Just to PROVE how safe weed is.

There no ligitimit reasoning behind it being illegal. Infact, it is illegal for the government to illegalise it. Damnit.

You cant just go round banning plants.. That no differnt from banning water.

[Is that another bad comparison]

The point im trying to get across, is it rains. You can just ban water, cos you can ban rain. It's natural, and you cant ban a plant growing. It's natural.

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people with psychotic disorders that smoke cannabis can be harmed badly, or people with undiagnosed mental conditions, altering your state of consciousness...however mild it may be, it's not good for everyone

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The weed doesn't harm them though,they harm THEMSELVES due to their OTHER mental conditions NOT due to consumption of weed.Weed is practically HARMLESS to ANY HEALTHY normal adult.A medical journal report actually showed that people who smoke nothing but weed(no cigs) have a DECREASED chance of contracting lung cancer.Not only does it not CAUSE cancer, but it actually HELPS prevent you from getting it in the first place.

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The weed doesn't harm them though,they harm THEMSELVES due to their OTHER mental conditions NOT due to consumption of weed.Weed is practically HARMLESS to ANY HEALTHY normal adult.A medical journal report actually showed that people who smoke nothing but weed(no cigs) have a DECREASED chance of contracting lung cancer.Not only does it not CAUSE cancer, but it actually HELPS prevent you from getting it in the first place.

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Wow! Way to throw some spice into the mix...can't wait to see what comes of this.

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Did you know that one acre of hemp can produce the same amount of paper than 4 acres of trees ?

Thats a fact my fair people.

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Did you also know that hemp is one of the best and fastest renewing sources of fuel oil?You can run a car off of hemp oil(modified diesil engine)You can also use it to lubricate your engine as well as for fuel.

Too damn right, and the endo-cannabinoids kill free radicals which is something to do with cancer/ skin cancer or something along those lines, i scanned a big report on it... didnt read the whole thing. If im wrong someone please correct me on the free-radical thingymajiggybobthang.

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weed is really a killer

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What? First: I want to apologize for horning in on a way cool thread, but I just couldn't let that pass. Second: THAT IS ABSOLUTE TOTAL BULLSHIT! Okay,...okay,....I'm calm now.

I saw that too, but i didnt say anything as i presumed it was a typo. Shul smokes a ton of weed, he couldnt have said that on purpose, or at least i hope not.

Im gunner go cry myself 2 stone lighter now. :(

The government should sell cannabis seeds to citizens. This would eliminate the drug trade at least, reduce the amount of crime associated with the high costs and restricted availability of it, and the government would profit from too! Everyones happy.

Thats a REALLY good idea. Seriously, being perfectly honest i'd never have even though of sorting it all out in one big swoop like that.

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Did you also know that hemp is one of the best and fastest renewing sources of fuel oil?You can run a car off of hemp oil(modified diesil engine)You can also use it to lubricate your engine as well as for fuel.

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u can run a diesel car off chip fat oil (no engine modifications)...

Saw that on 5th Gear (UK car tv show) the other night

dude thebeancounter41, if you read everything i said i made the exact same points you did there, are you just trying to be difficult? take me out of context?

heres a better example...

i can smoke 15 blunts... and then tear 15 gnarly tubes... and i wouldnt be anything except really blazed.

or i can take 15 tylenol... and then 15 advil... and i can then kiss this wonderful world goodbye.

PEACE ALL

I dont think cannabis enjoys it's dead relatives being cremated in our pipes and blunts with the smoke going into our lungs but still cannabis is less toxic I agree and I love it :).

I know the diesel engines can be run on chip fat oil, but does it decrease the performance?

Well, tonight, im going to put half and half in my Ford Escort 55 Van. It's a 1.8diesel, and i'll come back here and tell ya if it makes a differnce to the performance.

From what i can remember the bio-diesel is only like 5% chip fat.

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I know the diesel engines can be run on chip fat oil, but does it decrease the performance?

Well, tonight, im going to put half and half in my Ford Escort 55 Van. It's a 1.8diesel, and i'll come back here and tell ya if it makes a differnce to the performance.

From what i can remember the bio-diesel is only like 5% chip fat.

