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You want to know how I think we could end this all? A large gathering of religious leader from all religions and nationalities to ask them to stop. They take religion like most Americans take football on Sundays. Your NOT gonna stop a holy war with guns and bombs. But a very last resort to use warfare.
Maybe if the whole world were tree hugging, pot smoking hippies we would all be too stoned to fight.
we stopped japan.........
I have 2 japanese cars in my drive way..... War makes Peace. (when you take the gloves off, and quit policing everybody...huh)?
when you fight a P.C.....war you cant win... the left wing media weakens our resolve to win. Mine as well be working for Al quida in my book.
Or the NVA in walters case.......the NVA in janes case...
I see the point on everyone needs to smoke some weed......:)
Yes, and that's a good thing. Resolve to win wars we should never have fought, no matter the cost, is not strength, it's stupidity. Stupidity is not a virtue, though I can understand why you wish it was.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bong30
This Vasko Kohlmayer is one twisted fuck, isn't he? I guess you can take the boy out of the fascism, but you can't take the fascist out of the boy. Let's revoke his greencard and trade him for a good, honest hard-working Mexican who understands the 'Stormtrooper' shit isn't what makes our country great.
Howdy Hamlet,Quote:
Originally Posted by Hamlet
Mr. Kohlmayer and the honest,hard-working Mexican,are perfect examples of who can be an American and whom can be an asset to America,because of their knowledge and experience,of living in oppressive countries..they git it now-that everyone deserves to be free..and that we must not rest-until everyone is free to exercise their free will,bestowed upon them,by God.
When you stand before God,in Judgement..and you will-how will you justify 'it's not our business' to free others from tryanny ? That we should just be content with our own,hard fought for Freedom,and look the other way-even though others suffer terribly at the hands of brutal dictators ?
How strong will you let Evil grow-before you summon the courage to confront it ? Why would you want to imperil the Free World,by saying 'it ain't our business' to stop the evil plans of evil men ?
BTW,if this ain't yer position,I apologize,I read all of the replies to this thread,and I picked up the 'it ain't our business' from one of the replies.
Have a good one ...
Torog, Torog, Torog, you're a good man but we've got to work on you. I know, I know...your 12 step program told ya you needed God, so you did the logical thing and went down to the Church you grew up in. Unfortunately, that church has changed, and pulled a Major con-job on you. They told you God was a Republican and this 'right wing' agenda is the way to think about things because that's the way God thinks. Well, here's a new flash! Jesus was a radical, hippy liberal!...lol.
Now, read what you just posted, and read this shit you posted from Vasko Kohlmayer earlier.Quote:
When you stand before God,in Judgement..and you will-how will you justify 'it's not our business' to free others from tryanny ? That we should just be content with our own,hard fought for Freedom,and look the other way-even though others suffer terribly at the hands of brutal dictators ?
Don't you see the conflict of interests in what he wrote and what you wrote there? Who's 'they' and who's 'our'? Because I guarantee you 'our' ain't talking about us!Quote:
They have tried to prevent us from listening on terrorists' phone calls
They have sought to stop us from properly interrogating captured terrorists
They have tried to stop us from monitoring terrorists' financial transactions
They have revealed the existence of secret national security programs
They have opposed vital components of the Patriot Act
They have sought to confer unmerited legal rights on terrorists
They have opposed profiling to identify the terrorists in our midst
They have impugned and demeaned our military
They have insinuated that the president is a war criminal
They have forced the resignation of a committed defense secretary
They have repeatedly tried to de-legitimize our war effort
They want to quit the battlefield in the midst of war.
I'm not giving up on you yet Torog. You're one of the few worth saving... ;)
I once herd....Any job worth doing is worth doing right......Quote:
Originally Posted by andruejaysin
so once we VOTED to go into Iraq....we need to finish the job.
Witch is set up a democracy in the middle of Irans Shite...cresent.
ring ring school.....
Shiite Crescent
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The "Shia Crescent"; numbers show percentage of Shia population. Note that most Shiites in Iraq actually live in the South, not the North of the country.The Shiite Crescent (or Shia Crescent) is a recent geo-political term used to describe a region of the Middle East where the majority population is Shi'a, or where there is a strong Shi'a minority in the population. It has been used to describe the potential for cooperation among these areas in Middle Eastern politics. The corresponding term is especially common in German, where it is known as Schiitischer Halbmond ("Shiite halfmoon").
