Philosophy of GOD

Give God the first portion of your income, say that with me,
Give God the first portion of your income. Give it first!
Not after deducts, not after the social security, and the
hospitilization, and the malnutrition. Not after all these
things on your check you say, I'm gonna give God a little what's
left. You do, and that's what you gonna get from God.
Don't put away your wallets just yet, brothers and sisters. There's somebody here I'd like all of you to meet. This is little Jonathan. Jonathan, say hello to the lovely people, (hello). Jonathan has problems. Twisted neck, tangled legs, crooked spine, but we can heal this boy. For just, uh, six thousand dollars, we can heal this boy!
Would you like to healed, little Jonathan? (yes, reverand).
You see brothers and sisters, this...(beep-beep beep-beep)
Excuse me. I told you never to page me on a sermon day. Yes? Uh-huh. Hallalujah. Outty. People, that was the lord, today only, he will heal this boy, for just five thousand dollars! Four-thousand, eight-hundred, nine-hundred, five thousand
Hallalujah, you did it brothers and sisters. Are you ready, Jonathan?
(yes, reverand) Lord Almighty, we've met your price, give me the healing power, I can feel it, Lord! Roomy loomy lama noma noomy! This boy is healed. (really?) Now to the naked eye, it would appear that this boy has not been healed, but I can assure you, this boy's spirit has been healed. Inside this tangled, mangled frame is a healed little boy. His spirit is healed, Hallalujah!

this is but a mere example of what christianity really is today

LOL

I wouldn't mistake those type of people for christians. If you did, that's where you went wrong. As far as tithes, it's a scam. Alot of religions tell their members to donate 10% of their check to their "church". Since their are so many vulnerable people out there, they take advantage of them. Tithes only applied to the jews and only when they were under the law. The same people giving the tithes are also working on Saturday, so the tithes are not worth a hill of beans.

One time I heard this preacher on tv telling this to his audience: You want God to do things for you but when you come to "church" you don't want to reach into your pockets. He continued to tell them that you have to give to God to get back from him. Another scam artist like the one in your story. :thumbsup:

Here is the true gospel: Come buy without money. And in another place: Buy the truth and sell it not.

Don't believe anyone just cause they have the title "christian". The truth is in the Word of God, not in the mouth of scammers.

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Originally Posted by Pass That Shit

MastaChronic,

For your information, the LORD revealed himself to me when I was 21. And I wasn't part of any religion at the time. So at least "they" didn't get me when I was young. When I was young, I used to cut sunday school and go shoot billiards :thumbsup:

When they tried to get me young, I ran from them. But when the work is wrought in the LORD, you can't run from him. You have no choice but to believe and follow. If the Spirit of God was not inside me, I wouldn't believe either. That's why I'm well aware that I can't convince anyone. Cause no one was able to convince me until the LORD came to me. :dance:

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FUCKING ARROGANCE. "im right, your wrong, god will come to you...."

i have a choice. this isnt cool, what your doing. there are other religons besides christianity. they say the exact same thing you are saying. you have no proof!!! some 1500 year old book and the idea of the creator of existence means absolutley NOTHING to me. i will not and can not run from whats not there dammit.

your telling me youve never run from something that isnt there? woah, total deja vu, i just had a dream i was typing this.... anyways youve never gotten paranoid off bud and started freakin out? totally different subject but still

as a scientist and one that was brought up on Darwin's theory of natural selection, there has been a tremendous amount of recent discussion about the holes in this theory. Even Darwin himself posed this in his text. I found the following link on video.google to be a very interesting look at this current debate.

Intelligent Design - Unlocking The Mysteries Of Life
... rationalist argument that the miracle of life is a "nothing but" - scientifically explained foregone conclusion. Their is "intelligence" behind the design.

Illustra Media - 1 hr 7 min - 24-Apr-2006

I don't understand? Why run from him? He's not the boogy man.

MastaC, Ever watched a scary movie and then went out and heard a noise and started running? ;)

HES NOT FUCKING THERE!!! im sayin i cant run from nothing

word, i cant run from something that doesnt exist, god is a scapegoat, that and people have to have something to thank when things go their way and something to curse when it doesnt

The bible is false. Everything in it is simply a lie. I know this because god told me.

THAT is the Word of God.

Try as hard as you want and you can't prove me right, so how can the bible be true?

