Here's some inspiring pics...

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Originally Posted by Josh David

I think it's funny, that when it all comes down to it without America, the world would probably collapse economically.

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How can the world collapse economically? It's not like we could trade with alien life forms (oh that's right you speak alien don't you). I think it would be better to say the world powers would not be as powerfull as they currently are.

Without America heaps of countries would be economically better off. Many third world countries have been economically sanctioned and cannot support themselves because of America. And I am sure there are many Americans who do not like being associated with power hungry so called freedom fighting that is purely a way of gaining more global economic control.

I hate being associated with my government and it's fucked up choices. I didn't fucking vote for the government in this country.

Any how, if your government was really concerned for it's people then they would spend money on the fucked social welfare system and not on war. Nobody gives a shit about the poor people, just the ones who can afford to work in large towers in the middle of New York. What about people who can only afford to live in ghetto's, trailers and on the street. Thousands more of these people make up the list of casualties .They could join the military and at least put their poor ass to some use and still end up as a casualty of the governments agenda. Sound like a conspiracy? :(

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Oh and if someone wants to leave america it is not that hard. Sell an ounce of bud take the hundred you make to buy bus fair and roll up to Canada. It's just that most of the time, people are poor for a reason. They either are born into a life of poverty and know of nothing else or they are too fuckin lazy to do anything about their conditions. It's a cycle of sloths.

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You sound like a dumb fuck. If you take enough away from people and society stops giving a shit about them as if they are going to be capable of making decisions that benefit them in the long run. All they will want is to satisfy immediate needs cause they don't want to think about the bleak future. People with mental disorders and disabilities and cannot work need support not to be called lazy. Many street bums that once had good lives and a reason to live are their not because they want to but because they got lost in a society that thinks they are not worth the effort.

I'm sure this is all lost on you any how, so maybe your idea of people who don't wanna be there should just leave is best. That way you and people like josh david and all you other dumb fuck friends can pat each other on the back and saying yeah man America rulz! while fucking each other up the arse. You all suck and have no right to comment on people that are from third world countries until you have lived in one or know some one that has.

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Originally Posted by Drink the Bong Water

anyone who supports terroisim on these boards, can lick my sack
and i would also like to say, that..thank gosh were killing all those damn sand niggers over there

just my opinion though! :D

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Just because I don't support the war doesn't mean I support terrorism!!!!!
That war has nothing to do with terrorism :rolleyes:
"sand niggers" :confused: :( :mad:

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Originally Posted by Drink the Bong Water

anyone who supports terroisim on these boards, can lick my sack
and i would also like to say, that..thank gosh were killing all those damn sand niggers over there

just my opinion though! :D

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if i see any more of this racism on this i will have no choice to ban u from here..ur just instigatin trouble with ur views ,,i dont agree with wat ur sayin..,an most people dont eaither accordin to the posts..

pls stop or u will not be bak under that name..an i WILL find out if u do decide to change it ,,,,be warned,,this aint funny

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Originally Posted by Drink the Bong Water

sand niggers

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What's that Shiz? :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Drink the Bong Water

anyone who supports terroisim on these boards, can lick my sack
and i would also like to say, that..thank gosh were killing all those damn sand niggers over there

just my opinion though! :D

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sand niggers????
wtf!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
and what the usa isnt terrorism? bombin a country liek that? bombin schools and hospitals? xcept usa do it with the clik of a button. but hell i dont wana atak the usa coz it does terrorize ppl by bombin countries the president doesnt even know were to place in a map!
hell man b4 calling other ppl sand niggars fkn think what teh y they have to go thru man!

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Originally Posted by hempilation311

My apologies. I should have paid more attention to your profile. However, I have one question for you. DO you think all Americans are elitists and over-nationalists? We aren't just to let you know.

Yes the decisions the american govt. makes affect the whole world but what if we decided to say screw it. What if we stopped providing aid to the third world? Hmmm... that would be a whole lot better. Better yet, lets take our money and use it all for ourselves to better our country since all you people across the pond think we should stop making these decisions.

