bear hunting is just creul...ur dogs chase em up a tree and u walk up and shoot em out of the tree...fuckin prick, why dont u climb up there and fight the fuckin thign...
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bear hunting is just creul...ur dogs chase em up a tree and u walk up and shoot em out of the tree...fuckin prick, why dont u climb up there and fight the fuckin thign...
If only those who 'needed' the food hunted, what would happen to the deer? They would over populate, strip their food supply, and die of starvation, ending their species.Quote:
Originally Posted by BobBong
Hunters are needed, like or not...Bob
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deer surivived just fine before man start shooting peices of sharp metal at high speeds at them...Quote:
Originally Posted by JunkYard
Yes, because of wolves, dryst...Quote:
Originally Posted by dryst
well...i wonder how u killed all the fuckin wovles to?...again with the guns...
either way u look at it...humans fucked it up...
U? I didn't kill the wolves, man. The people scared of them did way back when. I only hunt game animals, you know, those you can eat, and that have regulated hunting laws applied.Quote:
Originally Posted by dryst
Btw, I like guns. Guns aren't the problem...people are.
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Somewhat of a reasonable point. Although, before man came along and hunted all the predators to the brink of extinction, this problem didn't exist. I'm surrounded by mountains, most of which are parks or "open space" where hunting is not allowed. We've got a healthy deer population but never have an overpopulation problem. Most likely that's because we've also got a healthy mnt lion and coyote population. They do a great job of keeping the deer and rabbit populations down, not to mention the hiker population ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by JunkYard
But with no guns, none of these problems would exist.
Hell I'll do my hunting with a whistle and stick. The cave men did it when they first bonked a wolly mammoth on the head.
We can survive just fine without guns. They aren't needed i my opinion. :)
Sounds like a great place to live, and if the deer have natural predators, I see no reason to hunt them, ya know? Unless, like Bob said...you really 'need' to eat...Quote:
Originally Posted by Fengzi
Much Love,
Guns gave us an edge when it came to hunting, and protecting ourselves. People simply mis-used them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nochowderforyou
Guns aren't the problem, imo. People are. Everyone wants to blame something else, and deny that we [humans] are the ones who fucked up!
Don't blame the guns, blame ourselves.
That's my stand, anyway...
Much Love,
i never said guns were the problem...i said when humans use guns...thats the problem...shit wouldnt be so fuck if we didnt fuck it up...i never said u killed the wolves...humans did though :D which proves my point...
thats my whole point..people are the one fuckin everything up....whether their uses guns or not, its just a tool used to do so...Quote:
Originally Posted by JunkYard
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Originally Posted by dryst
Yup, humans fucked up, and that I will agree with...Quote:
Originally Posted by dryst
Much Love,
Agreed!Quote:
Originally Posted by dryst
Do you eat what you shoot? Use the fur as clothing?Quote:
Originally Posted by JunkYard
Or do you just chop the head off and mount it above your fireplace.
I agree that humans need to hunt, they have needed to do this for.. well.. a long time.
However.. when you've reached a point in society where you basically have farms of "food" both animal and vegetable...hunting becomes sport.. not a need.
And this "sport" is making a major difference on the entire ecosystem.
http://www.fao.org/newsroom/en/news/...251/index.html
It shows on all levels.. and until hobby hunting or "sport" hunting is banned.. we'll only make it worse.
"From my cold dead hands!" - C.Heston
Well ... If that's what it's going to take, so be it.
p.s i guess guns on an whole are overrated in my opinion, but that's for another thread.
lol must have been a mistype :D everyone know how much of that i do on the forums :D
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Originally Posted by BobBong
I don't care much for Mr. Heston, lol! But, I do support our right to bear arms. I also supprt hunting, and I alway eat what I kill. (Read my posts) And yes, I hunt also because I enjoy it. Not the killing part, but rather the part that allows me to connect with nature, and of course the bonding among fellow hunters. We have a deer camp, and about 10 of us go every year, and it's a great time.
I do mount my trophy's, and yes they're hanging on my wall. Seems a little twisted, but these trophy's are just memories/reminders of the good times I had with friends.
As for raising live stock for food, I think that's far crueler than to hunt something wild. Cows are raised for the slaughter, and veal, I don't even want to talk about that.
You don't hunt, and that's cool. I just don't enjoy being looked down upon, when I do nothing wrong, and when I actually 'help' to keep deer from killing themslves off.
I didn't czeck your link, Bob, but I will...
Much Love,
No harm done...Quote:
Originally Posted by dryst
http://www.un.org/events/tenstories_...sp?storyID=800Quote:
Originally Posted by JunkYard
Is another example of how overfishing is throwing a lot of things off all over the world.
I don't blame you for being looked down on but surely you have to understand how the other side feels. Animals are food for us. We are at the top of the food chain and it's been proven that sport hunting has destroyed countless species.
I find it kind of funny that you can shoot an animal that was born in the wild, has enough to contend with already but don't agree with raising animals specificly for food.
Look at chickens even .. we raise them, take and hard boil their children then eat them.
We do it by the millions too..
This however is what keeps us from starvation.
I simply don't see any reason for hunting a wild animal unless you have the full intentions of using that animal as food and or clothing.
Bob.
I saw a black bear in my back yard,I just stood and watched in aw... I hope we go the right road and restore all the natural predators,as Fengzi mentioned...