The only actual nations where Shiite Muslims form a dominant majority are Azerbaijan and Iran. The shape of these two countries put together does not particularly resemble either a crescent moon or a half moon. However, by including the strong Shia majorities in Bahrain, Southern Iraq, and Lebanon, some analysts have attempted to draw an artificial, vaguely crescent-shaped swath across this region (see map).
See the hate freedom of religon....they can stand Infidels.
Im sure you live your life not finishing shit you start, but some peole dont live like that.
I hope you have learned that Iran is trying to establish the Shiite cresent and pull as much power as they can.
to kill the Jews..... you get it soon.
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Originally Posted by Torog
Without evil, good can not exist. It's natures way of implementing checks and balance. If you only had goodness how quickly it could become corrupt and pull a 180. The happenings in the middle east should be an eye opener as to the complete separation of church and state.
That's the problem, it wasn't a job worth doing. A democracy anywhere in the middle east will be an enemy to the US. People who hate us will elect governments hostile to us. Of course iran wants to dominate the region, the problem is that the iraqi shiites want that, too. And we have handed them the opportunity. This shia theocracy will also include kuwait and the saudi oilfields, hope you have a bicycle, gas is gonna get pricey. As for israel, we learned a thousand years ago crusader kingdoms were a bad idea.
They are the crusaders (jihadist...) we have lerned you cant convert by the sowrd.
They live in the dark ages, and need to be blown into the 2000s.
Blow them then, if that's what you want. No one will ever know.
Yeah we could use thisQuote:
Originally Posted by andruejaysin
Threads like this one amaze me when I read them on a forum called cannabis.com. I would think that most people who are registered users of this forum realize how the much the system lies and distorts the truth to keep cannabis illegal, yet so many people seem to ignore that the military-industrial complex lies about many, many things. How can so many not see right through the out and out lies and propaganda is amazing. Many of you must be smoking some really different kind of stuff.
Read this speech by President Dwight Eisenhower :
Public Papers of the Presidents, Dwight D. Eisenhower, 1960, p. 1035- 1040
My fellow Americans:
Three days from now, after half a century in the service of our country, I shall lay down the responsibilities of office as, in traditional and solemn ceremony, the authority of the Presidency is vested in my successor.
This evening I come to you with a message of leave-taking and farewell, and to share a few final thoughts with you, my countrymen.
Like every other citizen, I wish the new President, and all who will labor with him, Godspeed. I pray that the coming years will be blessed with peace and prosperity for all.
Our people expect their President and the Congress to find essential agreement on issues of great moment, the wise resolution of which will better shape the future of the Nation.
My own relations with the Congress, which began on a remote and tenuous basis when, long ago, a member of the Senate appointed me to West Point, have since ranged to the intimate during the war and immediate post-war period, and, finally, to the mutually interdependent during these past eight years.
In this final relationship, the Congress and the Administration have, on most vital issues, cooperated well, to serve the national good rather than mere partisanship, and so have assured that the business of the Nation should go forward. So, my official relationship with the Congress ends in a feeling, on my part, of gratitude that we have been able to do so much together.
II.
We now stand ten years past the midpoint of a century that has witnessed four major wars among great nations. Three of these involved our own country. Despite these holocausts America is today the strongest, the most influential and most productive nation in the world. Understandably proud of this pre-eminence, we yet realize that America's leadership and prestige depend, not merely upon our unmatched material progress, riches and military strength, but on how we use our power in the interests of world peace and human betterment.
III.
Throughout America's adventure in free government, our basic purposes have been to keep the peace; to foster progress in human achievement, and to enhance liberty, dignity and integrity among people and among nations. To strive for less would be unworthy of a free and religious people. Any failure traceable to arrogance, or our lack of comprehension or readiness to sacrifice would inflict upon us grievous hurt both at home and abroad.
Progress toward these noble goals is persistently threatened by the conflict now engulfing the world. It commands our whole attention, absorbs our very beings. We face a hostile ideology -- global in scope, atheistic in character, ruthless in purpose, and insidious in method. Unhappily the danger is poses promises to be of indefinite duration. To meet it successfully, there is called for, not so much the emotional and transitory sacrifices of crisis, but rather those which enable us to carry forward steadily, surely, and without complaint the burdens of a prolonged and complex struggle -- with liberty the stake. Only thus shall we remain, despite every provocation, on our charted course toward permanent peace and human betterment.