The only proof that the bible was written by god is the bible itself. Therefore if I say that whatever I say is the word of god then it must be true, according to the belief that the bible is the word of god.

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who's to say a neuro-chemical change didn't come to you? You can "feel" the prescence of the lord, but then psychadelics can make you feel just about anything. In fact, the mental processes that go through our brains can convince us beyond any doubt whatsoever, that what we're feeling is genuine. Even the concept of a feeling being real or genuine is a chemical and micro-electricical reaction.
I guess I don't really expect to change your opinion on it, you can't change anybodies opinion once they devote thier minds to a belief in the supernatural, but something to think about none-the-less. At least you're one of the reasonable and intelligent believers, that's gotta count for something.

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People see a sign of "god" and they automatically assume that it is god from the bible or another religion. There is absolutely no way that they can/will comprehend the fact that it is something else. If you lived in the rain forest in Brazil and saw a sign of "god" would you accept the bible as truth? You wouldn't know of the bible so there is no possible way you would accept Jesus and the Christian god. You would believe in whatever the people of your community believed in. So how is god any more true than any other belief?

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Originally Posted by harris7

The existence of no God is much more likely than the existence of god
One should have reason if to change there belief in favor of his existence
There is no reason to change your belief
Therefore there is no god

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I have to severely disagree. There are two types of scientific ideologies that underlie science.

One view is secular: They view the universe as a product of randomness and chaos. There is nothing speical about the universe; it just is. Religion is an attempt to glorify and rationalize existance. Nothing more than mankind's nature to find a sense of security in the world.

The other view is more orthodox: The universe is a product of a mystical force. All things are not random, as every move thrusts life forward. Religion and science do NOT conflict because they both bennefit eachother. The more advances scientists make, the more they will find they have enabled the power of religion.

Science is mankind's tool, our gift, to understand and shape the world around us. Science is the Law of the Universe, ruling over all things of matter, gravity, etc. Religion is the law of morality and goodwill. It rules over the human spirit, the human condition, and human society.

You can not abolish one or the other. To do so would not only be madness, but an amputation to what makes us human.

what I said has nothing to do with science. and you really didn't disagree with me. you went of on a tangent

as well science is a method of observation, I do not know anything about these ideologies you speak about. But I disagree that these two things underlie science.

Maybe these two things underlie some sub area of science

Thank you for bringing the debate back to the basics

Ah, but I only disagreed on the concept that God can be completely understood through current rationale and scientific thinking. Maybe we can never understand completely. I grew up on science myself, and in ways that science disproves God to some, it amazed me progressively in a way that I saw glimpses to the inner workings of pure genius in the cogs that run life, nature, and the universe.

I can understand why it's difficult to understand how the two ideologies I mentioned underlie science, but they do. It's really my bad, because they have two specfic terms that define them and for the life of me I can't remember them at the moment.

At the very least I can concede that their aim specifically deals with the scope of the universe and existance itself. Whether it is random, or whether there is a life foce or "method to the madness" that sustains it.

good topic nontheless. We may not agree, but I enjoy discussions of this nature; good food for thought.

feel free to present an argument I would like that, no one has yet. and it blows.

when you speak of pure genius about the world and stuff. are you talking about intelligent design (hopes so)

so here is the argument as I see it (As an analogy)

a man is walking down the beach and sees a watch in the sand. HE looks at it sees how complex it is and can only assume that it was made by an intelligent being, ie human.

Now when someone looks at life in any form which is hundreds of times more complex than a watch and not draw the conclusion that it was also made by an intelligent being?

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Well we’ve all had some time to think. And I hope I can get this thread up and going again.

I’ve been thinking and here is a more fundamental question


How could a mortal person convince you of something impossible?
(without any miracles because apparently that’s how this all got started)
I assume no one here has witnessed water into wine.

So what could someone write to convince you of this.

Well a lot of people have said that the bible has come true on many counts.

So if I write a bunch of true statements.

-I had toast today
-It is raining in Vancouver
-It will be raining in Vancouver in 5 min
-There is an intangible being that created everything

so my first three statements were correct so ya’ll assume the last one is too?
I really don’t get it.

Honestly, I don't know why I believe in God...I just do.

It could be because I was force fed the concept of God my entire childhood? I guess it stuck, lol!

As for the water to wine...I don't think I believe that.

Much Love,

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thats the thing about beliefs. they defy the laws of physics

you can knock out all there supporting ideas. but the belief wont fall

(in general)

in general...

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