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apparently it didnt decrease the performance any... the presenter even said that diesel engines were originally made to run on vegetable oil or something like that... and to think we pay more tax than anything else for fuels which are toxic to the enviroment lol

I think it'd depend on what kinf of fuel injection it is. Although itshould work, in theory. If its hot diesel injection it'd work, and if its srpay injection i'd think it would work. But as for cold diesel injection im not so sure. Like i said, i'll give it a go tonight, my fuel tank will be almost emty by the time i get home. This escort isnt very economical on fuel anymore lol

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Weed. I call it harmless. Alot of people do. To me it IS harmless.

Well, we all know its one of the safest drugs... infact, it IS the safest drug.

Well, now it just so happens i have found out it is safer than alot of things we EAT in everyday life.


Who likes potatoes?

If you eat 10+ raw potatoes you can have a toxic reaction, but if you eat 10+ kilos of weed you wont.

Meaning, weed is safer than a potato, and probably many other things we comsume on a regular basis.

some of you may have already known about the potato thing, but i didnt and thought it proves our point beyond recognition.

Weed is a harmless plant, put here to be smoked the fuck up.

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Weed messes with your memory which in turns is detrimental to your intelligence. A potato won't make you stupid.

No, its not. YOU need to do some reading on it. It doesnt effect any part of the brain that is used for learning, so it DOESNT make you stupid. But it can give you short term memory loss.

That doesnt make you stupid, and most people dont actually suffer from short term memory loss.

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No, its not. YOU need to do some reading on it. It doesnt effect any part of the brain that is used for learning, so it DOESNT make you stupid. But it can give you short term memory loss.

That doesnt make you stupid, and most people dont actually suffer from short term memory loss.

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You need mj to help you store information. It's like when you learn something new, something old must be erased to store this new memory. When you smoke mj, it helps produce a chemical that helps create new space in your brain. This means that a stoner has the potential to store more info, and generally have more space in their brain to hold all that vital knowledge out there. I have a link somewhere for this, that was just of the top of my head, i'll have a look out for it as the doc explains it better than i just tried to!

Peace

Buddy

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No, its not. YOU need to do some reading on it. It doesnt effect any part of the brain that is used for learning, so it DOESNT make you stupid. But it can give you short term memory loss.

That doesnt make you stupid, and most people dont actually suffer from short term memory loss.

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Just because you take your short-term memory (which functions IN YOUR BRAIN) for granted does not mean that people don't suffer from the loss of it. Do you have any idea how much information is stored in your short-term memory?? If you had short-term memory loss, you'd forget to meet with your dealer in the desired place. That'd probably do you a lot of suffering.

Do some research.

Edit: Also be sure to check the credibility of your research. A five year-old can put some bullshit on a website, snaz it up a little bit and viola! He has a website for fools to become confabulated from his word.

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You need mj to help you store information. It's like when you learn something new, something old must be erased to store this new memory. When you smoke mj, it helps produce a chemical that helps create new space in your brain. This means that a stoner has the potential to store more info, and generally have more space in their brain to hold all that vital knowledge out there. I have a link somewhere for this, that was just of the top of my head, i'll have a look out for it as the doc explains it better than i just tried to!

Peace

Buddy

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I can deny that claim with simple good judment. All chemicals that marijuana gives your brain and body are naturally produced in your brain. Therefore, if you do NEED marijuana it's because you've smoked too much of it and your brain sees no need to automatically produce those chemicals for you. Same goes with people who take ecstacy. It feeds you dopamine and when your brain neglects to produce it even after you've stop taking ecstacy, you fall into a deep depression. Four-to-eight hours of fun could mean eight-to-eleven years of depression.

The only benefits of marijuana is that it can help cure cancer. You're taking advantage of the plant and most importantly yourselves. I'd feel handicapped if I felt I needed a plant to keep me on my p's and q's. That's just me.

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Just because you take your short-term memory (which functions IN YOUR BRAIN) for granted does not mean that people don't suffer from the loss of it. Do you have any idea how much information is stored in your short-term memory?? If you had short-term memory loss, you'd forget to meet with your dealer in the desired place. That'd probably do you a lot of suffering.

Do some research.

Edit: Also be sure to check the credibility of your research. A five year-old can put some bullshit on a website, snaz it up a little bit and viola! He has a website for fools to become confabulated from his word.

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If you read what i wrote i put people DO suffer from short term memory loss, but not the majority. Personally i dont.

Smoking weed DOES NOT make anyone stupid. If they want to become lazy, not work, not learn and spend all their time smoking weed its their own decision, not the weed.