Crises there will continue to be. In meeting them, whether foreign or domestic, great or small, there is a recurring temptation to feel that some spectacular and costly action could become the miraculous solution to all current difficulties. A huge increase in newer elements of our defense; development of unrealistic programs to cure every ill in agriculture; a dramatic expansion in basic and applied research -- these and many other possibilities, each possibly promising in itself, may be suggested as the only way to the road we wish to travel.
But each proposal must be weighed in the light of a broader consideration: the need to maintain balance in and among national programs -- balance between the private and the public economy, balance between cost and hoped for advantage -- balance between the clearly necessary and the comfortably desirable; balance between our essential requirements as a nation and the duties imposed by the nation upon the individual; balance between actions of the moment and the national welfare of the future. Good judgment seeks balance and progress; lack of it eventually finds imbalance and frustration.
The record of many decades stands as proof that our people and their government have, in the main, understood these truths and have responded to them well, in the face of stress and threat. But threats, new in kind or degree, constantly arise. I mention two only.
IV.
A vital element in keeping the peace is our military establishment. Our arms must be mighty, ready for instant action, so that no potential aggressor may be tempted to risk his own destruction.
Our military organization today bears little relation to that known by any of my predecessors in peacetime, or indeed by the fighting men of World War II or Korea.
Until the latest of our world conflicts, the United States had no armaments industry. American makers of plowshares could, with time and as required, make swords as well. But now we can no longer risk emergency improvisation of national defense; we have been compelled to create a permanent armaments industry of vast proportions. Added to this, three and a half million men and women are directly engaged in the defense establishment. We annually spend on military security more than the net income of all United States corporations.
This conjunction of an immense military establishment and a large arms industry is new in the American experience. The total influence -- economic, political, even spiritual -- is felt in every city, every State house, every office of the Federal government. We recognize the imperative need for this development. Yet we must not fail to comprehend its grave implications. Our toil, resources and livelihood are all involved; so is the very structure of our society.
In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the militaryindustrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist.
We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals, so that security and liberty may prosper together.
Akin to, and largely responsible for the sweeping changes in our industrial-military posture, has been the technological revolution during recent decades.
In this revolution, research has become central; it also becomes more formalized, complex, and costly. A steadily increasing share is conducted for, by, or at the direction of, the Federal government.
Today, the solitary inventor, tinkering in his shop, has been overshadowed by task forces of scientists in laboratories and testing fields. In the same fashion, the free university, historically the fountainhead of free ideas and scientific discovery, has experienced a revolution in the conduct of research. Partly because of the huge costs involved, a government contract becomes virtually a substitute for intellectual curiosity. For every old blackboard there are now hundreds of new electronic computers.
The prospect of domination of the nation's scholars by Federal employment, project allocations, and the power of money is ever present
* and is gravely to be regarded.
Yet, in holding scientific research and discovery in respect, as we should, we must also be alert to the equal and opposite danger that public policy could itself become the captive of a scientifictechnological elite.
It is the task of statesmanship to mold, to balance, and to integrate these and other forces, new and old, within the principles of our democratic system -- ever aiming toward the supreme goals of our free society.
V.
Another factor in maintaining balance involves the element of time. As we peer into society's future, we -- you and I, and our government -- must avoid the impulse to live only for today, plundering, for our own ease and convenience, the precious resources of tomorrow. We cannot mortgage the material assets of our grandchildren without risking the loss also of their political and spiritual heritage. We want democracy to survive for all generations to come, not to become the insolvent phantom of tomorrow.
VI.
Down the long lane of the history yet to be written America knows that this world of ours, ever growing smaller, must avoid becoming a community of dreadful fear and hate, and be instead, a proud confederation of mutual trust and respect.
Such a confederation must be one of equals. The weakest must come to the conference table with the same confidence as do we, protected as we are by our moral, economic, and military strength. That table, though scarred by many past frustrations, cannot be abandoned for the certain agony of the battlefield.
Disarmament, with mutual honor and confidence, is a continuing imperative. Together we must learn how to compose differences, not with arms, but with intellect and decent purpose. Because this need is so sharp and apparent I confess that I lay down my official responsibilities in this field with a definite sense of disappointment. As one who has witnessed the horror and the lingering sadness of war -- as one who knows that another war could utterly destroy this civilization which has been so slowly and painfully built over thousands of years -- I wish I could say tonight that a lasting peace is in sight.
