Comes a Time, First Grow, Please Step Inside -- 2000 watt Sour Diesel

In my past comment, I meant how does it work out for you for growing your mother, and then cloning? Do you have seperate lights for the clones or that's it? Sorry, forgot to add I'm talking about clones in the last post, I'm stooned.

Looks like you have the clones under the flouros, where is mom?

I have grown out mothers under 6x23 W CFL's, but my 175 MH works better and IMO the T5's are probably the best way to go. As far as your plants looking hungry even when the SunShine is still moist, you may have low humitity in the room, maybe trying to sit a pale of water in there for a few days and see how they act, or try misting them with a spray bottle for about a week and see how they react.
Well, wify is trying to get me to bed, and a happy home is pretty important to me, so Adieu

Thanks BlueBear! Okay here comes a real stupid question folks. I am using SunShine#4 which is hydro, but it looks just like soil. I am hand watering them. I use Supernatural Gro Terra for vegetative nutes. I have a quick question here. On the nutes it says, "For organic soils: Use up to double strength. Apply every 2-3 weeks depending on rate of growth and fertility of soil." Now, I thought the guys at the store told me to only use this every 7-10 days with the SunShine#4, but I am getting the feeling it should be used every time I water, does anyone know? I used about 1/2 the reccomended dose for small plants, just to be sure. But, should I be using the mixture with the Supernatural in it everytime I water? A quick reply would be great as I think I've been doing this wrong.

Answered my own question, just gave a hydro store a call - they said to give the plants the SuperNatural just about everytime they get watered, and to salt leach every other week to prevent nutrient lock out. Thanks gang! More pictures by the weekends completion....

i cloned my mothers to no return. thats why there are none left. check out theese pics though! flouros work!

MJ looses 99% of the water it drinks through its leaves.. TRANSPIRATION

Transpiration accounts for approximately 10% of all evaporating water on planet earth.... AMAZING

2 - 1000 watt bulbs - YUMMY!!!

Yeah, I will try putting some buckets of water in there, we will see how that works. Just makes knowing when they need water a little bit more challenging. I am giving them about a cup over the course of 24 hours, sometimes 1/2 a cup and then 1/2 cup 12 hours later, sometimes a full cup right in the AM. Seems to be working thus far. Have their nutrients up to 320PPM. How long should I wait until they receive the full dose of nutrients? The box of nutes says 700PPM, 350PPM for young plants. I will bring it up to 400 when I water them tomorrow I think.

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Originally Posted by razzapiggy

Yeah, I will try putting some buckets of water in there, we will see how that works. Just makes knowing when they need water a little bit more challenging. I am giving them about a cup over the course of 24 hours, sometimes 1/2 a cup and then 1/2 cup 12 hours later, sometimes a full cup right in the AM. Seems to be working thus far. Have their nutrients up to 320PPM. How long should I wait until they receive the full dose of nutrients? The box of nutes says 700PPM, 350PPM for young plants. I will bring it up to 400 when I water them tomorrow I think.

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hey razz just bring up the ppms up just every time you feed them. Using the sunshine #4 mix only can be tricky because you cant geuss on how much to feed them. The next time you transplant Im just saying mix some wormcasting and find some potting soil with a low npk # and you wont have to water or feed as much as you are doing. If you want fast results next time try doing a DWC hydro grow thats what you want to be doing the resulst I get are great.:rasta: :pimp:

Not exactly sure what a DWC hydro grow is... will look into it. My friend uses straight SunShine#4 and is having great results, I was planning to keep it that way, though I am needing to water them quite a bit. I suppose a little bit of potty soil could be mixed in with the SunShine#4 just to make the mix retain water better. The good thing about Sunshine (as I believe, and was also told this by the friend who gets great results) is that it's very hard to give the plant too much water, the sunshine will breathe very nicely. So giving them some extra water on a less frequent basis becomes less of a problem. I will def. consider what you said about putting some potting soil in there, thanks. What is npk by the way?