The way you talk about it its as though you dont smoke it.

It's all really just simple psychology. Do some reading and you'll be amazed and what you learn. I had the bad habit at believing everything I read, too. And I'm still a little skeptical on a lot of the theoretical assertions in psychology.

To put it into my own words: I don't believe God would have put us on this planet without the essential means to live productive lives without the aid of plants, drugs, stimulants, etc. Now, don't get me wrong, I believe that even on marijuana that the human brain can still function effectively, complete minor and major tasks, so on and so forth. But I'll certainly never believe (again) that it's neccesary to be high in order for an individual to perform at full potential.

Right............................................. ........

Well im comming home now so i'll post here to let you know how the chip fat goes in my van... fingers crossed it wont fuck it up or i'll be up all night bleeding it lol

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If you read what i wrote i put people DO suffer from short term memory loss, but not the majority. Personally i dont.

Smoking weed DOES NOT make anyone stupid. If they want to become lazy, not work, not learn and spend all their time smoking weed its their own decision, not the weed.

The way you talk about it its as though you dont smoke it.

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Alright, perhaps my claim was has pompus as your own. The point still remains that you're putting this plant on a pedestal and glorifying it with all your might.

Being lazy and not working aren't stupid decisions. People are lazy and don't work even if they don't get high.

But in order to learn something you've got to memorize it first, or paraphrase what you're learning. Nonetheless, your memory plays an enourmous role in human intelligence. You made an accurate presumption, though. I don't smoke it, well not as often as I used to. I also don't diversify my world into categories such as stoners and non-stoners anymore.

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I can deny that claim with simple good judment. All chemicals that marijuana gives your brain and body are naturally produced in your brain. Therefore, if you do NEED marijuana it's because you've smoked too much of it and your brain sees no need to automatically produce those chemicals for you. Same goes with people who take ecstacy. It feeds you dopamine and when your brain neglects to produce it even after you've stop taking ecstacy, you fall into a deep depression. Four-to-eight hours of fun could mean eight-to-eleven years of depression.

The only benefits of marijuana is that it can help cure cancer. You're taking advantage of the plant and most importantly yourselves. I'd feel handicapped if I felt I needed a plant to keep me on my p's and q's. That's just me.

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Very true Ganj we dont NEED it to help produce this chem, but why wouldnt you want to be able to store more information and have a greater memory? Thus bettering yourself?

Just my 2 cents

Peace

Buddy

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Very true Ganj we dont NEED it to help produce this chem, but why wouldnt you want to be able to store more information and have a greater memory? Thus bettering yourself?

Just my 2 cents

Peace

Buddy

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In other words, you're saying why wouldn't I want to be depedent on marijuana to produce these chemicals instead of allowing my brain to? It's the dependency issue, man! If marijuana were free and abundant alongside the roads and in our forests, I would have no disapproval for being dependent on the plant, but it costs! And it's not so cheap at that. It's illegal. People go to jail for having an eighth on them in Texas. There's too much baggage that goes along with getting high, but I hope that my point is clear to you that I would love to give my brain these chemicals at the cost of being dependent on it, while being high at the same time. I would love it...if it were free. But it can't be free. Either way, I'm losing something. I guess it just depends on what you value more? Your brain's natural ability or your enjoyment? And I might add that you can enjoy life without being high.

Also, I think you missed my point. It doesn't improve anything. Think of the plant as switching a particular region of your brain from auto-pilot into manual. Now in order for you to receive such chemicals you'd have to smoke marijuana, instead of having your brain do it on its own whenever something is learned, etc. And who knows? Marijuana may produce more of these chemicals than your brain does at a given time? There's only one thing, though. The memory of the human brain still remains the most mysterious process, so I suppose we won't know for sure if marijuana can enhance your ability to memorize information, thus improving your intelligence. Do some experimenting on your own. See what you discover.

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In other words, you're saying why wouldn't I want to be depedent on marijuana to produce these chemicals instead of allowing my brain to? It's the dependency issue, man! If marijuana were free and abundant alongside the roads and in our forests, I would have no disapproval for being dependent on the plant, but it costs! And it's not so cheap at that. It's illegal. People go to jail for having an eighth on them in Texas. There's too much baggage that goes along with getting high, but I hope that my point is clear to you that I would love to give my brain these chemicals at the cost of being dependent on it, while being high at the same time. I would love it...if it were free. But it can't be free. Either way, I'm losing something. I guess it just depends on what you value more? Your brain's natural ability or your enjoyment? And I might add that you can enjoy life without being high.