Happily, I can say that war has been avoided. Steady progress toward our ultimate goal has been made. But, so much remains to be done. As a private citizen, I shall never cease to do what little I can to help the world advance along that road.
VII.
So -- in this my last good night to you as your President -- I thank you for the many opportunities you have given me for public service in war and peace. I trust that in that service you find some things worthy; as for the rest of it, I know you will find ways to improve performance in the future.
You and I -- my fellow citizens -- need to be strong in our faith that all nations, under God, will reach the goal of peace with justice. May we be ever unswerving in devotion to principle, confident but humble with power, diligent in pursuit of the Nation's great goals.
To all the peoples of the world, I once more give expression to America's prayerful and continuing aspiration:
We pray that peoples of all faiths, all races, all nations, may have their great human needs satisfied; that those now denied opportunity shall come to enjoy it to the full; that all who yearn for freedom may experience its spiritual blessings; that those who have freedom will understand, also, its heavy responsibilities; that all who are insensitive to the needs of others will learn charity; that the scourges of poverty, disease and ignorance will be made to disappear from the earth, and that, in the goodness of time, all peoples will come to live together in a peace guaranteed by the binding force of mutual respect and love.
...Ike...where are you?....we need you again...
..I heard that speech..live (on TV)...I remember..my dad saying..."we are going to miss him ..when he's gone"...
Just for a little balance, and humor, here's Adlai Stevenson - the candidate my parents voted for in the 1950's:
The General has dedicated himself so many times, he must feel like the cornerstone of a public building.
(Adlai Stevenson (1900-1965), U.S. Democratic politician. Quoted in Leon Harris, The Fine Art of Political Wit, ch. 10 (1964). Said of President Eisenhower.)
The Republicans have a "me too" candidate running on a "yes but" platform, advised by a "has been" staff.
(Adlai Stevenson (1900-1965), U.S. Democratic politician. Quoted in Leon Harris, The Fine Art of Political Wit, ch. 10 (1964).)
Howdy Hamlet,Quote:
Originally Posted by Hamlet
Nope..I don't see the conflict,what I see,is Mr. Kolhmayer out-lining the many appeasement maneuvers of the clue-less Left,who don't have a mind-set capable of understanding the definition of an enemy,nor how to counter the enemy's tactics and strategy.
The Left,desires a return to a pre-911 world,they would rather make friends with the enemy,than hold them accountable for their actions, 'They',the Left,are akin to the French..who've mastered the fine art of surrender and appeasement,coupled with apology.
Have a good one ...
The bible should have taught you greater tolerance than that. Sad you took nothing from your respective religion. World peace > world domination.Quote:
Originally Posted by Torog
"I object to violence because when it appears to do good, the good is only temporary; the evil it does is permanent." - Gandhi
Okay Torog, you can't see the conflict between all this preaching about 'freeing others from tyranny, and brutal dictators', -- and our own schemeing tyrants getting all indignant because we won't allow ourselves to loose our liberties to would-be dictators here? Do you actually trust these guys enough to turn over your freedoms and rights to them? Remember, it didn't bother Nixon to use the IRS to go after political enemies, and it wouldn't bother these cats in Washington to twist seized powers to their own corrupt purposes either. Cheney and Rumsfeld became buddies and cut their teeth working for the criminal Nixon administration and they still play ball like that.Quote:
The Left,desires a return to a pre-911 world,they would rather make friends with the enemy,than hold them accountable for their actions.
But here's something you really need to think hard about since you seem pretty adament about throwing the Church jargon around. Remember what Jesus said? Luke 6:27. "But I say to you that hear, Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, <--So how does this go along with what you posted above about why it's a bad thing that Democrats want to make friends with the enemy?
And on that note, why do you think the people of Iraq are our enemies in the first place? Because they're not Christians? They had nothing to do with 911 and never attacked us. We're not freeing them from anything. We're slaughtering them for oil and they're fighting back.
okay just started reading this thread, so need a mo to catch up, just got up to this post, bong right on man, whenever people complain about iraq and say america had no business there (this is something that happens ALOT over here in australia) i always ask them if they feel the people of iraq were better off when saddam was in poer, most of em actually say yes, which prooves they dont know what theyre on about, bush put an end to all the shit saddam was doing, an end to all the rape rooms saddams men used to abuse young women (some girls as young as 11 or 12) and now iraq is so much bettewr off, sorry if by now this post is old news, just really wanted to comment on it,,,,,Quote:
Originally Posted by Bong30
wilkl be back in a sec with something more uptodate....