Ah Razz, NPK is something that you need to know to build up your basic foundation. N* Nitrogen, P* Potassium K* Phosphorous . These are the major macro nutrient make ups in all fertilizers. In veg you need a nute with a high N and in flower you will want a nute that is high in P and K. You will find this on all fert bags and bottles. I am giving you a basic description, but you want to take about a half hour and do some reading on the MJ plants need for NPK and how it plays a major role in having a good grow, as a matter of fact here is a link for you, www.marijuanagrowing.com/article.php?sid=26 .
Get the moisture tester and you will save your self allot of guess work on the watering thingy IMO. DWC is "Deep Water Culture.
" I have a thread in the hydro section titled "Water Farm/DWC club where you can pick up some idea on what it is as people dialog back and forth, but in short it can be set up using a 5 gallon bucket with a net pot in the lid of the bucket that holds grow rocks and your plant. You fill the bucket with your water/nutes and get a $10 air pump from Wally Mart and get these little $1.50 air stones that they use in aquariums and place two in the bottom of the bucket and the water is saturated with O2 as the air stones produce bubbles in the water and splash onto the roots of your plant feeding it and watering it. The plant is able to experience amazing growth because un like in soil where the plants roots have to stretch out threw the soil to find food and water, the nute/water is given directly to the roots every second and the plant is able to focus its energy on growing buds instead of roots. When done right, up to 3 ounces can be harvested from one plant with a veg time no longer than 3 weeks and in soil this is a really hard thing to do..
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Corecction, "N* Nitrogen, P* Potassium K* Phosphorous" is wrong, correctway , N* Nitrogen, P* Phosphorous K* Potassium is right way. LOL
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Ahh, yes I have seen friends do it this way indeed. Thanks for the info. I am off to home depot to get some stuff so I can set up the ventilation for the lights today, then I can close the room. Of course, shortly after that ventilation for the room has to be done so the fresh air is always coming in. I can leave the door of the room open slightly during the day, but at night it needs to get closed. I have no carbon filter yet, but that will be soon, and then I can hook the carbon filter up, and begin to get fresh air in my room all the time. Will get a moisture meter as well. Thanks again! Will keep you guys updated.
P.S These clones are growing at a crazy rate! Seems like everyday they have formed new leaves - I just can't believe how fast the process is. It must be amazing to see it with DWC, an even faster method. Will update with pictures later on... thanks gang!

Bit of a road block here, setting up the ventilation right now and realized I never put the tempered glass in the 1000 watt lamp. You have to unscrew it on one side to slide it in the panel, and I can't get enough force with the light already hanging. I don't want to take the lamp down and do the work from the ground as it might confuse the plants I would guess? Anyone care to comment?

Hi everybody!

Just wanted to introduce myself since I have been kind of lurking around this thread since it started. I am a huge fan of Sour Diesel, and I have been planning a project similar to this for a while. I will be watching and learning if that is OK with everybody here. I know there is a lot I can learn from some of the people here, and beeing a noob I need all the help I can get.

TIA

Howdy folks... Hope everyone is doing well!

I just set up my ventilation and for now the circuit is open, so it's airing out the room, but will become a closed circuit when I attach it to the vent in the floor, and cold air will come in through that vent (I enclosed a picture of the vent) Also set up the fan suspended in air with bungee cords, and the air getting pushed into the attic. Little bit of a celebration, one step closer to having a stable room!

Few questions for the seasoned vets:

a.) I already posted this, but this is a stupid question to have to ask. My lamp got set up without the glass in the hood, I am a moron, but the glass was in my girlfriends car at the time. I have tried unscrewing on the side to get it in, I can't create enough force to get the screws out. Unfortunately I only bought one veg light, so I can't simply put the glass in the other 1000 watt and then fire up the veg light, then put the glass in this one. What the hell am I to do? lol.


b.) Although the fan is suspended in air, it's still quite noisey to be honest! It can be heard outside of the room, and I am not sure how to makes things a little more quiet - I figured suspending the fan in air would help. I would assume it will become a little quieter once the circuit is closed, as you won't be able to hear as much of the suction. I can't imagine it will decrease the volume THAT much though. Perhaps a fair amount of noise is also being created from air coming in under the door. Anyone care to comment?