Oh and if someone wants to leave america it is not that hard. Sell an ounce of bud take the hundred you make to buy bus fair and roll up to Canada. It's just that most of the time, people are poor for a reason. They either are born into a life of poverty and know of nothing else or they are too fuckin lazy to do anything about their conditions. It's a cycle of sloths.

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You think America gives Aid unconditionally? What a laugh. Aid is another name for a loan. If America stopped giving Aid, they would lose more than they would gain.

Edit - You are pretty nationalist. Just because you don't scream it doesn't mean you feel it. Read your post again and you'll see why.

not the best thread on the block

war = love or hate

peace

wow I didn't know their were so many people with conservative ::coughs:: murderous views here. As a response to "THe US pulling out of Iraq would be like going all-in and folding" (paraphrase): No. Cards equal situation. Money= how much u put in. U obviously didn't think about this analogy. Staying there would be STAYING in the game. And to do so u need to put MORE money in. So if u STAY u pay MORE money. U understand?

wow I didn't know their were so many people with conservative ::coughs:: murderous views here. As a response to "THe US pulling out of Iraq would be like going all-in and folding" (paraphrase): No. Cards equal situation. Money= how much u put in. U obviously didn't think about this analogy. Staying there would be STAYING in the game. And to do so u need to put MORE money in. So if u STAY u pay MORE money and u make the consequences of a loss even greater. So u agree with the minority that would go all in on a war that will never end. The war I speak about is not the Iraq war only, it is the war between the Americans and the non-Americans. This war will never end, so why put in money and lose when u could just pack up ur chips and cash in. Why? There really is no reason if u stick to the damn analogy. But I expect an analogy change. U understand? (No aggression intended. but I couldn't argue nicely. peace)

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This war will never end, so why put in money and lose when u could just pack up ur chips and cash in. Why? There really is no reason if u stick to the damn analogy. But I expect an analogy change. U understand? (No aggression intended. but I couldn't argue nicely. peace)

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Maybe the forces that be are winning from this gamble and it will end when they stop benefittng from it?

I'm saying that we've already put many soldiers into this "war on terror" and to withdraw right now would be like folding our deck after we have put in a substantial portion of our pot or "go all in". Whichever way you look at it, my analogy stands. If you don't like it then I'm gonna e-mail you to let you know that my tears are streaming down my cheeks.

Dude the only one taking our freedom is the cunt ou voted for his regime to use yoru words. No iraqis gonna come over here and tell me that I cant smoke or tell me that I cant protest or tell me hes gonna tap my hphione lens. But your good old inspirational george w bush will happily do so.

Well, Mrs. Potatohead it seems I offend the, I apologize. I did vote so I do believe in change for hte better. And no I didn't vote for Bush, which may give you an indication that I don't support the presidents first military campaign in Iraq. But, like other americans I would like to see an end to the insurgency in Iraq. You'll notice that most americans wether they support Bush or not don't really respond to negativity about their country due to 9-11. As far as my boastfull economic statement that may have been rash, Oh well . ALL APOLOGIES>>>>>>>

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Well, Mrs. Potatohead it seems I offend the, I apologize. I did vote so I do believe in change for hte better. And no I didn't vote for Bush, which may give you an indication that I don't support the presidents first military campaign in Iraq. But, like other americans I would like to see an end to the insurgency in Iraq. You'll notice that most americans wether they support Bush or not don't really respond to negativity about their country due to 9-11. As far as my boastfull economic statement that may have been rash, Oh well . ALL APOLOGIES>>>>>>>

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I'm sorry for my rant and any insult I may have caused you too. I just get so over the whole, America is great because of economic power and military might, thing. Why be inspired by the guns,war and the destruction of another country (like the pictures suggest) why not be inspired something else like (I would make a suggestion here but I am sure you could fill this gap better than I).

Patriotism sometimes baffles me because it makes people do such crazy shit and some people are so patriotic that they stick by all the decisions and things their governments do no matter how dumb. I just don't think that governments always have the interest of the people at heart but their own agenda.

Sorry another rant I will stop now.

You Rock Mrs. Potatohead!!!