once again sorry, catching up, can u post a link to the vid, mustve missed it when u first posted? would love to watch itQuote:
Originally Posted by Bong30
You're kidding, right? We've got civilian guts splattered all over the sand, their homes and livelihoods destroyed, their women raped by soldiers (some as young as 11 and 12), and their country in ruins.Quote:
okay just started reading this thread, so need a mo to catch up, just got up to this post, bong right on man, whenever people complain about iraq and say america had no business there (this is something that happens ALOT over here in australia) i always ask them if they feel the people of iraq were better off when saddam was in poer, most of em actually say yes, which prooves they dont know what theyre on about, bush put an end to all the shit saddam was doing, an end to all the rape rooms saddams men used to abuse young women (some girls as young as 11 or 12) and now iraq is so much bettewr off, sorry if by now this post is old news, just really wanted to comment on it,,,,,
Yes Saddam was a bad egg, but he was a pussycat compared to the hell we've rained on regular 'joe iraqi' just going through life, trying to get by.
What kills me is people actually believe the Bush Administration is doing this because they really cared about the wellfare and freedom of the Iraqi people.
But then again, I heard a poll that said 40% of the American public thinks we're fighting in Iraq because they were directly responsible for 911. No wonder we were ignorant enough to elect a dunce like Bush into office.
exactly right, plus after a war america and israel have always been known to do the right thing and helped their former enemies rebuild, look at israel, after the war a couple decades back they owned half of egypt i believe, they built on most of that land then gave it back (though giving it back was in retrospect a bad idea, as it set a precedence which is now being taken overboard) and america is helping iraq build their economy and government completely from the ground upQuote:
Originally Posted by Bong30
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hamlet
mate let me ask you something, did you fight in the army? did you personally see civillian guts and women raped by soldiers? no i didnt think so, i was in the army, didnt fight in iraq but i was in the area and witnessed a hell of alot, i have seen the good the bush administration has done and is continuing to do, and i have even been thanked by iraqi civilians for everything i was doing (granted i didnt do much, but they saw the uniform and figured i did)
Quote:
Originally Posted by GetDown
Rape still happens. People during Saddam weren't shot at / being blown up / being beheaded on there way to the market. What we saved there people from they got back in the increased violence. Until things actually settle down there it wont be any different.
Howdy Hamlet,Quote:
Originally Posted by Hamlet
I worry more about the Dim's inheriting the powers that can be twisted and used against their political enemies,than I do about the repubs sinking to such a level.
I understand what Jesus meant,and we do just that,we and the Israeli's,provide medical attention to those terrorists who attack us,quite often,the terrorists who survive their homicide bombing attacks or other attacks,are treated in the same ER,as their victims. Since ya know the Bible so well,can ya find where Jesus said that we must allow ourselves to be totally vanquished by Evil ?
It was the leadership of Iraq,and it's supporters,that we are enemies with,not the common Iraqi,and if we're slaughtering them for oil,how come we don't have their oil flooding the market ? If we're slaughtering them for oil,we ain't being very effecient about it,we could quickly wipe em out,if we so choose.
Unless you are personally in possesion of every bit of intel from Iraq,you cannot categorically state,that saddam and sons,didn't have anything to do with the 9/11/01 attack.
Have a good one ...:jointsmile:
Have I fought in Iraq? No I haven't. Have I personally seen civilian guts and soldiers raping women...yes I have. It's called the News. Conservative estimates of over 100 thousand civilian deaths..mostly women and children. Soldiers are on trial now for raping a 12 year old girl if you want to pick up a paper. Yeah, I'm sure they just want to give us a big group hug.Quote:
mate let me ask you something, did you fight in the army? did you personally see civillian guts and women raped by soldiers? no i didnt think so, i was in the army, didnt fight in iraq but i was in the area and witnessed a hell of alot, i have seen the good the bush administration has done and is continuing to do, and i have even been thanked by iraqi civilians for everything i was doing (granted i didnt do much, but they saw the uniform and figured i did)
I work side by side with a kid who's spent the last 2 years over there doing the actual fighting and he has painted a pretty accurate picture for me of whats going on and the Iraqi peoples attitudes. <--they might have been kissing your ass but I guarantee you they don't love you.) That, along with plenty of credible journalism, and the real facts are all there. Maybe you want to believe whatever you were doing over there was worthwhile, but denying the horror and chaos we've inflicted on that country and the peoples real sentiment towards us is living in a fantasy.