About to give the plants 400 ppm distilled water shortly. I know the pictures are a bit dark, I am a bit pressed for time right now but I will update soon. Amazed at how fast these ladies are shooting up, leave structure looks pretty tight - happy so far! Thanks for all the advice guys, you are great - I am trying to pass on what little I do know to the community, it's a great thing we have going on here! Cheers! :rasta: :pimp:



--KindMidas, thank you for reading the thread. Stay posted, I am going to be updating as frequently as possible. While I am very impressed with the advice given by a few members of this forum and will benefit from it greatly, I do hope some can learn from my simple mistakes and questions. And if you are trying to plan a 2000 watt grow, you can learn some without question! I am new to this as well so I will sometimes be posting in great detail - alot of folks here will be able to give you advice if you have taken a step in the wrong direction. My advice to you from my current position is to get the lamps set up, get your clones, and try to do things step by step (requires lots of money, and a fair amount of time) I of course have a luxury that most might not, and that's plenty of space, not sure what you are planning. --

Best of luck to all! :thumbsup:

Hey RAZZ... I always mount my fans to a piece of wood with a bicycle tire or like piece of rubber between he wood and the fan.. Hanging it seems smart..

I will keep turning this one around in my head.. Although, my first thought is hanging a blanket in the room... ideally on the walls closest to the fan.. Blankets absorb NOISE.. very well actually!

iloveyou

My second thought is to record yourself banging the bee-jeezus out of your girlfriend and play it in a loop over and over.... to cover/mask the sound of the fan..

iloveyou


You can' t get the screw out to put the glass in? Have you tried w-d40? Basically the screw is stuck? Is there away you could drill a new hole and mount it differently...

Do not use duct tape.. it will not hold... LOL...

cheers

I REALLLY REALLY appreciate the pictures!!!!!

W-D40...no I haven't. It's just that I can't get enough force to get an already hard to get out screw. Because the light is already hanging. It's such a stupid problem, all I had to do was put it in to begin with but oh well. I am planning to try to close the circuit very shortly, but if I can't get the glass on the lamp can't be moved as close to the plants as it should be. Ugh, lol. Will try out the blanket idea. Keep ya posted Knowm, I will have better pictures soon brother man. And guess, the lady deserves some good love making, she has been a huge help thus far!

Also thinking of maybe putting those egg cret things that people use to line studios up in the grow room... perhaps those would absorb a bunch of noise?

those work well. i sound proofed my dads house with tire-inline tubes i got at the dump, just a thought.

You could hang blankets on all the walls and then cover with your reflective material.
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Cool thanks for the advice guys, will weigh my options. I am approaching yet another important decision here. I have to leave town on the 18th of Dec for 9 days. I was planning to start flowering right prior to leave as the plants generally require less attention right when they start blooming than later on. Well, my clones are about 8-9 inches tall already, and I feel like I want to start flowering this Sunday (the 10th) I would then be leaving 8 days later, but will have a friend who can come by to do waterings etc. Would I be better off just waiting the additional week so I don't have to worry about the work he is doing quite as much? Is the second week of flowering much more crucial than the first? Any advice is appreciated

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Originally Posted by razzapiggy

While I am very impressed with the advice given by a few members of this forum and will benefit from it greatly, I do hope some can learn from my simple mistakes and questions.

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Yes, man, the best way to learn something is to fuck it up. Having problems and figuring out how to correct them will teach you more than having a perfect grow out of luck your first time. But very nice job so far man. Looks like lots of us noobs are doing pretty good our first time around :) You can definitely tell who did their homework before starting :thumbsup:

Got the glass in on both lamps, the closed circuit ventilation is all set up now so the light that is responsible for vegging the 40 clones is now at 20 inches above the plants - about ten inches closer than it ever has been. I bet they are going to shoot up. Already about 9-10 inches tall, only had em a week. Now, I need to get a carbon filter, and get some ventilation for the room (what do we call this?) Do you guys vent the air from the room the same place as the hoods? I have an attic above me, and a bathroom to my right... will post pictures soon guys!

I don't have a thermometer that stands up in soil, but I placed my digital therm. right around the canopy and left it there for a while... reads 71 degrees. Does this mean I should lower the lamp a bit? I believe 18 is the lowest most people go right? Also, anyone care to comment on the decision of when to flower? Thanks gang.

Try to lower it down to at least 12 inches, and 8 to 10 inches if possible, but 10 is a good rule of thumb for me because at 8 inches you can lose some of the light coverage to the plants on the edge of the light foot print.
Flipping to 12-12 really kind of depends on how much head room you have, remember if you let them get any taller than 18 inches you can end up with some 5 or 6FT plants and that with the pots will make them pretty tall. Also, I like to keep the plants under 5 at around 3 or 4 that way the light can get to all of the plant and not just the upper half.
Well, good luck, and PS. vent up if you can.
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pictures .....