Oh hello there ....yep I am still rockin....you are in so many places at once I'm not sure whether to love or hate you :confused: ... just kiddin... your growing on me (maybe I should get something for that) :D

im going to put my figers in my ears
a hand over my eyes
and a hand over my mouth.

imotep destroyer of worlds is disgusted by your pride in your puny popguns mortal dogs.

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Originally Posted by Lulu

"whatsoever you do to the least of my brothers, you do to Me."

Torog you argued for the right to life of the unborn but seem to feel no compassion for the Iraqi people who are losing their's at the hands of your voted Despot :confused:

Despot ~ A person who wields power oppressively; a tyrant

You're kind of an "a la carte Christian", wouldn't you say :rolleyes:

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Howdy LuLu,

I realize that I do come off as being somewhat compassionless,and I apologize for that. However,the Iraqi people aren't losing their lives to President Bush,they are losing lives because of the old regime elements,terrorists and foreign fighters-American soldiers aren't the ones exploding car-bombs..the terrorists are.

Thank ya kindly,for the definition of a 'despot',but I didn't really need it..Saddam and his sons,fitted that description..President Bush and our troops,liberated over 50 million folks in Iraq and Afghanistan..they do not fit that description.

As for being an" a la carte Christian"..I really don't want to be fitted with a French moniker..lol. I grew up,going to a Christian church so conservative,that we didn't even believe in having musical instruments in the Church. I believe that God and His Son,Jesus Christ,are within me..I don't need no daggum fancy church.."Split a rock..hew a log..and I'll be there.." ..for me..I could no more stop breathing-than I could set aside my Faith..I wake each day,thanking God for my many blessings and I thank God when I go to sleep..so you see-I'm not just a Christian when it suits me.

I wish that no innocents would have to die-in this struggle of Good vs Evil.

Have a good one...Torog

Wow, Torog, you certainly stirred up a whole hornet's nest of opinion here, didn't ya! :D

The problem with this whole situation, is that the average Joe (and Josephine lol) are blinded to the machinations of the media propoganda that is fuelled by the respective government.
In Iraq, the 'insergence' are pumped full of 'anti-American' bullshit, the US (and the UK) are pumped full of 'anti-Iraqi' bullshit, then ya got each side of the religious fraternity slagging each other off and inciting racial (religious) confrontation.

When are people going to step back, and look at the bigger picture? :confused:

Before I start ranting (lol), I would like to commend ~Hunny~ for speaking out against the use of certain words :) debate is healthy, but racially derogatory terms only get the message lost in base abuse.
And, Lulu..lol@'A la carte'...but isn't that what all religious folk do?; pick and choose parts of their book to satisy their own goals?

Anyway, here is my view:

Firstly, I was as shocked as everyone else, at the events that transpired on Sept 11; it is an image that will stay with me, until the day I die. Even now, I look back on it with almost a sense of disbelief - did it really happen?
By the end of that day, however, I began to smell a rat.
Certain 'facial reactions' from GWB when he was told about the event whilst he was at that school, just made me think a little deeper about what was actually going on.
Then, by the end of that day, I heard that the government had not only found out who 'the culprits' were, but indeed that found that plans for such a thing, in an abandoned car! I mean, come on, people...would YOU leave such documentation in an abandoned car?!?!

Straight away, I began to realise that there was more to this than met the eye.
I started thinking that this attack was rather convenient, for a great many people.

If we look at the root basis for this 'war on terror', we will see that it is religion vs religion. Islam vs Christianity.
And the oil issue, too, is as much a smoke screen as everything else...another convenient issue that takes us away from the real issue.

If we are to believe those poeple who spend their time picking and choosing so-called 'Bible Prophecies', then we can start thinking about what this whole deal is about.

The Christians will harp on about the shift of power going to the East (Arab nations), because it is so written in the Bible.
The Islamist will harp on about their Jihad.

Is this whole thing, not just about fulfilling/preventing a 'prophecy'?