Think about it...would you thank the country who dropped a bomb on your house, killed your family, destroyed your neighborhood, and left you a refugee living hand to mouth in poverty?
I do know the Bible pretty well. I've had it forced down my throat most of my life and I've read it all the way through. The part you're looking for with that statement would be 'turn the other cheek'. (pretty much an apology for the Romans who 'vanquished' Israel, but that's a whole other discussion)Quote:
Since ya know the Bible so well,can ya find where Jesus said that we must allow ourselves to be totally vanquished by Evil ?
No we're not being very efficent about it. But Bush himself said Iraqi oil would pay for this whole invasion thing. Iraq sells most of it's oil to Europe and others...a successful invasion would change that. I assure you it was one of several motives for this invasion.Quote:
It was the leadership of Iraq,and it's supporters,that we are enemies with,not the common Iraqi,and if we're slaughtering them for oil,how come we don't have their oil flooding the market ? If we're slaughtering them for oil,we ain't being very effecient about it,we could quickly wipe em out,if we so choose.
Yes I can because all the Intel about 911 is there to see. Bush has even finally admitted Iraq had no ties to 911. The reason I know there is not one shred of evidence is because the Bush administration would have been waving it in our faces as justification for invasion....and if he would have had that one shred of evidence, me and every other person against the Iraq war would be behind striking back at Iraq. No one said a word about Afganistan because it was justified. Suggesting Iraq was behind it is as proposterous and all the 911 conspiracy bullshit that Bush was behind it.Quote:
Unless you are personally in possesion of every bit of intel from Iraq,you cannot categorically state,that saddam and sons,didn't have anything to do with the 9/11/01 attack.
Of course you're welcome to your opinions Torog, but in this forum you're going to have to earn them...just like I have to...lol
If I'm full of shit, I have no problem changing my mind and saying I'm wrong. Hell, I spend most of my time being wrong. So if I am, set me straight with a good strong argument...
Have a good one :)
Howdy Hamlet,Quote:
Originally Posted by Hamlet
"Turn the other cheek",does not mean committing suicide,it means doing everything we can,before we must defend ourselves from evildoers..in the hope that the evildoers will change their minds and decide to not committ evil acts against others.
We never see all the facts,because doing such,would reveal our humint and elint assets,to the enemy. What you've seen,is pablum for the masses and the enemy.
As for a "good strong argument",I got the experience in the ME and oil patch,that you don't have,as well as being in the military..do you have such qualifications ?
Have a good one ...
...having been in the military...is not a qualifier...for a good strong argument..
..I prefer to hear..from all sides...
mate, the media is a business, they arent usually interested in the truth, they are interested in getting people to read their articles, buy their magazienes, watch their shows, now what is the best way to get people to tune in?Quote:
Originally Posted by Hamlet
Bagging America, they know that the people who support the war are going to be watching and getting pissed off, but they wont stop watching, and they know that the people against the war are also going to get pissed, anger is a powerfull emotion which the media wants you to feel, once your mad youll watch more news, read more papers and do what ever else, because rare is the person who says, this is pissing me off, ill just change the channel
having said that, even if you dont agree with me there you should atleast agree to the fact that watching something on the news is NOWHERE NEAR the same thing as actually being there, and they were not just kissing my ass, its very easy to tell who is being polite to you coz they have to and who genuinely appreciates you, if you cant tell the difference between an asskisser and someone that likes you then i do feel sorry for you
now i wouldnt thank someone who left me a refugee, but i would thank someone who took a dictator, a son of a bitch scumbag, who killed many of my family and friends, and whos soldiers raped my daughters and nieces, and put the bastard where he could no longer do any harm, then help fix my country so it actually runs smoothly and has a fair government,
now i did hear about those yank soldiers, apparently they raped a 14 yr old girl and i think her mother as well but im not sure, then killed the family, that is a very tragic and horrible thing and i hope all of those soldiers get sent to a prison where they will be raped up the ass daily for the rest of their shitty lives, but one incident is very different from the daily rapings that occured when saddam was in power, and these soldiers are actually going to get severly punished for their actions, as opposed to saddams men who could do as they pleased with no fear
So you're saying the video of bombed out villiages, mutilated children, dead bodies in the sand, and people screaming in agony and grief are fabrications of the media?