Holy shit!!! These ladies are growing so freaking fast with the light lower! I swear they grew over an inch in the last twelve hours since lowering it. I will upload pictures later today Knowm.
Blue - yeah I don't want em much bigger than five feet at all to be honest. I want to start flowering them real soon, I am just concerned about being gone for those nine days. I can either flower them right before I leave, or flower them a week prior to leaving. I am just trying to figure out if that extra week of flowering makes it so that the person who is watching the plants will have to do alot more than they would if they *just* went into 12.12 - care to comment? Yes, I am venting up, into the attic. Now I need carbon filter, and I need to vent the room. I will put up pictures later today, I know Knowm is growing more curious by the minute! =))

OK, if you wait 9 days they can grow another 6 to 10 inches depending on the feno type so you could get back and find your self with 20 inch plants before 12-12 and that will be a problem in the long run if you want to keep them under 5FT. If you flip them before you leav they will go into the flowering stretch about 4 days after the flip and who ever is watching them will just have to make sure that they are checking the light hight every day incase they need to raise the lights. As far as feeding them, you could keep them on their veg nutes for the first 7 to 10 days of 12-12 because they take that long to actually be able to process the flowering nutes for different reasons.
In a nut shell, I would probably flip before you leav.
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I would like my plants to be between 3.5 - 4 feet tall. Guess I should start to flower when they are about about 15 inches tall? Shorter? I am down to start flowering as soon as possible, just like I said I don't want to leave town at a crucial time. I know the first week of flowering isn't completely crucial (at least I was told that) not positive about the second.

Yes, around 15 inches.
First 10 days they are still just transitioning from veg over to flower.
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I am going to flip them to 12.12 without question prior to leaving. The question at hand is weather to do it this weekend or wait until a few days prior to leaving? Is the first nine days alot easier to handle than days 11-20 is basicly what I am asking. Thanks Blue, you're support is appreciated.

Yes IMO, the first 9 are easier.. After the first 10 days they will start to stretch allot and it is nice to be able to adjust accordingly also, you want to be able to adjust the flower nutes as needed and you don't need to start them untill after the first 10.
Adieu and thanks for the thanks.

Cool, that gives me a little time to get my carbon filter set up and also figure out how the hell I'm going to set up the room so that I can get to the mother/clones and no light will get into the flowering room. Is dark plastic the best to use, I figured some type that can unzip? I am scared shitness of hermies so I'm going to be rather liberal with the set up....

Having a little problem here, some orange spots showing up on a few of the plants new leaf growth. My camera won't capture the problem well, I will try to borrow a friends shortly. Also curling upwards of some leaves, again the problem is only on like 2-3 plants out of the 34, should I not worry much? I matched it up with plant problem diagnosis and it looks like a calcium problem. Anyone had similar problems? The orange spots are very few, so I am not freaking out just yet, but I don't want anything to get out of control. I fed them their nutes at 550 PPM yesterday (slowly worked them up) Any advice is appreciated.

Wanted to update, the orange spots are *not* on the outsides of the leaves, they are on the inside towards the middle... not exactly sure what it is. Anyone care to comment?

What kind of water are you using?? Tap, RO?? You may need to get some Cal Mag because you may be seeing a deficiency of some kind. What is the PH of water before watering??
Panda plastic with tarp zippers will work for light proofing a different section in the room.
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ph of water is just around 6.0 when i give the water to them. have looked over alot of information on the net, def. seems like a calcium diff. -- open to suggestions from the group but for now my plan is to give them dolomite lime tomorrow.... i know its slow acting but i hope they rebound.. like i said, the problem is not completely over-whelming at all, so i am not freaking out but the problem will be addressed very shortly...thanks for the info

p.s have been using distilled bottled water for now, actually just switched to the tap water, but i havent even fed them that just yet...

Went to the hydro store, guy said the symptoms are def. a calcium diff. so I bought some Plant Amp to spray on them. He said they should be fine by tomorrow. So, I obviously raised the lights before giving them a solid spraying, have the lamp about five feet over-head now so they won't get burnt leaves. How long should I leave the lamp like this for? I suppose until the beads of water dry out? Thanks in advance.