Then, there are those who will question the intentions of the Chinese.
There is also a 'prophecy', that describes the Chinese as being the next power...that they will cross a sandbar (when the oceans shrink) into America, and seize power.
Let's not forget the 'Illuminarti', and the 'Freemasons', whom also have a prophecy and 'mission' to forfill.

(The Chinese, btw, are the single biggest importer of metals, right now - are we to believe that they are building a war machine?)

The people that you see on your TV screens, are NOT the ones in command. GWB, Blair, and even those fanatic religious figureheads, are just the ones following the whim of those who are really in power. Many different factions, I don't know, but rest assured thay are there..pulling the strings toward their own goals.

Unfortunately, innocent people die on all sides.
Soldiers on the field, are just following the orders of those who bark them from within their comfy leather office chairs - sending numbers (not human beings in their eyes...just numbers) to thier deaths every single day, and then go home to their comfortable homes, and eat nice hot dinners, then go to bed thinking that they are doing good.
The insergencies, are just following the dictates of religious clerics, who pick and choose, and paraphrase a 'holy book', and continue to brainwash their troops into a blind religious rage, that has gone beyond any sensiblilty.

And inbetween, innocent people, who just want to make the best of their lives and do their bit for the whole, are being caught in the cross-fire.

Needless deaths, all round.

Torog, you served in Vietnam - can you not see that Iraq is just another example of government lying to those brave soldiers?
You asked me if watching 'Apocolypse Now', made me see Americans as a bunch of redneck roosters. I told you then, as I am now, that I only saw the abhorrent disregard for life, exhibited by your government. I'm not attacking the soldiers, they too are just a means to an end of something that we don't (nor ever will) understand fully.

I remember watching the so-called "Shock and Awe" tactic on TV, just like millions of others...until I realised that I was viewing it like I would some kind of firework display!
I realsied that it was designed to brainwash me into some kind of childish glee at the sight of big flashes and loud bangs.

When in fact, I began to think of all those people that were alot closer to the 'action', who saw it as something completely different. :(

This war, as with all the wars that have gone before, is not about freedom, is not about regime change...it's about the greed and power dreams of a very few individuals, of which we 'small people' have to bear the cost.
Not only in monetary terms, but more importantly, in terms of a loss of humanity.

I'm not religious.
I never will be.
I view religion as another brain-wash tactic to control the masses by fear of the unknown...the unproven.

I believe that there is a higher power that we mere mortals cannot yet decipher, and if things carry on the way they are - I doubt that most of us will ever get that opportunity to see the real truth.

My heart breaks whenever I switch on the news, all I hear is glee at the death of another bunch of humans. Images show death and desperation on such a scale, that even I am becoming 'immune' to them.

Who wins?

No one.

Just my thoughts :) :( :confused:

RESiNATE...

thats the problem with tv.
hey if uwana read somtrhn interesting read Amusin Oursleves to Death by Neil Postman
u know what resinate said about becomin immune to the deaths.
its fuked up coz we are evolvin in to a "tv" culture, hard to tell the diference between reality and fiction, even i u think u can.

in wars no one wins, but i have to disagree wit u when u say its religion vs. religion
now days decisions made are mostly (if not all) for economical gain. no more. its that easy. all the usa want to have is ciontroll.
y the hell do u think to threat the usa what the ppl did was BURN their OWN oil reserves? hit the usa were it hurts the most....
btw, sinse that video of the capture...any one know what hapened to saddam? smthn bout a court....they seemed so proud puting that picture of a saddam that looks like real shit. didnt see him since, hardly heard bout him or his fate.

don know, i recomend teh book ,its a critizism on todays media, it's really hard to read but its real interestin

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but i have to disagree wit u when u say its religion vs. religion

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Err..Bob Banana....

actually, there is no point...
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Believe whatever you want to believe, it is your right.









Unfortunately.

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actually, there is no point...

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what do u mean there is no point?
that bush lieks to waste the coutries money coz he disagrees or even hates other ppl belief? as much as he doesnt care about the ppls money he just doesnt fund a war becouse his daddy couldnt do it right and hes tryin...

obviously in the long and short run, in reality there is no point, its funding the act of killin ppl, no more

but in the ppl that controlls' mind there is a point

(does any one really think that bush rules the USA? are u jokin? he is the bigest joke! the fact that such a dum man is in charge of the most powerfull nation is scary, but who think he really does anything EXCEPT giv an image?