Also, I think you missed my point. It doesn't improve anything. Think of the plant as switching a particular region of your brain from auto-pilot into manual. Now in order for you to receive such chemicals you'd have to smoke marijuana, instead of having your brain do it on its own whenever something is learned, etc. And who knows? Marijuana may produce more of these chemicals than your brain does at a given time? There's only one thing, though. The memory of the human brain still remains the most mysterious process, so I suppose we won't know for sure if marijuana can enhance your ability to memorize information, thus improving your intelligence. Do some experimenting on your own. See what you discover.

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Some pretty harsh laws you got the Ganj. If i were caught and have been on many a occasion im always told 'to be on my way' with herb in hand. But i will take your comments on board and have a lil experiment of my own!

Peace

Buddy

You've got to be organized, though. Make sure you know what it is you're testing. You might want to take the study of biological chemistry, too. Just because scientists have discovered the function of chemicals in our brains and bodies doesn't mean that you too shouldn't discover them for yourself.

And most of all; have fun with your experiment and not just on your couch. Haha!
Harsh laws, indeed. But I see policing our nation as a fruitless task. People should learn to protect and serve themselves.

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From what i can remember the bio-diesel is only like 5% chip fat.

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Bio-diesel is 15% veggie oil.The fuel is called E-85 because it is 85% gas 15% oil.

A better alternative would be the modified engine that can burn straight veggie oil rather than the 85/15 mix.The bio diesel really doesn't help much to break our dependency on foreign oil since it STILL is mostly just gasoline.Bio diesel is no more of a fuel saving method than adding 10% ethanol to regular gas is.And most gas stations DO add up to 10% Ethanol to their gas.One chain here in Texas put 15% in their tanks and caused a crapload of engine damage to the customers cars.They had the royal SHIT sued out of them for that.Too much alcohol in a gas engine causes cylinder and valve damage.I know of 3 people who literally had to buy a new engine after tanking up with EZ-Mart's adulterated gas.

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Weed messes with your memory which in turns is detrimental to your intelligence. A potato won't make you stupid.

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the ONLY memory that weed affects is SHORT TERM memory.The type of memory used for UNIMPORTANT things like where you laid your car keys.It has NO effect on long term memory which is where important things are stored (like societies laws and your responsibilties to your family)And also stuff like math,physics and grammar.Pot is NO detriment to one's intelligence.Though from your asinine comment,I would say perhaps you have been eating too many prescription pain killers or using inhalants,since YOUR intelligence is in question due to your making that stupid comment.
Alcohol will kill more brain cells than weed could ever hope to kill.And memory loss due to weed is TEMPORARY.Brain damage from alcohol abuse IS NOT.Weed merely STUNS your brain cells a bit,alcohol actually KILLS them.And brain cells DO NOT REGROW.Once you lose 'em, they are gone for good.

You're just talking. Come back when you actually have something to say, man.

However, I agree with you that it was an 'asinine comment'.

I suppose discussing the safety of marijuana is rather fruitless task anyway. Individuals will make their assertions based on personal experience or what they've read and learned about it. If you understand how it affects you and an indiviual then I suppose that is all that matters.

Ok, back to ME.

Im home now, gunner fill the van up with some chip fat and see what happens...

Wont be long, give me 15 mins

Hmmm, not as bad as i thought, but its a little crunchy. And it seems to be smoking on tickover and never did before. I run it on light diesel anyway [Marine diesel] cos i get it for free lol! :D

But it runs, i'll see how it copes on a long trip tomorow.

cool :)

I think its a good idea though, it probably crunchy cos half my chips were still in the oil rofl!

But yeah, if it was extra re-fined i rekon it'd be fine.

yeah it seemed to work fine on 5th Gear the other night, and that was a long journey they tested it on too.

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Weed messes with your memory which in turns is detrimental to your intelligence. A potato won't make you stupid.

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if u think weed will make you stupid, then what are u doing smoking it then?

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yeah it seemed to work fine on 5th Gear the other night, and that was a long journey they tested it on too.




if u think weed will make you stupid, then what are u doing smoking it then?

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Which then links on to the question, if you think it makes you stupid why are you on this site?