If this is so and the people are grateful, why are we still fighting? Why isn't the entire country dancing around singing 'ding dong, the witch is dead'?Quote:
now i wouldnt thank someone who left me a refugee, but i would thank someone who took a dictator, a son of a bitch scumbag, who killed many of my family and friends, and whos soldiers raped my daughters and nieces, and put the bastard where he could no longer do any harm, then help fix my country so it actually runs smoothly and has a fair government,
I'm sure plenty of people wanted Saddam out....won't deny that. But the reason he's out is because Bush and his business partners wanted him out for their own interests. They've left those people high and dry too many times to convince anyone they're doing it for the Iraqi people. For instance, after Desert Storm...Bush Sr. told the Iraqi people to rise up against Saddam. Some did thinking they had U.S. support. They didn't and were slaughtered. We didn't care because Kuwait and all it's oil was safe.
So in the process of 'freeing the Iraqis' we've killed more of our own people than were lost in 911 (not that Iraq had anything to do with 911)...and several hundred thousand Iraqis. Now they're in a civil war for control because they know damn good and well they can't count on us for anything but to serve our own lust for oil.
coughQuote:
Originally Posted by Hamlet
also, i always find this funny, do you actually believe all bush is interested in is money and oil? i mean seriously, do you honestly believe it? i find that to be among the most ridicules of conspiracy theories......... and in response to that all i have to say isQuote:
Originally Posted by Hamlet
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51ogPQtcQGY
granted south park is "just a cartoon" but this makes a damn good point, in fact that episode of southpark contains one of the only conspiracy theories that i would actually believe......
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zDQ3ZaMYsw
Aah, so this whole war and all the deaths are a media fabrication! Wow, do I feel silly now. I guess the kid I work with was bullshitting me about having to hold his buddy's brains in, and what the smell of burning flesh is like.
http://www.aish.com/ <-- A couple of clicks gave me the source of your video. Why does this remind me of the claims that the Holocaust wasn't a reality, and the prison plant video analysis of 911?
I've watched Bush shinanigans for years. Unfortunately he's been my Governor before he was my President, M8. He's a fucking oilman for cryin' out loud. My company was chased off from an oil billionaires hunting lodge by secret service because Dick Cheney was visiting his 'good buddy'. It's no mystery who's got their peckers in his back pocket. Cheney was the friggin' CEO of Haliburton who's got all the Iraq contracts, and subcontracts for Exxon. It's not a matter of belief or secret conspiracies. The facts are right out there in the open....they've made it quite obivous.Quote:
also, i always find this funny, do you actually believe all bush is interested in is money and oil? i mean seriously, do you honestly believe it?
im not saying everything is completely fabticated but i am using this to show you not every photo you see in the media is real, this is an aid to proove my point about the media, the kid you work with may have seen alot of bad, and i never said soldiers arent dying its tragic, but ask the kid you work with if he knew there was a chance he wouldnt come back alive, everyone i was stationed with knew what we were doing was dangerous, its tragic but thats the way it is,Quote:
Originally Posted by Hamlet
as for why it reminds you of claims the holocaust wasnt real, i dunno why, it doesnt remind me of that at all, but whatever....
now i wouldnt thank someone who left me a refugee, but i would thank someone who took a dictator, a son of a bitch scumbag, who killed many of my family and friends, and whos soldiers raped my daughters and nieces, and put the bastard where he could no longer do any harm, then help fix my country so it actually runs smoothly and has a fair government,
Do you actually believe that will happen? I have serious doubts about that government ever doing anything but killing sunnis and Kurds. And as far as the US being there, it is only agravating the situation. The only sane solution is to eat shit and leave. it was a bad Idea to start with and it's not getting better. The only ones benefiting from this war are the war contractors and the Iraqis that stole billions in US cash, yeah thats right, there are billions missing in cash doled out to the Iraqi govt. So lets just write this one off to stupidity on The Bush Regime and move the fuck on!
eait im confused by your post, you say you do not believe the US will help the Iraqi Govt. but then you say the US gave the Iraqi govt billions of dollars? why would they do that if they didnt wanna help?
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Bribe money, the Iraqi people got squat! the puppet Govt. got the money and divided it up among their friends, see anything new here, it's just business as usual, the American way! We have basically just swapped dictators and after we leave Iraq, you will hear no news from there, just like Viet Nam, No news for years. I don't know how long you've been observing how the US govt. works in foriegn affairs, but bribing the leaders with our tax money, or overthrowing them, is the principle foundation of foriegn policy, then the corporations can pillage the resourses!