This war is just about psychos on both sides that just want to fight so they can kill someone. I'm sure some good has come of this war but so has a lot of bad things.

If US soldiers are so brave why do they have to blow the fuck out of everything and kill civilians (and friendly troops) instead of using guns so they can maybe be a bit more discriminating about who they kill.

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If US soldiers are so brave why do they have to blow the fuck out of everything and kill civilians (and friendly troops) instead of using guns so they can maybe be a bit more discriminating about who they kill.

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Because they are trying to stay alive and the enemy look just like civilians. They call in mortar attacks from cell phones, they shoot at our troops from crowded market places and playgrounds, they even store their weapons in schools and hospitals. We do use many discriminating ways target the enemy and cut down on civilian casualties, but the media will not show you that. They will just report the air and artillery strikes that are off target. The thing is there is no way to fight a war without civilian casualties.

If anything the media is only showing the things the government wants us to see. Unless the media happen to have cameras when fighting breaks out, the only footage available is what is filmed by the military, and edited by them too.

If you need to tell the difference between civilians and enemies, look for the ones with AK-47s shooting at you.

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Originally Posted by Kombucha

If anything the media is only showing the things the government wants us to see. Unless the media happen to have cameras when fighting breaks out, the only footage available is what is filmed by the military, and edited by them too.

If you need to tell the difference between civilians and enemies, look for the ones with AK-47s shooting at you.

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It's easy for you to be a critic of their actions when you have not experienced combat. A majority of the time the enemy is not seen. Most of the time it is a guy with binoculars or a cell phone that is the enemy. Anyone who happens to be on a cell phone is SOL. People standing around a mortar team are SOL. Our troops are not intentionally targeting civilians, the enemy is using civilians as cover to make us look bad when casualties result. War is shitty buisness.

Maybe so, but phones are not formidable weapons

It almost makes me sad to be American when I see how dumb people can be. I know we have it made compared to alot of other countries but thats because we are so damn greedy. Then we get upset when another country stands up for itself, tries to protect themselves, and we bomb them and innocent people and say it was an accident. OMG.. I dont even want to get started on this subject. Im not trying to put down those of you that love America, but your all brainwashed! We are evil people. We must have it all.

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Maybe so, but phones are not formidable weapons

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A phone is a very formidable weapon when the person on it is directing mortar and artillery strikes. They are just as much a combatant as someone shooting a machinegun.

Firstly, guerilla warfare will rarely allow for the use of any kind of artillery or mortars. Secondly, how is someone on a phone supposed to direct mortars? Thirdly, the phone might look suspicious, but a fuck off cannon in the middle of the street will.

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Firstly, guerilla warfare will rarely allow for the use of any kind of artillery or mortars. Secondly, how is someone on a phone supposed to direct mortars? Thirdly, the phone might look suspicious, but a fuck off cannon in the middle of the street will.

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I respect your opinion Kombucha, but it is very clear that you don't know much about warfare or what is really going down in Iraq. The insurgents use mortars daily to attack our troops, because they can shoot from concealed positions. The person on the cellphone is talking to someone on the mortar team. He gives them target updates and corrects their fire to get it on target. It is really quite simple. For example, if rounds are landing to the right of your target tell the guys to shoot a little left and you correct their fire until they get on target. Mortars can be setup and shooting in minutes and you will not see them when they are shooting at you. Therefore you kill the guy with the phone(forward observer) as he is the eyes of the mortar team and they are shooting blind without an observer. Understand????

I would use my cell phone to help get rid of an army that I did't want in my country as well.

