12 grams co2 tanks.. or a .22
c02 is too unpredictable, i used to have a HPA .22 air rifle, it was nice, but i eventually but a ruger 10/22 with REAL .22 bullets.
mehh... like i said, its all personal oppinions on what guns to use... i mean, i can get my hands on any gun ill ever need want or see...(my uncle runs a pawn shop and has a licence to sell automatic rifle and hand guns) and has a few sitting in the back rooom because he cant find anyone with permit to buy them....Quote:
Originally Posted by Cooler Then Jesus
but you can take out more squirles with a co2 pellet gun cause the other squirels cant hear it... but a squirrlle is about all the pellet gun gets used for i tired shooting a rabbit with one, and i had a hell of a time trying to pick up the .22 hand gun out of my belt to actualy kill it.. cause the pellet gun just made it blead and run... but i got lucky, and pulled the hand gun out just barely in time to take a shot and made it....
cooler than jesus~ is it legal to hunt with semi-autos where you're from. here in pa, you can use a semi-auto shotgun, but not a rifle.
the guns i use are ~ for deer a 30.-.06, i like the 30-06 because its such a versatile gun. my uncle uses a .270 and we argue about it every year. i like the knock down power of a 30-06. the last deer i shot was about 250 yards away, hit him in the heart, he took one step and fell over dead.
for small game i like a 20 gauge better than a twelve, i use three inch nitro mags for birds, and 2 3/4 inch for squirrels. i like the twenty because it doesnt do as much damage to a critter as a 12
and i use on occasion a remington fieldmaster .22 for squirrels, which makes it a lot more challenging. i dont take it out very often though, it seems every time i go out for squirrels with a .22 i run into grouse.
by the way ~ alcohol is wicked dangerous.
That makes so much sense! Haha you took what I was thinking and worded it perfectly. I only eat fish and sometimes chicken for that reason, I couldn't possibly bring myself to kill a cow. But I really don't see why people have to argue so much about hunting. It's a much more humane way of dying thatn the way animals are killed commercially. We should all hunt whatever animals we want to eat so the poor little things wouldn't have to be murdered so brutally.Quote:
Originally Posted by stinkyattic
I think all hunters should be able to kill they're target in one shot, without causing pain.
Im an RAF marksman [from when i was in the air cadets, on a L98 A1 assault rifle]
Here in Idaho where I live, hunting is almost like a religion, if not a necessity.I am more of an occasional hunter. I like fishn a whole lot better though.
yep in idaho, hunting is a religon, just like in the town i grew up in(darrington wa) just about every one hunts
somehow i knew this thread was gonna fling a bunch of shit directly into the fan... :rolleyes: if you're hunting just to shoot something, or to put it's head up on a wall, or to take a pic by the dead animal, it's barbaric to say the least, killing for fun, just to me doesn't seem right.
however, if you're actually using what you kill, to the best of your ability (by that i mean not shooting a buck down just to say get some deer ribs or some shit...) then it's ok by me... people have done it for thousands and thousands of years, i really don't think we were meant to scavenge dead animals for meat, or stand by waiting for it to fall over on it's own...
slipknotpsycho ~ i hunt for both of those reasons....i love the meat, but then again, if i shoot a ten point buck, you can bet his ass is going on the wall!
partyguy420 ~ the first day of buck season is bigger than christmas. i shit you not, buck season brings in so much more money to this area than christmas ever could hope to! the guy that owns the local sporting goods store told me once that he makes more money in the saturday and sunday before opening monday than he does all year combined.
yea... thats preaty much the same here... i think to day im gonna go to the sauk river trading post(our sporting good store) and ask him if those satistics are true for his store...Quote:
Originally Posted by higher4hockey
and there are much better things to be done with the antlers of a deer, then to hang them on the wall... like use them to make a knife handle....but im preaty sure if i shoot a 10pt i would hang him on the wall my-self...
yeah, but see you're eating the meat as well, i was just referring to those that have no intention of even eating the animal and are just killing it to make it a trophy.Quote:
Originally Posted by higher4hockey
Good thing you don't hunt, deer are also brown, you may be "mistaken" as one.Quote:
Originally Posted by orangeman
If you don't like hunting then don't do it. Who the hell made you God to judge others?
wow dude, did you have to take a simple fucking thread such as one based on hunting and turn it into a racial contest? seriously.... shit, it's probably dickheads like you that made ME get fucked with in school.... racists are pigs.Quote:
Originally Posted by bavet