I killed a ground hog when I was 7 by the tutelage of my grandfather,that is when I knew I did not have the heart to kill anything...
I limit my killing for fun to varmints and pests, Iv shot people (In war) and animals...I actually feel worse when a dog gets hit by a car than a person. Im so desensitised now its not funny. I don't agree with killing non-varmint animals for fun, but hunting is great fun. I always eat the meat...hunting for me is more of a social bonding activity.
Are you against fishing for food, also? I would say the average fisherman, like me, has little effect on the eco system. At least any negative impact. It's the commercial fisherman that do the damage.Quote:
Originally Posted by BobBong
Are saying that I should be looked down on, Bob? I do understand the other side, I just disagree with their views.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob
Which is why we have laws in place to regulate what is killed. It works when people follow the rules...Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob
At least those animals in the wild have a chance, Bob. Live stock is raised to be slaughtered, for profit, and so we [consumers] don't have to do the killing ourselves. That way, we can turn a blinded eye, and eat in content.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob
When I was young, I was taken to a slaughter house, and it effected me deeply...cruel sh!t, man! I would rather kill, and eat wild animals, than to eat the beef, chicken, pork, veal, etc. that are raised, and slaughtered for the average consumer. Yes, I do eat steak, chicken, and pork, but I have a complex about it, and always feel guilty.
Yup, but it's a no better way than those of us who choose to hunt, and could even be considered worse.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob
Agreed, only I don't use the hide, I just eat the meat...Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob
Much Love,
I used to fish a lot when i could.. so no, i'm not against fishing for the simple enjoyment of fishing...maybe if the dumb creatures wouldn't swallow the hooks I would've been able to release more of them.Quote:
Originally Posted by JunkYard
That's more than likely why we differ in opinion because i was never exposed to those kinds of things as a kid. If I was, well.. i very well could and probably would feel different about it. I know now what animals go through in order to just be a T-bone on our plate or the chicken in our sandwich. It bothers me? Not really.. What bothers me more is the millions of people that starve world wide while restaurants throw food out by the kilo.
It bothers me more that the food we actually do produce ends up being wasted on levels we can hardly imagine.
Sport hunting laws MUST be followed.. and unfortunately there are people that ignore those laws.
Same with fishery laws.
Hence the overfishing.
Nobody should be looked down on for their choices but like you.. I understand that people's opinions vary. I don't blame you for being looked down on by some people because in this day and age hunting for sport is seen as just that. Sport. However, I feel that it's no longer a "sport" so much as a way of life if you're actually consuming what you're killing.
Cheers,
Happy Hunting ;)
Bob.
Cheers...
:smokin:
new page! i hate scrolling!
yay saturday morning....gun season opens for deer. Im fucking pumped. I can't believe most of you...getting all pissy about shooting deers, and how we should only kill them for food and clothing and all this shit. When I kill a deer I do eat it all...deer steaks, deer hamburgers, deer jerky....I eat it....but even if i didn't...hunting is still needed to keep the population down, It also gives me a thrill when i kill one, It's an adrenaline rush like no other, and Im still waiting to find that monster buck so i can kill him and hang him on my wall
Bear hunting isn't even a sport; it's like shooting fish in a bucket. I watch hunting shows from time to time, and people go to these places where they feed the bears. Yup, they lay out little traps, and sit in a tree above the food. When the bear comes, they get shot.Quote:
Originally Posted by dryst
That is just cruel, and serves absolutely no purpose at all. Do people actually eat bear? I don't know, but the methods used to hunt them are pathetic, imo.
At least we agree on a couple things, dryst...
Much Love,
Erm.. Deer are allowed to be hunt.. They are overpopulating the forests.. if we didnt hunt them they whould all die of starvation anyway..And now your bitching because somone killed an animal.. and probably will eat it so nothing is wasted..Put it this way.. YOU cause hundreds of deaths a year due to food.. Cows,Chicken,Turkeys etc... now stop bitching because somone is doign the area a favor by lowering the high deer population every now and then.. If it was a mother.. big deal.. They will survive.. Deers arnt solo animals
As for bear hunters..its not like they are going to go down on ground to face a bear head on and get mauled by a big mofo.. What they are doing may not be the most brave way.. but many hunters have gotten mauled by just being near a bear let alone on the ground hunting for them..
Cave men actually were able to train wolves (the beginning of the domestication of 'dogs'), and use them as an aid in hunting large animals like that. And they did have very crude axes, which were made out of sharpened rocks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nochowderforyou
Yeah, if I saw a bear in the wild, I'd freeze up, and whimper like a little puppy, lol! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Sabron
I hunt deer in a tree stand, but I don't bait them like bear hunters do. Where's the challenge in that? They come for a nice meal, and while they're eating...BANG!
I think it's pathetic...
Black bears are about as threatening as my mother in law, actually less so. As a backpacker I've had more bear encounters than I can count. I even had one walk right up to me while I was cooking dinner one day. I just turned my head and there he was, about 5 feet away. I just did what I usually did, bang some pots and pans together and yell at it. So anyone saying they need to hide in some tree to shoot black bears is fooling themselves. Big grizzleys are another story but, from what I've seen, it's usually the blacks that are being hunted.
My mother in law was a beast of a woman...hated my guts! But yeah, the grizzly's are the the ones to watch. Even so, I'm terrified of any bear, as any one of them could tear me to shreds.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fengzi
I'd prefer to not see them at all...