I'd like to pose a scenario. The leader of a country got it in their mind that the USA had weapons of mass destruction that they will use against other countries to take innocent lives. The country says USA let us into your country, into the white house and all military bases to look for these Nuclear weapons because as history has shown us (Japan and Vietnam) you have blown up and poisoned innocent civilians that had nothing to do with the war before. No says the President this is our country and we have the right to protect our freedom. The other country says fuck you we are going to invade and we will find these weapons and over throw this evil government for the sake of the people and in the process of doing this we will use our businesses to rebuild your cities. We are doing this for the good of your people they must be freed from this lying cheating government.

In such a case would the government of the USA use what ever they had to get this invading force out of the country? I think they would and they would still believe they were good and the other country was evil.

Whilst you're arguement is valid in one sense, Mrs Potatohead, there is one fundamental issue that you haven't provided for in your thesis.

President Bush (like him or not), is not mass murdering his own countrymen, just because they don't agree with his 'regime'.

Other than that, your theory holds water :D

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President Bush (like him or not), is not mass murdering his own countrymen, just because they don't agree with his 'regime'.

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Yeah I know, but is that the real reason he invaded or was it just a good excuse to invade a country that the USA has been wanting to invade for a long time? If they really where interested in the fate of humans under a dictatorship, then why don't they help people in Burma and many other people suffering under the plight of a murderous dictatorships. Look at what they did in Afgahnistan all they wanted Osama they didn't really care about the people because they didn't stick around to help rebuild the country or get rid of the masses of landmines that are stopping people from supporting themselve. They haven't left Iraq yet, not because they want to help but because they haven't got what they wanted, which is more economic control of the middle east and the oil lines.

Howdy Mrs. PotatoeHead,

Your 'theory',is entirely flawed,because America is the lone superpower of the world,and not a third-world country, we will use our wmd's responsibly-like we did in Japan.

President Bush is correct in wanting to develope and field,Robust Nuclear Earth Penetrators,as America may soon have to use either RNEP's or other strategic and tactical nuclear weapons against Iran or North Korea.

Iran,desires to nuke Israel, and North Korea desires to nuke South Korea,Japan and the United States-if need be-we will use any weapon in our arsenal,to prevent or stop,attacks against democratic countries and allies -especially,if those attacks..are nuclear,chemical or biological.

Have a good one...Torog

PS: I apologize in advance-for any horror I may cause...

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Howdy Mrs. PotatoeHead,

Your 'theory',is entirely flawed,because America is the lone superpower of the world,and not a third-world country, we will use our wmd's responsibly-like we did in Japan

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What no comments on vietnam? Japan was not responsible. They blew up hospitals and schools and generations of japanese people have suffered from different this attack. As for Isreal they are a terrosist country themselves built on war mongering with the help of the US.

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What no comments on vietnam? Japan was not responsible. They blew up hospitals and schools and generations of japanese people have suffered from different this attack. As for Isreal they are a terrosist country themselves built on war mongering with the help of the US.

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I agree with you about Israel, but with Japan it is a different story. I bet you didn't know that the Purple Hearts that our troops are recieving to this very day in Iraq, are surplus Purple Hearts made back in WW2 in preparation for the invasion of the Japanese mainland. We were estimating 1 million casualties in just the first few days of that invasion. I'd say the 2 atomic bombs were justified.

yehaw, those puppies were big aye.
imotep destroyer of worlds approves of your methods.

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I agree with you about Israel, but with Japan it is a different story. I bet you didn't know that the Purple Hearts that our troops are recieving to this very day in Iraq, are surplus Purple Hearts made back in WW2 in preparation for the invasion of the Japanese mainland. We were estimating 1 million casualties in just the first few days of that invasion. I'd say the 2 atomic bombs were justified.

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Howdy sawleaf,

I must say,I'm somewhat dissapointed that you believe that Israel is a terrorist country-that's blatantly un-true and aids the terrorist propaganda machine which is geared towards inciting anti-semetism.

Have you ever heard of a single report of a Jew going into Gaza or the West Bank,and blowing themselves up ? Have you heard of any Jews that stopped a car with a pregnant mother and her four daughters-and brutally slaughtered them all ?

Israel,is not the terrorist,for defending themselves against the terrorists.

My girlfriend is Jewish,does that make her a terrorist in your eye's ?